Their Stockings Were HUNG

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome to Spellbound, a romantasy podcast with Deidre and Jillian. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Happy holidays, and thanks for joining us for our very merry mini episode. How you doing? [00:00:18] Speaker A: I'm doing all right. How are you doing? [00:00:20] Speaker B: Pretty good. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:21] Speaker B: Christmas has been good. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Yeah, Christmas has been good. We've been doing good. We. I'm down here in North Carolina visiting my parents, as you know, and, yeah, it's been. It's a good Christmas. Birdie is feeling a little under the weather, unfortunately. Yeah. You know, I feel like that's a common refrain on this podcast. People, like, reach out to me. They're like, what's. What's going on with BE. [00:00:44] Speaker B: I promise. [00:00:45] Speaker A: My girl is not often sick, but she. I think she pulled a muscle. I think she pulled a muscle. [00:00:50] Speaker B: I don't know. Like, I've never noticed that with Luna, so either. I. I think I'm just a bad mom, and she, you know, in pain, and I'm like, I don't know. [00:00:59] Speaker A: No. Birdie, her eyes are as big as saucers. She prefers to lay under the bed. Like, she's not really. If you. To see Birdie is to know that she's constantly playing. She's running, she's jumping, she's doing all the things, and she's doing none of that. She's not been doing that since Christmas night. And I have to say that Santa was very good to her and just got her just, like a. Just a hoard of new lamb chop toys. And I don't think that she knew where to look and what to do, and I think she overdid it, leaping and running and rolling and pulling, and I don't know if maybe we strained a muscle over her Rudolph lamp chop, but something's wrong. [00:01:41] Speaker B: Oh, my God. That's so cute, though. Yeah. She was too excited. [00:01:46] Speaker A: Too excited. So, yeah, I think we're gonna try and do an early vet run in the morning, so just to get it checked out. But how was the holidays for you? You've got a lot of little ones, and, yeah, they. [00:01:58] Speaker B: I was, like, all over the place. The oldest niece found out about Santa Claus. [00:02:05] Speaker A: Wow. Wow. [00:02:07] Speaker B: She knows. So. But she's, you know, making it work for the. For the younger ones, but there's been a lot of sickness around here, so, you know, just kind of trying to get through that. [00:02:19] Speaker A: Yeah. What's new? You know, the whole world's sick. Pretty much. The world. [00:02:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It's caroling, which is. [00:02:26] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:02:27] Speaker B: A really. It's actually, like, really fun. [00:02:30] Speaker A: I love that. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to think about some. Yeah, my brother said that he went to, they, they biked up to the, the home alone house and yesterday that was just like crazy. So anyway, I love that we went. [00:02:51] Speaker A: To go see the home house as you remember when we went to go view some lights there. And you know, I always like to see how the other, the other side lives. The one. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Oh my God, really doing it. I was reading an article, there's an article about like whatever. One of the robbers, the taller one, he's like making a sculpture of himself and like going to send it to the family like in hopes that like they'll put it out. I don't know. It is like very, very bizarre. [00:03:22] Speaker A: That's also like how full of yourself do you have to be to be like I'm of this film and it would do you just wonderful favors to put a two of me out on. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Your, your front lawn of your 5.5 million dollar house. No, thank you. [00:03:39] Speaker A: The realtors at Sotheby's are like absolutely not, not happening. [00:03:44] Speaker B: We're not gonna have this man. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Whatever non existent HOA exists up there which doesn't even exist. I think it's just shame those people. Shame each other. [00:03:54] Speaker B: Oh 100. Yeah. [00:03:56] Speaker A: They would not stand for it. They would not stand for it. [00:04:00] Speaker B: They'd be like, I don't care. Actually, can you imagine like even living on that street? Like that's just there. There's definitely like a, that's a negative for, for selling around that, around that house. Yeah. [00:04:13] Speaker A: It brings the property value down. Absolutely. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Totally. [00:04:18] Speaker A: Do you have any plans for New Year's? [00:04:20] Speaker B: I know, yeah, I think like nothing. [00:04:24] Speaker A: You know, New Year's is a holiday much like, you know, I think July 4th, sometimes even in a way, Halloween, where it's like, it's got like a lot of build up to it. It's got like a lot of hype. But there's I, it's just I'm not interested in it. When the time comes, I'm not paying. I'm not gonna get like a multi hundred dollar ticket to some hotel party somewhere, buying an outfit, getting my hair together, doing the whole thing. I' not doing it. I'm going to be sitting in the comforts of my home with some warm socks on, some magnesium lotion on my feet because I want to go to sleep. I want to dream and I'm gonna have like maybe a small glass of champagne this year and then I'm going to sleep. [00:05:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Get a little book. That's it. [00:05:05] Speaker A: A little book. That's it. And bring. I like to journal. I like to reflect on the class here. For sure, for sure. Growing and partying is just not my jam anymore. I think at most I would be able to do a house party. But nobody's doing house parties anymore. You know, it's like of a by. [00:05:20] Speaker B: On era, nobody's doing house parties. And it's like, why I like, can't believe that people are actually going out anymore. I mean, I just am. Like, I don't think I've been out on New Year's since before the pandemic. Is that possible? [00:05:34] Speaker A: It's probably been a decade for me since I've been out for New Year's. [00:05:38] Speaker B: I mean, I used to do it up. I. But not doing it anymore. I can't go to baby and get one of those body contract. [00:05:48] Speaker A: God, absolutely. And you just get burned every year. I remember back when it was like New Year's Eve 2010. I had graduated college. You know, that spring, my friend was living in New York, she was in law school, and me and another friend went up to New York. We were going to do it. Like, we bought this big ticket. Like, we took like, I think the bus up to New York City from D.C. and we were. I mean, we were just going to have a lavish New Year's. And like, we spent all day going out shopping, getting our outfits together, doing the whole thing. We get to this party, you know, probably an hour before New Year's, there's just melee outside of the front door. We get out of the cab because I don't even think Ubers are. We're really popping off. [00:06:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they were. Yeah. [00:06:36] Speaker A: We get out of the cab, we walk up to the front of the line, and lo and behold, the party does not have a liquor license. So the New York Police Department has shut, shut down this party before it can even get started. We find our way to the Applebee's in Harlem. [00:06:55] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, my God. [00:06:58] Speaker A: And sit at the counter at the Applebee's in Harlem. [00:07:04] Speaker B: And you're sitting there and you're like, what's our next move? [00:07:06] Speaker A: Oh, my God. At that point, it was just like such a deflating moment. Never refunded anybody their. Their money for the tickets. It was such a scam. And since then, since then, it's been what, almost 16 years ago? I'm like, not interested in doing the whole rigamarole. [00:07:24] Speaker B: Oh, my God, no. And I was always so afraid of. I'm like, don't. Don't you dare go down the roads out there. [00:07:30] Speaker A: Oh, it's horrible. [00:07:31] Speaker B: It's awful. [00:07:33] Speaker A: God bless. [00:07:33] Speaker B: I know. [00:07:36] Speaker A: Awful. All right, well, that's it for me. [00:07:41] Speaker B: Do you think we should get into a little. Hear you. Hear you. [00:07:43] Speaker A: I always think that we should get into a little curie here. Y. Okay, number one, we're not going to dedicate this episode to it because obviously there's plenty of time that we can dedicate to it. But are you watching Heated Rivalry, and if not, what are you doing? 1. Number two, what have you seen about the show and what are you looking most forward to? [00:08:06] Speaker B: I mean. I mean, I'm looking forward to the whole thing. I've only heard good things about it. And I mean, you know, it's the kind of romance I want to see. [00:08:17] Speaker A: So many other straight women across God's united. [00:08:20] Speaker B: Oh, my God. God are like, this is the romance of my dreams. And, like, so every. Every time I pull up hbo, I'm like, oh, my God, I need to see it. I need to see it. But obviously I can't watch with my parents, so, you know, that's just. That's not a family show. [00:08:37] Speaker A: It's not a family watch, I can guarantee you. I think I was telling you in a separate conversation. I was like, but, you know, my mom and I wanted to. Want to. Wanted to watch it together. And I was like, yeah, we'll watch it. I did not start it with my mom because I knew she had so many other things going on that I was like, I really need to start this. I'm just gonna go ahead and it. But I got through the first episode. I was like, you know, me and my mom, we are girls. We are thick. We do not need to be sitting here watching this together. You know what I said, you know, watch it, girl, and get back to me. We'll talk about it at another time. But maybe we enjoy the fruits of this labor on our own. