Get in, Loser - We're Going to the Cottage

Episode 9 • January 16, 2026 • 01:44:52
Get in, Loser - We're Going to the Cottage
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Get in, Loser - We're Going to the Cottage

Jan 16 2026 | 01:44:52

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This week, the girls are joined by their dear friend Nathan for a deep dive into everyone’s newest (and hottest) obsession: Heated Rivalry. They talk about getting back to work after the holiday break (derogatory), the surprising pipeline from Christian rock to pop stardom (looking at you, Katy), and the tragic phenomenon of early-aughts icons sliding into full-blown mom drama (hate to see it). They wrap things up with a game of MASH and build Nathan the ultimate sports-romance happily-ever-after!

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. A Romany podcast. I'm Deidre. [00:00:09] Speaker B: And I'm Jillian. [00:00:10] Speaker A: And this week we have a very special guest, longtime listener, first time guest, Nathan. [00:00:17] Speaker C: Happy New Year. We made it. [00:00:20] Speaker B: We made it, sister. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Made it. [00:00:21] Speaker C: To one who knows. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Yes. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Welcome to the podcast. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:00:25] Speaker A: You. We're so excited. Yes. We're equally as excited to have you. How things. But how's 2026 treating you so far? [00:00:32] Speaker C: It's been good. You know, my 40 minute Uber here was all Christian rock. Oh, good, good. Omen, right? Yeah, he's with us. [00:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:00:41] Speaker C: So, yeah, it's been a good couple weeks. [00:00:43] Speaker B: Good. [00:00:44] Speaker A: If. What is it in Sister act if you want to be somebody, if you want to go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention. [00:00:50] Speaker C: I was my favorite today. [00:00:54] Speaker A: A good message. [00:00:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Well, good. [00:00:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Work is good. Life is good. [00:00:58] Speaker C: Work is good. You know, they're trying to work a little too hard considering everybody all just getting back into it. But what is it? The 12th? [00:01:06] Speaker A: It's. Yeah, it's the 13th. No, the 13th today. Yeah. [00:01:10] Speaker C: Like, half the month is already over. [00:01:12] Speaker A: Half the month is already over. But we're almost fully into our descent into fascism. [00:01:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Yeah. That's almost complete. [00:01:19] Speaker C: That's completely complete. That's. That's moving along. [00:01:21] Speaker B: I mean, but I'm also like waking. I'm still waking up from like, from the break. So that's. It's been challenging. [00:01:27] Speaker A: That's by design. They're trying to get us on the back foot. [00:01:30] Speaker C: I'm taking Monday off. [00:01:31] Speaker B: Yep. Oh, yeah. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Okay. Mlk. We love it. Yeah. We're gonna honor him by. By not going to work. You and I'm not going to work. [00:01:41] Speaker C: I said I'll see you all next time. [00:01:44] Speaker A: Love that. [00:01:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:45] Speaker A: Great. How are you, Jillian? How are things going in your world? [00:01:47] Speaker B: Yeah, same thing. Like, work is trying to make us work and. Yeah. I'm not into it. [00:01:52] Speaker A: You're like working for a dollar. I don't think so. [00:01:54] Speaker B: No. [00:01:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that's why I am. [00:01:56] Speaker B: God. Yeah. [00:01:57] Speaker A: I'm just not feeling it. I'm having a really hard time getting motivated. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Me too. And I've like, I've talked to a lot of people that feel that same way and I'm like, something's in the air. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:07] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:02:08] Speaker A: It's fascism and it's the flu. Yeah. I have to look at myself in the mirror and go, lock in, sister. I gotta get some work done. Like, I have to work through this. [00:02:17] Speaker C: I'm locked out. [00:02:18] Speaker B: I know. [00:02:19] Speaker A: It's so bad. I'M trying everything I can. I'm, like, putting my phone face down. [00:02:23] Speaker B: I know. [00:02:23] Speaker A: Setting a timer for an hour, saying, I don't care what you get done. And over the course of an hour, you need to get things done that's going to better your life, personally and. Or professionally. If that's a bill getting paid, good. If that is an email getting sent, great. I just. I just can't do it anymore. [00:02:40] Speaker B: I can't do it anymore. I brought out my coloring book last night. I know. I was like, it's a. It's a coloring book with, like, all dogs. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Whatever works. [00:02:51] Speaker B: So love it. [00:02:51] Speaker A: Whatever gets you through. Well, I mean, at least we're almost through January. We're slowly working our way through the cold winter. I feel like it's about to descend into bitter cold here again. [00:03:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, Today is like 50, though. [00:03:06] Speaker A: I know. [00:03:06] Speaker C: It's been too nice. [00:03:09] Speaker A: It's tricking us. It's tricking us. I think we're due for some cold weather starting tomorrow into Thursday, so just buckle up. [00:03:16] Speaker B: All right. [00:03:17] Speaker A: You know, what can you do? [00:03:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess we stay inside anyway. [00:03:20] Speaker A: So, yeah, we got to just find joy in the small moments where we can. We just got to do our best. You know what I mean? [00:03:27] Speaker B: And you know what? This is a joyful. [00:03:28] Speaker A: This is a joyful podcast. Yes. Yes. Not quite on the level as Christian rock. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Not as uplifting, exactly. [00:03:38] Speaker A: Little Amy Grant. [00:03:39] Speaker C: I feel happier having been here, you know? [00:03:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Good. [00:03:42] Speaker C: Good day. [00:03:43] Speaker A: Good, good. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Wait, Amy Grant is Christian rock? [00:03:45] Speaker A: I think so. Is she. [00:03:46] Speaker C: Who is Amy Grant? [00:03:48] Speaker A: You're probably listening to her today. [00:03:49] Speaker C: I probably heard her today. [00:03:50] Speaker B: Probably. I mean, I know she's got a Christmas album, but I didn't know she was Christian rock. [00:03:55] Speaker A: I think she is. Right. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:03:57] Speaker C: Maybe the only Christian music I listen to is Michelle Williams of Destiny's Child fame. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:03] Speaker A: See, she began her music career in contemporary Christian music before crossing over the pot. I knew. I knew an origin story. [00:04:08] Speaker C: Katy Perry did that, too. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Really? [00:04:11] Speaker C: Yes. She started out doing Christian music. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Where was she? Where's she from? She left Texas. [00:04:17] Speaker C: She went back home for her flight. [00:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:20] Speaker A: I'm thinking about her being a Christian singer. Then I think about the video for E.T. [00:04:23] Speaker B: I know. [00:04:25] Speaker A: Okay. All right. Love that joy. [00:04:30] Speaker B: It doesn't add up. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. [00:04:33] Speaker B: Okay. So, I mean, should we get into a little here? [00:04:35] Speaker A: Let's get into a little here. You hear? I've been itching to talk to you about this, Nathan. Really interested in your thoughts about this as well. Evergreen. [00:04:44] Speaker B: Sipping a little Water. [00:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:47] Speaker C: If I close my eyes, it's about good, so. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:49] Speaker C: There you go. [00:04:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:50] Speaker A: Are you doing dry January? [00:04:52] Speaker C: You know, I've been, like, flirting with sobriety. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Yes. [00:04:55] Speaker C: For the past couple months. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:56] Speaker C: I'll be. I'll be back at it in the spring. [00:04:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I hear you. As a woman who is, you know, again, descending quickly into her 30s, nearing the 40 mark, I do feel like my hormones have started to wage a war against me, and I even sniff alcoholic beverage right now. I think my, like, my skin's flaring up. Like things are not working like they used to. [00:05:24] Speaker C: Yes. [00:05:25] Speaker A: Like, the difference between how I would bounce back from an alcoholic beverage at 21 versus today. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:05:32] Speaker A: Sorry. Before we get into the. Hear ye, hear ye. Let me just point. Let me just take this picture. Picture Panama City Beach, 2010. [00:05:40] Speaker C: Not 2010. I don't want to go back there. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Listen, you're going. [00:05:43] Speaker B: What was on the. What were you listening to? [00:05:45] Speaker A: I'll tell you specifically, blaring in the speakers was Rihanna's Rude Boy. Okay. [00:05:49] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:05:51] Speaker A: And a group of people from college had gone down to Panama City Beach. We went to Walmart. I filled up one of those, like, Big Bubba jugs with, like, $2. Like, I poured, like, a whole bottle of wine in there. So on the hot beach, I had, like, maybe two bottles of wine by myself. The day kept going. I had tequila and any other liquor. [00:06:13] Speaker B: No. [00:06:15] Speaker A: I think about this. You know, you have those moments in your life, and you go by the grace of God. By the grace of God. If not for God, we wouldn't be here. I literally passed out. I have, like, memories of coming to and being. It was like the hangover. Like, you know, just like, the crazy moments that they go through. [00:06:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Like, at one point, I was on the ground. Somebody was beating me up. Like, a friend was, like, hitting me, because I don't know what I was thinking. [00:06:38] Speaker B: Like, this is actually true or this is true. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Oh, wow. She was, like, wrestling me. [00:06:43] Speaker B: I heard about this. Oh, my God. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Because maybe I don't like to bring it up. And then I remember getting off an elevator and my friend being like, you have to walk. We got to get out of here. We got to move. And then the next thing I know, I woke up in, like, a T shirt, sweatpants that were not mine. [00:06:58] Speaker C: No. [00:06:59] Speaker A: Easily got out of the bed. Easily got out of the bed, walked out into the living room. Like, what's going on? [00:07:04] Speaker B: What's the deal? [00:07:05] Speaker A: There was a mop and bucket in the corner of the. Like, the Opening, like the corridor of the apartment or condo that we rented. I had peed myself in the middle of the apartment. Didn't. Didn't remember any of it. Threw up, peed on myself. People cleaned me up, cleaned it up. I had no recollection. And then I go to my friends, I go, what we doing today? No, what we getting after? [00:07:26] Speaker B: I would be in the ice. [00:07:27] Speaker A: Are we going out right now? [00:07:29] Speaker C: Are we going out? What's the move? Yeah, I would love a margarita. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Yeah, that was me. And now, I swear to God, you would have to just be making my arrangements. [00:07:38] Speaker B: I'd be in a coma for sure. [00:07:40] Speaker A: It would kill me. Yeah, it would absolutely kill me. Just one drink kills me. [00:07:45] Speaker B: God, I would bring shame upon my family. [00:07:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, it's just not hitting the same way it used to. It's. It's bad. It's one of life's cruel jokes, you know? [00:07:55] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I know. [00:07:56] Speaker C: I will say nothing. Slaps like a summer wine, though. [00:07:59] Speaker B: Oh, you're right. [00:08:01] Speaker A: With the condensation on the little glass. Something. [00:08:03] Speaker C: You want something outside? [00:08:05] Speaker A: Give me a little Kim Crawford. [00:08:06] Speaker C: Yes, we will be doing that. [00:08:11] Speaker A: Yeah, A little orange wine. Love that. Yeah, a little. Yeah, yeah, love that. Okay, back here. Thank you for going down memory lane. Love that. Great time. Okay, Evergreen topic on the show. The girls stay fighting. Okay. And this time, the. It's a toxic mom group. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Okay. We've not talked about this. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Gone deep on this. [00:08:35] Speaker A: Okay. I love your insight. Okay, so there was an article published by the Cut in the. At the beginning of the new year. Right. We're starting off hot in 2026. It's called breaking up with My Toxic Mom Group. I thought I found Village. Instead I was back in high school. It's a first person POV by Ashley Tisdale, now known as Ashley French. Her married name of Disney Channel and more specifically, High School Musical fame. Were you a High School Musical fan? [00:08:59] Speaker C: I. I don't visit a fan, but I know who this is. [00:09:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. [00:09:04] Speaker A: What was her name? What was her character's name on Sharpe. Sharpe. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:11] Speaker A: It was definitely Sharpay. So basically, here's the rundown. So Ashley has a personal website, slash blog called. I mean, talk about 2010. [00:09:21] Speaker B: I know. I can't believe she has a blog. I can't believe I. [00:09:23] Speaker A: It's literally. It's just her going in there and talking about the. The quote unquote, ideas, people and things that she loves. Okay. [00:09:31] Speaker C: God. [00:09:32] Speaker A: It's called by Ashley French, a poor man's goop. [00:09:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Back with love. [00:09:39] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:09:42] Speaker A: The