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Because, like, having that, like, just in the back, your mind being like, oh, my God, what is, you know, the other person thinking like that just takes. [00:09:26] Speaker A: Away from it, you know, My mom, though, I know I would look over at her and she would just be like, grinning ear to ear because she's like, yeah, good for them. I love to see it. It's a fantastic show so far. I'm very entertained. I have talked to a couple of other straight girlfriends of mine, one of whom really told me how this has just ignited a long dormant, like, just sexual excitement in her that she's just not had in a Very long time. Like, she's just so turned on by what's going on in the show. And I'm like, you know what, girl? I love, I love that for you. [00:10:07] Speaker B: And I love that for her. [00:10:09] Speaker A: Huh? She's like, I am into myself, I am treating myself, I am doing the whole thing. Just because she'll watch the show, she'll be so turned on. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Oh my God. Good. Yeah. I bet you straight women are like dying. [00:10:23] Speaker A: No, it's crazy. It's crazy. We will have to talk about it once, like, you watch it once. We both like, get through the show. But I find the dynamics to be so interesting between both of the characters. And like, it's not even like a straightforward, like boy meets boy, falls in love with boy, they're together all the time. It's such a like fairy tale romance. It's very much like through the years, this somewhat situationship between these two men who like, can't reveal that they're gay and like they have this attraction and this like, we'll see each other when we see each other on the road type of situation. Sexual. But also there's feelings there that they have with each other. But there's such a respect for one another. Like, even if they are not like defining the relationship, there is like a mutual, like, I like you, you like me, we get each other and I'm not going to like, ghost you about. Years are going by in this show. It's over that like, it starts in 2008. Right now I'm in like 2015 and they're still at it with the sex thing and like sleeping others with each other when they see each other like out like during road games during the season. And it's such a, like, you know, I'm like, shit, if you're going to have like a casual relationship with somebody, at least just like be respectful about it. You know what I mean? Like, Right. It's just another way of like showing what's possible even if you're in a casual situation. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Another way of like what straight women are not getting. [00:12:00] Speaker A: They're not getting it because you. The first time a straight woman had sex with that guy, she'd never hear from him again. He would never talk to her. She would probably be in love with him, text him. He'd ghost her, he'd breadcrumb her. It would just be a whole thing. And I know know this because I lived through the early 2000 and tens and that was nice. [00:12:21] Speaker B: 100. Yep. Oh my God. I know. I was that girl in 2008. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Oh, so bad. So bad. Now I watch it and I'm like, you know what? Good for them. At least, you know, somebody's having fun getting their back blown out and then getting a text afterwards. God bless. [00:12:38] Speaker B: God bless. Oh, my God, I am, like, so jealous right now. And I want to see this right now. [00:12:46] Speaker A: Rest me. Yeah, Once. Once we get through this this season, we'll have to formulate an episode that we can do, bringing in some guest hosts to kind of have the conversation with, because I think it'd be great. Okay. Also, in other Hear you, hear you news. [00:13:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:04] Speaker A: The British Book Awards will be recognizing romantic fiction for the first time next year. Give it up. Yeah. [00:13:13] Speaker B: Yes. [00:13:14] Speaker A: This is long overdue. This news was in a recent editorial in the Guardian, and interestingly, it mentions that none of the romance writers. They mentioned a number of romance writers in this editorial, but they say that none of the ones they mention claim literary prowess, saying, with one writer, last name Trollope, saying that she's no lyrical stylist and wouldn't describe her novels as quote, unquote, intellectuals, but instead she wants to provide comfort and entertain and to cheer people up. So these, like, writers are like, listen, I know that we're not necessarily going to be in the halls of legends and greats, literary legends and great. But we're here to, like, provide an escape and a form of entertainment and joy for people, which they're doing a fantastic job. Fantastic job, sweetheart. No, no. 10 out of 10. [00:14:06] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. Incredible. [00:14:09] Speaker A: It's important to know that fiction sales are struggling, but the sales of romantic novels have soared since 20 alongside online communities like Booktok, which have also given rise to the popularity of Romanasy. And so this editorial in the Guardian ends by saying, quote, without romantic fiction, the book world would be much poorer in every sense. No wonder it is being taken seriously at last. So there you go. Shout out to romantic fiction. [00:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Really, really doing well. Yeah. [00:14:41] Speaker A: It also. And finally, for the Hear ye, hear. Yeah. The girls are fighting. Which girls? The tribes. They're fighting. Oh, are they fighting? [00:14:53] Speaker B: Yes. [00:14:55] Speaker A: So there's an article in Vanity Fair earlier this month titled Tradwife vs Trad Wife. Even Christians have had enough of Ballerina Farm, which, I don't know. Have you heard of Ballerina Farm? [00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah, like the crazy tradwife, like, Mormon or something. [00:15:08] Speaker A: Or like, she is, like, setting the standard for, like, what Christian tradwives like baking sourdough in your farmhouse kitchen looks like. Right. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Mormon Martha or something. [00:15:19] Speaker A: Yeah, something of that sort. I have not made my Way over to that side of the dark web. But I know plenty of women have God bless to them. But the good news is you don't have to be barefoot and pregnant to be seen as good in the eyes of the Lord. Have you heard that? [00:15:35] Speaker B: I have not heard that. I've only heard the opposite. [00:15:38] Speaker A: I'm here to tell you that you are doing just fine, girl. You are doing this. So essentially many conservative women who have bought into this idea of how Christian women are supposed to live, I. E. Dutiful wife, stay at home, mom making sourdough from scratch in a multi million dollar home so clean you eat off the floor, are waking up to the reality that it's not as realistic as some of the big influencers have made it seem. Which I, I'm hip to that I knew like duh. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. Oh my God. [00:16:11] Speaker A: It's not as easy, it's not as affordable or easy to attain the average middle class American family. And they've been taking advice from these trad wife influencers who tell them to stay at home while, while they themselves have married wealthy. So it's important to note that Hannah Needleman, Ballerina Farm, the main character farm is married to the son of the founder of JetBlue Airways. [00:16:34] Speaker B: Oh my God. Oh my. [00:16:36] Speaker A: Rolling in money. Like I'm sorry, we are not the same. [00:16:40] Speaker B: Yeah, and she's not even doing any of the trad white. Like they have people to do that for them. Yeah, exactly. [00:16:46] Speaker A: And a lot of these trad wife influencers are making millions based on their own social media following. So they're like giving all of this financial and lifestyle advice to all of these women who are living a life where, I'm sorry, it just requires two. Where it's just like as hard as their husband works, they're not going to be living in this multi million dollar mansion, you know, so what, what have you. And so seems like there's a crack in the facade and many of these women are waking up to the idea that you can be a good Christian woman while also being financially aware and secure. One ex Mormon video blogger in this article has a Tagline on her YouTube channel that reads a man is not a freaking plan. And to that we say amen sir. Welcome. Welcome to the movement. Welcome to the movement. [00:17:35] Speaker B: Our Lord's prayer. Seriously. Oh my God, let us rejoice and delight in it. [00:17:40] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? Get your money, don't let that money make you. And so hopefully this is a sign of good things to come. I just wanted to mention this because if anybody's out there and they're thinking about becoming a triath wife or they're idealizing that life, don't go to the dark side. [00:17:58] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I can be me. I can, I can make my own sugar and I can be my own daddy, basically. [00:18:07] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:18:08] Speaker B: That sugar daddy song, I know, it's so good. [00:18:10] Speaker A: I love that. I love that. But yeah, that's a little bit of, you know, what's going on in the world at large. So I hope you feel a little bit more informed. [00:18:18] Speaker B: I do feel a little bit more. I felt like a little bit out of the loop since it's like the holidays and now I'm like, okay, you're. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Like, what's going on with those trap lives? [00:18:29] Speaker B: What did I put up to? [00:18:31] Speaker A: What's the latest? [00:18:34] Speaker B: Just so wild. Yeah. [00:18:37] Speaker A: So crazy. All right, well, let's get into the reason for this season, shall we? [00:18:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Little mistletoe and melee, as I like to call it. What wildly unrealistic small town holiday romances did we cozy up by the fire with this week? [00:18:55] Speaker B: So I am going to be presenting A Merry Little Xmas, a little picture show on that came out on Netflix and it stars Cher Horowitz all grown up, Alicia Silverstone and Goldie's son Oliver Hudson and Jamila Jamel, who I haven't seen like a ton of stuff from. But she was good in this. [00:19:20] Speaker A: She was okay. She was also in another romantic comedy on Netflix I saw recently and I can't really remember the title of it, but it was cute. It was about these two people that met on a plane, both on their way to London for one reason. And she just plays like the role of fate, essentially. So she's like everywhere that they are and she plays different characters and it's one of those things where like the characters see her and they're like, did we see you earlier? Like recognize her? But she's playing like she plays a flight attendant and she plays like, you know, a hot dog vendor or something. Like she's everywhere. She's. It's one of those kind of things. [00:19:59] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:20:00] Speaker A: We'll have to watch that at some. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Point and talk about, yeah, that's a Christmas movie. Or that's just a, like, yeah, just. [00:20:06] Speaker A: A regular run of the mill romance. [00:20:11] Speaker B: So these are so share horror. We have Goldie's done and then we also have Sabrina from Sabrina the Teenage Witch Militia. Militia. Melissa Joan Hart comes back to life. So to give you a sense of what this is all about, I'm Gonna do a little trailer voiceover for this, for the. For the movie. [00:20:32] Speaker A: So we're gonna queue up a little music too. [00:20:35] Speaker B: The. [00:20:35] Speaker A: Like, really. [00:20:38] Speaker B: Okay, ready? In a world where knees crack when you stand up, therapy is a personality. And Christmas starts in October. A millennial icon returns. Alicia Silverstone. Still glowing now, basically, Cher Horowitz with boundaries and a very strong opinion about oat milk. She survived the 90s. She survived aim. She will not survive her ex. Enter Oliver Hudson. Charming, unprocessed, emotionally stuck in 2002. This, this Christmas, it's not about love. It's about who healed better. Passive aggressive compliments. One wine glass that never empties and a family dinner that goes nuclear. A marriage. Very little Xmas. Some gifts should stay unopened. Some X's should stay blocked. Rated PG13 for emotional damage and millennial nostalgia. I can't even. [00:21:42] Speaker A: I love that. We're going to see it. We're going to go see it. Two thumbs up. Fantastic. [00:21:48] Speaker B: Two thumbs up. Two thumbs up. [00:21:51] Speaker A: Two of them. Exactly. Wonderful. Well, I love that. That sounds like a great film that I'd like to. To see. [00:21:59] Speaker B: I mean, it was. Okay. What did you think about it? [00:22:03] Speaker A: I. It was a. It was an entertaining movie. I found it was a nice way to pass the time. [00:22:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Would I revisit this film? Unlikely. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, I. Yeah, I feel like the same. It was like a comfy, comfy watch, but it was not a return. Yeah. To send her. [00:22:22] Speaker A: It's so interesting because. Okay, so the main characters, as you mentioned, we have Alicia Silverstone, and we've got Oliver Hudson. I don't know that I appreciated them either as individuals, nor did I feel like they had a lot of chemistry. [00:22:36] Speaker B: No, no, I don't feel like that. Although I will say that that sweet little, like, you know, that sledding scene where she gets hurt, that was like, very sweet. So basically, it's like this. You know, they're getting divorced and they're still trying to, like, have a crazy Christmas for their kids. And then, of course, he is. He's dating Jamila Jamil, and there's like, all chaos that comes out of that. [00:23:06] Speaker A: You know, I just felt like between the two characters, there was never any enough tension between them. Like what? I would have liked the movie starting and they were, like, contentious, like, heartbroken people that, like, still yearned for each other, but they realized that, like, getting a divorce was probably the best decision, but that's not what it was. It was like two people who, from the very beginning, you know, are still in love with each other. They're just making a very logical decision to separate because it just feels like they're not able to spend as much time with each other anymore. And like, to me, that just made it a little bit boring. What I would have liked is for them to be actually, like, go like a little bit of a lovers to enemies to lovers story. Like, that would have been a lot more interesting to me, like, if. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:52] Speaker A: If things were just contentious between them and even if, like, Jamila played a little bit more of a villainous character, like, because what was going on in this film was everybody was friends all the time. [00:24:03] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:24:04] Speaker A: So it just like, felt very boring where it felt like you just wanted to feel some, like, yearning and regret between Alicia Silverstone and Oliver Hudson to be like, yes, get back together. You guys should have never decided to separate or get divorced. But that's not what's happening. [00:24:20] Speaker B: You know, who did. [00:24:20] Speaker A: You know what movie did a really. [00:24:22] Speaker B: Good job of that? The Parent Trap. I mean, that's. Yes. Like, why couldn't Jamila or be like her and just a terrible, terrible girlfriend who's like. Like, obviously just like. Like Jim Jamila in this was like, talking about how Oliver Hudson. Clooney. Which I agree. But so that, like, I feel like that would. They. They could have done so much with that. But no, it was like, okay, let's. Let's talk with ourselves. Therapy speak. I feel this. I feel that. You know, and then it was like, there was never really any tension. [00:25:00] Speaker A: No, there was no tension at all. And I also just did not think that Alicia Silverstone was very convincing as this, like, granola. Crunchy green. Like Mom. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Like, I. [00:25:12] Speaker A: You know, because the beginning of the movie says that she started off at an architecture firm. Never was it mentioned that she was focused on conservation. Like, that just kind of of comes in later and you're like, oh, she got like, really great focus on the environment. She's not really set up that way. Yeah. And yeah, it just made it. Her character was a little bit strange to me. [00:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It didn't. It wasn't like. Just wasn't well formed, you know, and like, even her job, it was like, wait, I don't like the it. None of it was very, well, like, it was like, okay, the town is called Winter Light or something. But, like, I didn't have like, a very good idea of who lived in the town, you know, what kind of town it was. So a lot of it was just like. It was just like. It kind of like, was a splatter against a wall. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah. It was like just whatever sticks. Like, you went from being at this, like, top notch architecture firm, you meet this, like, hotshot med school student who like you away to the. To some small town in the mountains so he can be a local, like, witch doctor, and you. You give up your dream. Yeah. And you're like a handyman. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. And. And also they have like this giant mansion of a house. Like, I didn't. That didn't make sense to me at all. It was like, it was like, oh, God, I'm moving back to Boston because I don't want to be a small town woman anymore. But I own the White House. [00:26:40] Speaker A: I own the White House. I've also lived here for 20 years. [00:26:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It's not like she can, like, just hop back to her old friends. Like, it's crazy, but they were trying. [00:26:50] Speaker A: To set it up that way at the end that she was just gonna go back to her old life. And it's like, that's not how this works. [00:26:56] Speaker B: It's not how it works. I will tell you. So, yeah, I mean, they were dumb, but, like, I was rooting for them until Oliver Hudson basically told her, thanked her for. I know. You know, I. I mean, I remember seeing the scene and being like, oh, my God, she's gonna die. Like, I almost thought about texting you and being like, I don't think we should do this one. Like, so basically when Everett Albert Hudson character says to her, thank you so much. You have made me be a better husband and a possible father. Like, better father for my next kid. I hated it so much. [00:27:39] Speaker A: The movie should have turned into a straight up horror, like, slasher film at that moment. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Oh, I know. She really, like, I feel like she didn't crash out enough. Like, she just should have lost it. [00:27:54] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, she crushed a gingerbread house in response, but that. That wasn't doing enough. Let me just tell you another thing that I was thinking about. Absolutely loved that Oliver Hudson's character was raised by two gay dads. Now, my thing with this is the whole time I'm sitting there thinking, how is this town accepting of not only a gay couple, but an interracial male cup. Gay couple back in the. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right. Like, they're not living in weather like New York or whatever the hell it was. Yeah. [00:28:34] Speaker A: I'm like, listen, I can stret. I could stretch reality only, but so much. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Yeah, totally, totally. And the fact that they use that as, like, his trauma, though, I Don't know. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Excellent. [00:28:52] Speaker B: A blessed man. What are you talking about? That you're using that as trauma. Is that why you were a bad husband? Well, he also. [00:29:00] Speaker A: Here's the thing. I'm sitting there watching. I'm like. I actually really like this setup. You. Our own lives. Waves. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. Perfect. [00:29:09] Speaker A: I don't need to see you all the time. You don't need to see me all the time. And we get to. When we come together, we're excited to see each other. What's going on? [00:29:16] Speaker B: Move to Boston. [00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:17] Speaker B: Seriously, like, what was the problem? [00:29:21] Speaker A: I was not saying it whatsoever at all. Okay, so gay dads loved them as side characters. We also need to talk about Melissa Joan Harp. You mentioned that. Because I was like, not Clarissa in here explaining it all. All. [00:29:36] Speaker B: Not Clarissa X Men at all. Or Sabrina. I mean, I swear to God. And then I was like, she's a kook now. Like, she is, like, a Republican kook, I think. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Oh. [00:29:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She, like. And then. And then she voted for, like, a libertarian candidate in 2016. I'm not sure if she's a Trumper, but she is, like, absolutely a kook. Yeah. Like. And she was in some great. Drive Me Crazy. Great film. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Excellent film. [00:30:05] Speaker B: Great film. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Excellent film. Wonderful soundtrack. If. If for nothing but Britney Spears, you Drive Me Crazy is on that soundtrack. Excellent. That's. [00:30:14] Speaker B: I mean, that's the best. Yeah. Yeah. But she. I was like. I. She, like. I guess she did, like, something maybe for tlc. It was, like, about her wedding, like, in, like, you know, her wedding in Italy. She did some, you know, documentary thing. And then she did something for Huggies where she, like, documented her son being potty trained. Like, I don't know what. She was, like, going all over the place. She was like, maybe trying to do Real Housewife, maybe trying to do Trad Wife. I mean, it was just. And now she's ended up as a Trumper. [00:30:47] Speaker A: What? You hate to see it in a supporting role. Alicia Silverstone's worst work. [00:30:55] Speaker B: And Alicia Silverstone is the exact opposite. Like, I think she kind of has gone into the whole crunchy granola. Like, she. Her. Her home in LA is like, has solar panels and all that stuff. But so I don't know how those two got along. [00:31:10] Speaker A: Her son's name is Bear Number One. So, I mean, you already know, right? [00:31:14] Speaker B: You've already know. [00:31:15] Speaker A: You already know. And then also, I mean, God bless the house with solar panels. As someone who has just gone through the home purchasing process, there is nothing worse. You can put on your home than some solar panels. [00:31:23] Speaker B: I know. [00:31:25] Speaker A: Talk about the home value going down. [00:31:28] Speaker B: And it's like, it's. It's not like she's making a bunch of money over here doing a married little. [00:31:33] Speaker A: You know. One thing I did while I was watching this, I looked up because I couldn't believe I was like, well, obviously Alicia Silverstone is older than Melissa Joan Hart for whatever reason. I thought that in my mind. But they're like, both. All three of them. Oliver, Alicia, and Melissa are born in 1976. [00:31:51] Speaker B: Shut up. [00:31:52] Speaker A: All of them. [00:31:54] Speaker B: Oh, my God. So they're like, directly in Gen X. [00:31:57] Speaker A: Yes. Correct. [00:31:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:59] Speaker A: I. [00:32:00] Speaker B: Okay. I thought Cher was younger than. Than all of them. [00:32:03] Speaker A: Really? Yeah. I think the reason for me is that, like, I feel like I always saw Alicia Silverstone is, like, I don't know, 18 years old. 18, 18. And, like, when I would see Melissa Joan Hart, like, especially when I watch, like, Clarissa Explains it All. She was always, like, 14 years old. So I just kind of. I don't know, for whatever reason in my mind. [00:32:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Like, share. Seemed like the older cool one. Yeah, yeah, whatever. That's kind of what I had in my mind. [00:32:32] Speaker B: It's so trippy because now, I mean, I'm. I love these movies, but then now it's like. It's also reminds me, like, okay, I am this old. You know, I am the age where like. Like, actors are coming back after having their kids. You know what I mean? Like, after having, like, left and then have their kids. Their kids are teenagers, and then they're coming back to act. And I'm that age now. [00:32:57] Speaker A: I know. And it's rough to see because you're like, I know. I don't look like this. What's going on? [00:33:01] Speaker B: I mean, God love Alicia Silverstone, but, like, I don't. I don't know. I mean, a little bit of Chris. [00:33:08] Speaker A: White strips would have been. [00:33:09] Speaker B: Would have been a lot. [00:33:10] Speaker A: Totally, totally. The lighting. I'm just gonna put it on. The lighting. The lighting in this film's not, like, not winning any awards. And God bless, because I even feel that way because I like Oliver Hudson. Oliver Hudson is my white man. I'll put him up in there. I'll put him in my white man portfolio. [00:33:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:27] Speaker A: But this film was not. He didn't look his best in this, to me. [00:33:31] Speaker B: Did not look his best. Yeah. When I know, like, he has. He has aged well, so he's looking good. But he. Yeah. There was something about the lighting that was not. [00:33:41] Speaker A: It was not doing anyone any favors. You Know who we need to talk about in this film also, the Armie Hammer look alike. [00:33:51] Speaker B: Chad. [00:33:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Is he, do you think he looked like Army Hammer? [00:33:55] Speaker A: I absolutely do. And this is like the second thing I've seen him in and I can't get into him for two reasons. Number one, he qualifies as a man. To me that is so gorgeous. That like just, I, that's just not my, that's not my bag. And also, yeah, he has like something about his face that looks like Armie Hammer. [00:34:17] Speaker B: Okay. I did not see Army Hammer. I definitely got the like. Okay, he's like too good looking. Like that's just like there's no imperfections about him. But, but he was pretty good in this. He was. [00:34:29] Speaker A: He offered like good comedic, you know, support. Like he just played like the dump foil to Oliver Hudson's like, you know, I'm trying to still pursue my, my wife who I've not fully divorced myself from. Let's see. Yeah. I mean, you know, I feel like. Was this a happy ending? Sure. [00:34:54] Speaker B: Oh, see, I didn't think, I, I don't know if we talked about this, but the whole. I think we did the whole. That like she's gonna go back to the big city, you know, and she's gonna go back to her job. And then every movie ends with the big city girl giving it all up for the small town. [00:35:14] Speaker A: 100. 100, yes. [00:35:17] Speaker B: So I, I mean I hated that she was like so excited the whole movie to talk about moving back to the city and then it was like, oh wait, no, they, they actually really like me and need me to fix their toilet here. Do you know what I mean? Like, it was just bad. [00:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah, no, absolutely, that's bad. I think in the name of what everybody focuses on and prioritizes, which is romantic love. It was absolutely a good. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. [00:35:46] Speaker A: But in the name of feminism. [00:35:48] Speaker B: In the name of feminism, the game of billions non centering men. Then it's not. No, it wasn't my favorite. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I just was like, whatever, I don't care. You knew she was not going to sign those divorce papers and. [00:36:01] Speaker B: I know, I know. I just wish it would be like it like she did move to Boston and then like either he moved with her, that would be ideal. Or, or it was like they lived separately and it was like, okay, living apart together sounds good. [00:36:17] Speaker A: They couldn't like just move to, to Boston. He just take clients over the phone. [00:36:27] Speaker B: He's not really doing much anyway. [00:36:29] Speaker A: Like, can't he do like telehealth? [00:36:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, there were people in Boston, like, he could be a doctor in Boston. [00:36:37] Speaker A: But he also learned that he couldn't hack it as a doctor in Boston. [00:36:42] Speaker B: I know. I mean, probably. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Probably small town. He's basically bartering medical service for, like, pigs. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, I don't know. That would not work. [00:36:53] Speaker A: It's giving the Walton. It's giving Little House on the Prairie. And I. [00:37:00] Speaker B: No, I don't like it. I don't like it for sure. Honestly, I thought, huh, Is he even a certified doctor? [00:37:08] Speaker A: I mean, if you think about it, like, who's checking on him? [00:37:11] Speaker B: I don't know. No one. There's no, like, JCO coming. And like, like joint commission. We're gonna check on you. [00:37:17] Speaker A: No. Yeah, he's not kept his certifications up. [00:37:21] Speaker B: It's like, who was the patient of his was like, like some real estate agent. You know, they're basically. He's got like 70 patients and they all live in a town. Yeah. [00:37:32] Speaker A: And then he wants at the end of the film to go, I know I work seven days a week, but for you, I'll only work six. [00:37:38] Speaker B: And it's like, what are you talking about? Like, you don't even have enough patience to do that. [00:37:43] Speaker A: And she's like, I'm on call all day, all night. Somebody's AC goes out, I'm on it. Oh, and hey, by the way, I am a top notch architecture leader in architecture, but I kill it with a wrench. [00:37:58] Speaker B: But yeah, I am willing to stay here with you while you take care of your patients. [00:38:04] Speaker A: God, yeah. I hate to see it for Alicia. She's got these kids who don't really want to do anything. Her son wants to be a firefighter. God bless. I mean, you know, love to our. Our first responders, but the daughter is in Oxford and she's fallen in love with some Harry Potter cosplay. Obsessive. [00:38:23] Speaker B: He actually was kind of funny. Jamila and. And Nigel, like, their British thing. Like, they had a funny dynamic. [00:38:30] Speaker A: But I kind of wondered if it would be the two of them at the end. [00:38:33] Speaker B: Me too. Yeah, I know, but I know it was sad. The kids didn't even, like, they were like, never wanted to do things with her. She was so sad. [00:38:44] Speaker A: Really sad. Yeah. But, you know, okay, all in all, I was gonna ask this question at the end. We can do it once we talk about both films, but for you, was this a sleigh or an A? [00:38:59] Speaker B: God, it was a nay. It was. I mean, okay, if you're thinking about all movies everywhere, it's a double Nay, but if it. In terms of like Christmas movies, Christmas movies was. It was sweet and, like comforting and it would. I would say it was not a sleigh, but not an A. Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean? [00:39:23] Speaker A: I see you. I value you. Thank you so much for your time this holiday season. [00:39:27] Speaker B: I love the Slayer. Nay, question. That's great. [00:39:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what it is. Okay, well, I could tell you a little bit about the other film that we watch. Please, please go. We also watched the absolute classic Christmas film, the Merry Gentleman Original released in 2024. This gem stars millennial heartthrob Chad Michael Murray, along with Chad Michael Murray's chiseled chest and Chad Michael Murray's perfectly coiffed hair. Just so. Just a fantastic one man band in here. No, we're just kidding. It also stars Britt Robertson with appearances by Marla Sokoloff of Full House fame. I forgot all about Marla. She was like the perfect mean girl on Full House. House. [00:40:13] Speaker B: Okay, she was on Full House, but she was in something else too. Like one of the 90s rom coms, I can't remember, but she was a mean girl in that too. [00:40:20] Speaker A: Oh, she plays a mean girl really well. She just does fantastically. And then also, this is a deep cut, but it also stars Maxwell Caulfield, who starred in our beloved Grease 2 film, Michelle Pfeiffer. And you know, as soon as I wrote that down, I was like, I need a cool, A cool rider. If he's cool enough, he can burn it through and through. [00:40:48] Speaker B: Which is. [00:40:49] Speaker A: Yes. Which is absolutely the most appropriate lyrics for an 8 year old girl to know and to sing. I was obsessed with that film. I would come home in third grade and pop it in the VHS and be like, let's rock and roll. Oh my God. [00:41:07] Speaker B: I don't think I ever got into Greece too. [00:41:10] Speaker A: I. I don't know why I was so into Greece too. I loved Greece. But then I got like Grease 2 on the VHS and I was like, I think I just like, I really like some of the songs. I thought Michelle Pfeiffer was cool. Like I was just very into it. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:23] Speaker A: So anyway, great to see him, although he's 70 something years old. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Was he. What was. [00:41:28] Speaker A: He was the older stripper. [00:41:31] Speaker B: The older stripper. Oh, my God. Okay, okay, yeah, okay. [00:41:37] Speaker A: But you know, I don't need to run it down for you. I'm going to give you just a little. All right, we're gonna cue the music. Here we go. For 12 years, Ashley Davis stayed away she left Sycamore Creek for Broadway, for Christmas lights, for applause, until she was replaced. Christmas brought her home, back to the rhythm room, back to $30,000 in debt, and back to the town that remembers everything. She has an idea. A Christmas review. All men, all muscle, all merry. The shows sell out. The town watches closer, and in the chaos, she finds herself falling in love with someone very, very handy. Mead calls her back, but Sycamore Creek isn't finished with her yet. This Christmas, coming home was the riskiest move of all. What a horror film. [00:42:48] Speaker B: What a horror. God, it was. Am I honestly, it kind of was. [00:42:54] Speaker A: Okay. Overall, what were your thoughts on this one? [00:42:57] Speaker B: Overall, I liked it as something to, like, laugh about. You know, it's like sort of like a. It was like a parody, you know, like a parody film. And so that it was really fun in that respect. Is it a serious picture film? No, no, not by any means. [00:43:17] Speaker A: Oh, not a serious picture film. Have to worry a bit about the budget of this film as well. But it was something that was so absurd that it made for entertaining. Watch. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:29] Speaker A: And you have to think that the people who signed up to do it also knew that it was an absurd thing to. To film and in order to do it. In terms of the characters in this film, I have to say did not like the main female character in this. Annoyed the hell out of me. [00:43:47] Speaker B: I know. She. She was really whiny. I know. [00:43:50] Speaker A: Very whiny. Terrible wig. [00:43:53] Speaker B: Awful wig. Awful. I mean, I mean, it was like it didn't. It like, it looked like it was a wig from like 1975. I mean, there was like. No, it. [00:44:03] Speaker A: You. [00:44:04] Speaker B: You knew the minute you saw her that she was wearing a wig. [00:44:07] Speaker A: Yeah. You're just like, oh, no, I hate it. No. No wonder you were on the. The off brand Rockette sets. [00:44:13] Speaker B: I know, I know, I know. That was like, also not believable at all. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Oh, God. Because she was shorter than all the other dancers. I was like, she's a foot shorter than all the other girls. And also, what was so crazy, this film. I was like talking to the screen because I couldn't believe it. Because there is a. There is a part of this movie where she's conflicted. She gets laid off from her job as a jingle bell, which is this movie, like rocket deaths. And she's been in their production for 12 years. So she's been a lifelong dancer. It's always been her dream to be a jingle bell. She was a Jingle Bell for 12 years until she got let go. Right. Whole thing where, like, she gets called back to her old job, and she's like, I'm gonna take it. And she's like, it's been my dream to be a jingle bell. And I'm like, you've been a jingle bell for two years. Right. [00:45:04] Speaker B: And it's also like, it's not like, you know, they were like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm being replaced by a, like, a younger woman. It's like, it's kind of an industry where that happens. Like, you can't be a rocket when you're 75. I mean, so it was like. It was almost like. It was like a. Oh, my God. Can you believe this? And it's like, yes, I can, girl. [00:45:29] Speaker A: Like, take your act back to Sycamore Creek. We don't have time for this. Jesus. Wrap it up. Okay. Then our girl goes to Sycamore Creek, and she runs into the town handyman. This is like a grown Sycamore Creek. Yeah. And she runs into the local handyman, Chad Michael Murray. Now, Chad Michael Murray is interesting to me because as a millennial girly who, you know, we were very much teenagers at the height of Chad Michael Murray's fame. He, too, has always been somebody who. I'm like, he's too pretty. [00:46:08] Speaker B: Yeah. No, way too pretty. [00:46:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:11] Speaker B: Plus, he's blonde. I mean, there were so many things working against him, you know, hard for me. [00:46:16] Speaker A: And I don't know if I'm loving this, like, longer hair that he's rocking. [00:46:22] Speaker B: I'm definitely not loving the longer hair. Also, when you. If you were to hear his accent completely, like, with no contact, not knowing who it is, not knowing, like, what the story, where would you place that accent? [00:46:36] Speaker A: I would know where to place it. He was, like, very gravely through the whole thing. [00:46:44] Speaker B: Very gravely. But it was also, like, maybe, you know, because it said that he was from Chicago. So, like, maybe. Maybe he was trying to put on a Midwestern accent. But it was terrible. [00:46:54] Speaker A: Also, where were they? Where's Sycamore Creek? I thought it was upstate New York. [00:46:58] Speaker B: I thought it was. I mean, because I think a lot of these are, like, supposed to be upstate New York, you know, or, like. Or like, somewhere outside the big city. Right. So maybe it was. Maybe it was, like, Indiana. [00:47:12] Speaker A: His wife. So he and his ex wife left Chicago to, like, move to Buffalo. [00:47:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I know. So that maybe it was, like, thought of as. [00:47:23] Speaker A: But. [00:47:23] Speaker B: But it also was, like, they weren't. It wasn't like. It was, like, super cold and snowy. Do you know what I mean, so it was like almost like, are we in the south somewhere? Like, this is so absurd. [00:47:35] Speaker A: Michigan. Where are they? What's going on? I'm August. I am like, like spatially not aware in these films. I'm like, where are we? [00:47:48] Speaker B: No, absolutely not. You're like, we're on the Warner Brothers lot in la, you know, basically, because. [00:47:56] Speaker A: All of a sudden they'll be trying to tell you they're in like some small town America and a yellow cab drives by. You're like, what's going on? And then there was another thing, film, where like her mom offers her up, I think, or her sister offers up Chad Michael Murray to like take the main character home. So she in his car, it's like 11am he doesn't drop her off till 6 at night. Like, it is really dark. [00:48:28] Speaker B: It's true. It's like, wait. And then it was so confusing because it was like. [00:48:32] Speaker A: Then his. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Her sister was like back from work. She had like, just left her at the restaurant eight hours later. [00:48:44] Speaker A: So crazy. It was so weird. I. Yeah, I did not have such an appreciation for the main character. She's very innovative. She's like, I don't have two pennies to rub together. My parents are in debt. I gotta like make something shake. So she creates this male review and she just finds Chad Michael Murray up. And it's like, well, what the else are you doing? You're not tightening bolts around town. So then Chad Michael Murray is like somehow cut as hell. [00:49:15] Speaker B: It's like 45. [00:49:20] Speaker A: The best body I've seen in a long time. I'm like, you're just squirreling this away in Sycamore Creek. [00:49:28] Speaker B: I know, I know. And it was like they seriously, like they loved a close up shot of his abs. They loved it. [00:49:38] Speaker A: At one point I was like, is this a body double? But no, it's Chad. [00:49:42] Speaker B: Is it? [00:49:43] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:49:43] Speaker B: So I didn't do much reading about it. I mean, that even. That makes that the wig even more. [00:49:51] Speaker A: I mean, sometimes it was just so, so crazy because it would be perfectly laid. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Yes. [00:49:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:58] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:49:59] Speaker A: I know. [00:49:59] Speaker B: And. But it was like very. I mean, it almost looked like like an American Girl doll hair. You know what I mean? Like, it was just. And it was very like almost like colonial. [00:50:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Her hair. [00:50:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:50:14] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Yeah. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Oh, his hair. You think that was a wig? [00:50:16] Speaker A: No, I don't think it was a wig, but it was absolutely a wig. [00:50:20] Speaker B: Oh, her hair was so away. [00:50:23] Speaker A: Synthetic. [00:50:24] Speaker B: It was terrible. It seriously looked like Samantha. [00:50:29] Speaker A: No. [00:50:29] Speaker B: Was it Samantha or. [00:50:30] Speaker A: I Think so, yeah. Was it Kristen? [00:50:34] Speaker B: It was Kristen or Kirsten? [00:50:35] Speaker A: Kirsten. [00:50:37] Speaker B: It was the 90s. Yeah. But it really. It like looked like her hair, but I. [00:50:44] Speaker A: On her bed and it was parted and then it was just like. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Perfect, basically. Like what a five year old girl. Like a five year old draws hair as. That's what it was. [00:50:57] Speaker A: And Chad Michael Murray's character was like that right there. I want it. He was like, I've never seen a woman so fine right here. [00:51:11] Speaker B: She sees my dance move. [00:51:13] Speaker A: I'll tell you something else that drove me crazy about this as well is that I don't know how many times Chad Michael Murray said, I know how you city girls are. [00:51:21] Speaker B: Oh, my God, I hated it. [00:51:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:24] Speaker B: And it was also like, what is this, 1927? What are you doing? [00:51:29] Speaker A: And then people are like, you have to give him grace. His wife left him to go back to the big city. And you're like. [00:51:36] Speaker B: You're like, that's what they should all do. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Meanwhile, he's out there living in the barn somewhere. [00:51:42] Speaker B: Well, yeah, that's the other thing. That was the other thing in terms of. Of setting is like, then he like loves country music, you know, so he's like listening to country music all the time. And I'm like, what's going like. And then he's like, but he's also making like Christmas furniture. It was just so weird. [00:51:59] Speaker A: Very weird. None of that was fully explained. I did not like it. I thought that. Yeah, I mean, I think as far as like the characters of this film, you had some of the dancers. There were two guys in the, in the stripper cast that were like certified dancers and they were dancing for their life. [00:52:15] Speaker B: Life. Oh, were they? [00:52:16] Speaker A: So the. [00:52:16] Speaker B: Okay, because the guy that came, the ringer that came in, that was like the, the. Was it the cab driver? [00:52:24] Speaker A: The cab driver. He's a certified dancer. [00:52:27] Speaker B: He was an incredible dancer that even the bartender. [00:52:30] Speaker A: Bartender. Those two, I think are absolute dancers. [00:52:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:52:34] Speaker A: Then they have my boy back there. They have my boy back there. Keith or whatever his name is. [00:52:40] Speaker B: The. [00:52:41] Speaker A: The black husband. [00:52:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. The. The husband. Oh my. The brother in law. Yeah, I know. [00:52:48] Speaker A: Initiator cast. There was something for everybody. [00:52:52] Speaker B: It really was like a little bit like Magic Mike. I felt like a little bit like. [00:52:57] Speaker A: Magic Mike, but, you know. Okay, so the whole thing is, right, the conflict is they have to raise $30,000 or else our main female character's parents are going to lose their nightclub. That's been amazing. The fir. They raised $30,000 in five days. [00:53:15] Speaker B: From like a town of like 60 people. So, like, who's coming and who's giving money to this place? [00:53:22] Speaker A: The shows are sold out by the end and it's standing room only and there's only 10 women in the room. [00:53:33] Speaker B: Oh, my God. It's so bad. So bad. [00:53:36] Speaker A: It was so hard to watch. And let me tell you something. Fresh choreography every night. Fresh costumes, fresh choreography every night. You're not getting that type of. You're not getting that type of showmanship on Broadway. [00:53:50] Speaker B: Also, I'm so. Like some of these movies I'm so confused about, like, where. So the setting is confusing, but also time. It's like Christmas goes on for day for like months. It seems like when it's like we start on the 24th. Yeah. [00:54:07] Speaker A: Movie started like December 20th. [00:54:09] Speaker B: And also it's like, where are you guys not working? You stop working. [00:54:17] Speaker A: This main character, she was like, no, I'm laid off. [00:54:21] Speaker B: God. I know. But then she was like, I'm not, you know, Then I don't like how, like, they're all. I was like, I don't want to come home. I can't go home. It's so bad. [00:54:31] Speaker A: It was so. That element of this film was so strange because she literally walks in her sister's house and is like, wow, you've done really well for yourself. And you're like, have you not seen each other in 12 years because you've been so busy with the jingle bells. [00:54:47] Speaker B: Seriously. Also, like, it did not. It just didn't make sense that she had a life size fake Christmas tree in New York City as a jingle bell. [00:54:58] Speaker A: Just so weird. It was just. There's so many weird elements with this film. [00:55:05] Speaker B: It was just. I mean, he, Chad Michael Murray for sure solidified himself as like the Christmas movie superstar here. You know, I mean, like, he can. People will keep coming back. [00:55:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I definitely watch him again. He's not hard to look at. He doesn't spark any like. [00:55:23] Speaker B: Like what? [00:55:24] Speaker A: In my loins? [00:55:25] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. And he's never been very bright. I mean, so like, he. He's kind of the perfect, like, Chris movies. Movie man. [00:55:36] Speaker A: You know, here's the thing. What? This is North Carolina lore, really, that I'm about to get into. You know, he was in One Tree Hill, which was shot down in Wilmington. Right. Right when we graduate. When we started College, it was 2006. So, you know, this is like deep in the days of like, one. Well, when I was in high school, my senior year going into college, I had heard rumors that he was seeing some girl down in Wilmington who was like 18 years old. I'd heard that like she was in high school. There was a rumor that he went to prom with her. Like it was the same. Well, I moved to college and on my floor were this group of girls that went to high school down there. And with the girl who was like dating Chad Michael Murray. [00:56:23] Speaker B: And they. [00:56:24] Speaker A: Pictures, they had pictures of them in high school, like hanging out. [00:56:30] Speaker B: Okay, was this pre or post Sophia Bush? [00:56:33] Speaker A: This was, this was post, I'm pretty sure. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Oh my God. What was he like late 20s dating an 18 year old? [00:56:43] Speaker A: Yes. I need to look it up. We'll look it up once we finish this recording because it was crazy. That's all I think about when I see him. And I think they were together for years. I think they worked seriously together. And then I think that like wasted many of her years. I don't want, I don't want to say this is fact, I think, but from what I hear, wasted many of her good years. And then they broke up and then he got with somebody else and started a family. [00:57:06] Speaker B: No, no. [00:57:08] Speaker A: God. [00:57:09] Speaker B: Been there, done that. [00:57:13] Speaker A: Oh my God. Don't need to do that again. Not going down that path. [00:57:20] Speaker B: Not for Chad Michael Murray. My God. Chad. [00:57:26] Speaker A: Chad. [00:57:27] Speaker B: I was thinking about this the other day and I was like, you know, I was telling him about telling you about that. That like man I saw outside of the cafe just like, like wearing these awful embroider. Embroider pants with like green corduroy pants with a ski embroidery. And I was like, you know, guys like that are always start like names a ch. So Chet, Chase, Chad, Charlie, Charles. They're all. That's, that's. Those guys are all named that. [00:58:03] Speaker A: What? That's terrible. Just terrible. Okay. They started dating when she was a high school senior. My God, I hope they're both blonde. Yeah. One Tree Hill star Chad Michael Murray couldn't wait to escort his new fiance, Kinsey Dalton to her senior promise. No, he was 24 years old. Did he. [00:58:32] Speaker B: They get married? I thought he. [00:58:34] Speaker A: But the 24 year old actor was crushed when officials at John T. Hoggard High School would not permit him to attend the dance on the arm of his 18 year old bride to be. Because of his age. Good adults. See what I'm saying? There were adults around in 2006. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Wait, why have we not talked about like, why is this not talked about? More like the Chad Michael Murray tried to take his fiance to her own problem. [00:58:55] Speaker A: It lives within me, Jillian. This, this lives within me. I Don't forget about it. Every time I look at him, I think that's a reason why I just can't get into him. Because I'm like, something's off about that whole situation. [00:59:07] Speaker B: There is. I mean, honestly, there's something off about him where you're just like, I don't trust it. I don't know. [00:59:13] Speaker A: The prom. But it says here that he, Chad, managed to make up for his absence in other ways. He threw Kinsey and her friends an after party on April 22, during which he presented her with a brand new Mercedes Benz. [00:59:26] Speaker B: I'm sorry, grooming. What. [00:59:32] Speaker A: What was going on? She's blonde. I had friends that were friends with her in high school, and I just remember being like, all. Is anybody deserved? [00:59:43] Speaker B: Are we. Oh, like, is everybody okay? [00:59:45] Speaker A: Do we need to. 24 year old man. To me, at 18 years old, seemed like he might as well just been George Clooney. [00:59:52] Speaker B: No. For sure. 24 year old man. No. [00:59:58] Speaker A: Oh, my God. So that's that. We'll have to talk about that on another day. [01:00:02] Speaker B: That is wild. [01:00:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:05] Speaker B: Well, who else do we have? So I think we. Well, well, okay. So this is a little bit of a crossover. Her mom in this movie played Sabrina, Sabrina's aunt. She did the teenage witch. So there was a little crossover. I. [01:00:21] Speaker A: What's that woman's name? Because I also have to say that I think one time when I was, like in, you know, a pre. Te and I would stay up late and then HBO would, like, very subtly turn into, like, late night. HBO and Cinemax would turn into their late night programming, which was not necessarily appropriate for me. But I'm gonna watch because I want to know what's going on. I think she was in a little bit of a, like a soft core situation. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:00:48] Speaker A: Hold on. Something or. Oh, you're thinking about Caroline Ray. No, she played opposite Caroline Ray. Okay. [01:00:58] Speaker B: Oh, Caroline Ray was the other aunt. [01:01:01] Speaker A: Beth Broderick is this woman's name. Let me look at her. She's 66. [01:01:07] Speaker B: What? That's crazy. [01:01:11] Speaker A: Wow. Yes. Let's see. What movie was it that she played in? It was like Bordello. Yeah. There was something I saw of her, and it was very much that. So. [01:01:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:34] Speaker A: But I'll always think about her as Sabrina, the teenage witch's aunt. [01:01:37] Speaker B: Aunt. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, what do you think? Should we write our own holiday? Small town. [01:01:48] Speaker A: Well, wait, okay, wait, I didn't ask you. Is it a slayer? Nay. [01:01:52] Speaker B: Oh, well, I mean, again, I think like a sleigh for entertainment value. But a name for any sort of, like, quality. [01:02:04] Speaker A: Agree. No notes. It's a sleigh for me. I had a good time. I didn't hate looking at Chad Michael Murray, and I thought that was. Was a fun premise. But, you know, the question of quality budget. [01:02:19] Speaker B: And the thing is, what's so crazy about this is, like, when you're thinking about the budget and then think about how many people, especially now it's on Netflix, like the. The Christmas movies when they were on Hallmark, like, they're just, like, to a subset of people that watch Hallmark movies. A lot of people watch the Netflix Christmas movies. So why is the budget so bad? [01:02:43] Speaker A: Like, why they need to revisit that? Because things just aren't curling all the way over in these movies. And I have some serious concerns about, like, what. I mean, in a way, I feel like Hallmark's budget goes a little bit further. Yeah. [01:02:58] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I think so. With what's her Face. [01:03:00] Speaker A: She's. [01:03:01] Speaker B: She's in, like, every single one. Lacey Chamber or something. Life. She is really living her best life. Yeah. [01:03:09] Speaker A: There. It's the Hallmark set. I mean, it's like being one of those Hollywood stars of, like, you know, the 30s and 40s where you practice with, like, Paramount. You're just in there every year might. [01:03:23] Speaker B: Be like a re. Like, basically the plot is the same every year, but, you know, why not? It's like you're just a theater actor. [01:03:30] Speaker A: There's some woman in Indianapolis who's loving it. And that is your odds. Audience. [01:03:35] Speaker B: That is your audience. [01:03:36] Speaker A: Right. [01:03:37] Speaker B: But like, Netflix, you'd think is, like, you know, it's like people who are just like, oh, let's. This is funny. Let's watch this. So it's definitely a wider audience, but not. The budget has not improved. [01:03:48] Speaker A: Crazy. They need to, like, revisit that. I need to. Also, I'd be interested in seeing a few more Chad Michael Murray Christmas films. [01:03:54] Speaker B: I would, too. I would, too. You know, love. I. I love the Lindsay Lohan one last time year. [01:04:00] Speaker A: Was he in that? [01:04:02] Speaker B: He wasn't in that, but he was. No, I. I just feel like Lindsay Lohan is becoming the queen or she's not. And I just want her to be. [01:04:10] Speaker A: I know we want the best for Lindsay, you know, next year, what I think we need to do is that we need to do, like, a Christmas film showdown. We need to have, like, a bracket where basically we. We don't need to overexert ourselves, but we basically need to have, like, our showdown between Christmas films, and we need to just Bracket them and like bring into the ultimate Christmas film that we select for it. Oh, my God. [01:04:36] Speaker B: Well, so like in a serious way or in like a. [01:04:39] Speaker A: Like a joke, silly. You don't have to be serious about it. But it's just like whatever we're feeling the vibe most. [01:04:47] Speaker B: Yeah, let's do it. Hopefully they. They come out with some bangers next year. [01:04:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And we could just be like. All right, well, we'll rate them based on. And are the wigs bad? God. [01:04:56] Speaker B: Oh, God. Well, you know what, when are they filming? Like, will they film those, like in the summer or are they feeling filming them now for next year? [01:05:05] Speaker A: Who knows? We'll. I guess we'll get the releases next fall sometime. [01:05:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:11] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:05:12] Speaker A: Can't wait. All right. Okay. Well, yes, you've mentioned it. I think it's time we write our own small town holiday classics by playing a rousing game of Mashed. Yep. So fun. Okay, let me get some paper here. Okay, let me see. Do I have a pencil? Okay. [01:05:35] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:36] Speaker A: Okay, we've got multiple categories for this game. I'll go ahead and start with we can do each other. Okay. [01:05:45] Speaker B: Okay. [01:05:46] Speaker A: Okay. What is your small town name? [01:05:54] Speaker B: Bella. Bella. [01:06:01] Speaker A: Okay, bella. [01:06:07] Speaker B: Wait, so we're just going back. What's yours? [01:06:09] Speaker A: Mine's gonna be Iceberg. B U R G. Ice. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Wait. [01:06:17] Speaker A: Like iceberg. [01:06:18] Speaker B: Oh, Ice is your first name and berg is your last name. [01:06:22] Speaker A: Oh, what. What we're talking about right now is place. Like, what's the name of the location where your story is set? Oh. [01:06:30] Speaker B: What'S the. I don't know why I cannot grasp this game. [01:06:38] Speaker A: Jillian, the prompt is small town name. [01:06:43] Speaker B: Small time. Like my name or the character. [01:06:49] Speaker A: What's going on? [01:06:53] Speaker B: Okay, I'm sticking with Bella. [01:06:55] Speaker A: Okay. Hey, welcome to Bella. Okay, mine is Iceberg. Okay. Small town love interest in your past connection. I. E. Are they a high school crush, a former rival? Etc. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Okay, I said high school crush. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Okay, do they have a name? Is there a celebrity that you would. Okay, like, basically it's like Jonathan Bailey is a high school crush. [01:07:30] Speaker B: Well, let's just go there. That one. Jonathan Haley is the high school crush. Let's do Josh o'. Connor. Or do I do multiple ones? [01:07:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's four. I need four of them. [01:07:42] Speaker B: I am really bad at this. [01:07:44] Speaker A: I need options. Yeah, okay. [01:07:46] Speaker B: Josh o' Connor is my former rival. How about. What is his name? Stanley Tucci as my high school teacher. [01:08:01] Speaker A: Oh, hot. [01:08:03] Speaker B: And then I think another one. Let's see. How about Michael B. Jordan as the town chef? [01:08:18] Speaker A: Love that the town chef. [01:08:21] Speaker B: The town chef. [01:08:22] Speaker A: Mr. Michelin. Michelin Awards. Yeah. [01:08:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Okay, I need. Okay, so we know that I did small town job. Their small town job. But honestly, we know Michael B. Jordan is the town chef. What does Jonathan Bailey do for a living? [01:08:44] Speaker B: Owns a bookstore. Hey. [01:08:49] Speaker A: Okay, I need four more. I've got chef and bookstore owner. I need two more jobs. [01:08:56] Speaker B: Retire a teacher for Stanley Tucci. And then who is the other one? Josh o'. Connor. [01:09:04] Speaker A: Okay, but here's the thing. The boyfriends are Jonathan Bailey, who's your high school crush. He might have. He might be a bookstore owner right now. Now. Or he could be a retired teacher. Like, it just depends on the outcome of the. Of the scores, what their jobs are. So like I just earlier I wanted to know like what your connection to what to them was. Like a high school. [01:09:27] Speaker B: Okay, okay. Bible, Stanley. [01:09:31] Speaker A: Okay. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. So obviously one of them has to be handyman. Yes. And then let's say. [01:09:42] Speaker A: Like the. [01:09:45] Speaker B: The grocery store clerk. I guess. I don't know. [01:09:47] Speaker A: We're doing grocery store. So somebody could be a high school teacher and a grocery store clerk. Just how the outcome for sure. [01:09:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:55] Speaker A: In this economy. Okay, what's your big girl job? [01:10:01] Speaker B: A journalist. [01:10:02] Speaker A: That. Okay, I need three more. [01:10:06] Speaker B: See, let's say mayor. Yeah, let's say actress. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Okay. [01:10:17] Speaker B: And one more. [01:10:18] Speaker A: A writer. Writer. Okay, got it. What is the conflict that has brought you back to town? [01:10:27] Speaker B: Mom and dad closed their shop. Okay, let's see. Grandma died. [01:10:35] Speaker A: My grandma. Okay. [01:10:41] Speaker B: How about I'm doing like an expose on. On someone from the town. Like the, the. The. The oldest person in the world who happens to live in the town. [01:10:59] Speaker A: I put expose on town corruption. [01:11:02] Speaker B: Let's do it. Yeah, I guess that is. That's more like it. [01:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And then what is the fourth? [01:11:09] Speaker B: How about the family dog died? [01:11:13] Speaker A: Not the dog. [01:11:15] Speaker B: Okay, and then let's see. [01:11:20] Speaker A: What are you, like four happy endings that you could think of? [01:11:24] Speaker B: Four happy endings. Okay, like in terms of like, oh, I end up being a journalist there. Okay. Yes, yes. I end up being the town newspaper person. [01:11:41] Speaker A: I. [01:11:42] Speaker B: Let's see, we move to like, we end up together and then we move to Italy, right? Yeah, Happy endings. And then how about we join a cult together? Okay. Yep. And one more. Yeah. And then we get married in the town square. [01:12:12] Speaker A: That would be. [01:12:12] Speaker B: Be one. [01:12:14] Speaker A: Okay. Town square. Okay. And then I need four options. How many days are there until Christmas? [01:12:23] Speaker B: Let's do a thousand. [01:12:24] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:26] Speaker B: Which is not very true. No, not correct. But anyway. [01:12:30] Speaker A: Two. Two. Okay. [01:12:33] Speaker B: Zero. [01:12:34] Speaker A: Okay. It's Christmas. [01:12:41] Speaker B: And 10. Let's do 10. [01:12:43] Speaker A: Okay. I need a number between one and nine. [01:12:48] Speaker B: Okay, let's do three. [01:12:50] Speaker A: Okay. Let's find your life in Bella. I. I'm not hating your life. [01:13:00] Speaker B: Really? [01:13:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, but you are on borrowed time. Okay. [01:13:06] Speaker B: Oh, no. [01:13:08] Speaker A: In the town of Bella, you live in a house. [01:13:12] Speaker B: Huh? [01:13:15] Speaker A: You go back to Bella to do an expose on town corruption while also running for mayor. Oh, okay. Political. [01:13:30] Speaker B: It's a political thriller. [01:13:32] Speaker A: While you're there, you run into the town chef. Oh, and your old. He's your old flame because he's a chef. You love a man who can cook. With zero days to Christmas, you get married in the town square. Happily ever after. [01:14:01] Speaker B: It was so good up until then. [01:14:04] Speaker A: What were you hoping for? Joining a cult? [01:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. [01:14:09] Speaker A: Love that. [01:14:10] Speaker B: Oh, God. So should we do you or. [01:14:14] Speaker A: Let's do it. I don't know. I have no answers prepared. [01:14:17] Speaker B: No. Okay, so let's do four Small town love interests. [01:14:26] Speaker A: Small town love interests. Okay, I'm gonna do Chad Michael Murray. And he was the high school quarterback. Okay, I'm going to do. What's his name? I'm gonna do what. What is that boy's name? I think his name is. He is hot. [01:14:56] Speaker B: Joshua Jackson. [01:14:58] Speaker A: Okay, well, that's. [01:15:00] Speaker B: I know it's somebody. [01:15:02] Speaker A: I forgot. Let's see. Let me see here. Hold on. Okay, I'm gonna do Anthony Joshua, who is. Is the boxer who just knocked out Jake Paul on In a fight. So British. And I am going to say that we were childhood best friends. [01:15:21] Speaker B: All the best friends. Unfortunately, he's gonna have ct. [01:15:26] Speaker A: This man is so fine that we have got to suspend all of that because he is just. I'm talking. And you know how I am. Nothing I like, ever. This man is. Is fine. [01:15:39] Speaker B: Okay, well, I look him up, you come up with another one. [01:15:42] Speaker A: Okay. I'm also going to say that I'm gonna go with. Let's do Leonardo DiCaprio. [01:15:53] Speaker B: Okay. [01:15:55] Speaker A: As my old teacher, I'll take a page from your book. [01:16:00] Speaker B: It's. That fits with him. [01:16:03] Speaker A: And who else am I gonna do? You know, I. I have lusts and crushes on so many celebrities. And then at the moment when, like, I'm under the gun, I can. [01:16:13] Speaker B: You're like, I can't even remember. [01:16:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I will go ahead and do. Who will I do? Who? Oh, my gosh. I'll go ahead and just do. Because he's the man of the month moment. I'll do Jonathan Bailey. And he was my bully. High school bully. [01:16:34] Speaker B: Okay. High school bully. Okay. And then occupations for them. Let's see. [01:16:41] Speaker A: I'm gonna do a barista. Yeah. Going to do architect. I'm gonna do activist. [01:16:58] Speaker B: Activist, huh? [01:17:00] Speaker A: And I'm gonna do bookstore or owner. Okay. [01:17:07] Speaker B: And let's see, your job, your big city girl job. [01:17:13] Speaker A: I'm gonna do advertising exec. [01:17:15] Speaker B: Okay. [01:17:17] Speaker A: I'm gonna do fashion editor. [01:17:21] Speaker B: Okay. [01:17:23] Speaker A: I'm going to do. Let's see, what else am I gonna do? I'm going to do lounge singer. [01:17:34] Speaker B: Oh, like that. [01:17:39] Speaker A: And I'm going to do stay at home girlfriend, which I don't love that. But maybe in the city. I have a very wealthy but also very negligent boyfriend. And I'm being called home. And that's where I rekindle my romance with my one time. [01:18:01] Speaker B: There you go. But it should be stay at home wife, though, because then no prenup. And then you just get to take. [01:18:08] Speaker A: All the money and go to my small. That's how I get to buy the cute bungalow downtown. Exactly. [01:18:15] Speaker B: Okay. What is the reason that you were brought home? [01:18:21] Speaker A: Let's see. They're. They're shutting down the local plant. [01:18:28] Speaker B: Gosh, the local plant. [01:18:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:32] Speaker B: Okay. [01:18:35] Speaker A: This. They are going to. A evil, wealthy empire is threatening to buy the town. [01:18:48] Speaker B: Okay. Empire. [01:18:54] Speaker A: I'm going to say. What did you say? I just don't want to take. See, my grandmother is ill. One more and let's see. Oh, I need to. There is a big concert to raise money to save the local library. [01:19:28] Speaker B: Okay. And then. Happy endings. [01:19:32] Speaker A: We get married and move back to the big city. [01:19:38] Speaker B: Okay. [01:19:41] Speaker A: Right. We elope in Vegas. [01:19:51] Speaker B: Huh? [01:19:54] Speaker A: We part ways and agree to never see each other again. It's too painful. [01:19:59] Speaker B: Okay. Very past lives. [01:20:02] Speaker A: And then I. My wealthy boyfriend in the. Sarah. My wealthy husband in the city dies, leaving me half his estate and I moved to Europe. [01:20:13] Speaker B: Half his estate? Wouldn't that be his whole estate? [01:20:16] Speaker A: Oh, whole estate. Yes. His whole estate. Sorry. Yes. I think I was thinking of a divorce. [01:20:24] Speaker B: Oh, that is my dream. Okay, let's see then. How many days till Christmas? [01:20:32] Speaker A: We're gonna do 7. 14. 1. 31 minutes. [01:20:45] Speaker B: 30 minutes. [01:20:46] Speaker A: You don't have 30 minutes. [01:20:50] Speaker B: God. 30 minutes. Okay, pick a number between one and three. That many? [01:20:57] Speaker A: Let's do four. Okay, four. While you're doing that, I'll just sing us a little Christmas jingle. Oh, here. Those sleigh bells ring a ling ding ding a L. Okay. Say anything to distract you. I know this could be tough. O Too bad you hate to see it. [01:21:16] Speaker B: Hate to see it. Here is your fate Christmas. Okay. You live in a town called Iceberg. Yes. You are brought back to town because the. They're shutting down the won't go plan. [01:21:36] Speaker A: Oh, no, not the plant. [01:21:37] Speaker B: You're coming from the big city as the alum singer and run into. You run into Leonardo DiCaprio, who was your old teacher and is now somehow an architect in the small town of Iceberg. [01:21:52] Speaker A: Never too late. Never too late. [01:21:56] Speaker B: And so the movie Christmas Eve. It's a day away from Christmas and your happy ending is, sorry to say, get married and move back to the city. Damn. My old teacher with your old teacher. [01:22:14] Speaker A: I hate it. I hate it. [01:22:15] Speaker B: Certainly did some grooming back in the early 2000s. Absolutely. [01:22:21] Speaker A: That is not. That is not a Christmas miracle. Me and a 40 something year old. Leah, though, is he. Is he 50 something now? [01:22:31] Speaker B: Yeah, he's like 52 or. Yeah. Yeah. [01:22:34] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:22:36] Speaker B: I know, I know. God, you know, I hate him because he does look good still. [01:22:43] Speaker A: I know, but remember when Titanic came out, he was like 22 years old. [01:22:47] Speaker B: I know. I. I was like 10. I know. [01:22:50] Speaker A: It's crazy. [01:22:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:53] Speaker A: Again, something else that makes me think of how old I am and I hate it. [01:22:57] Speaker B: So upsetting. All right, well, while we're not in studio this week, we want to be sure that we give a shout out to Christian McCann for publishing this episode and getting us up on the airwaves. And as always, thank you to the illustrious Lincoln Lodge in Chicago, Illinois, for letting us do our thing. [01:23:19] Speaker A: And yes, and thank you always for tuning in. And remember, if you're feeling the vibe, rate and subscribe until next time. Next time. Bye.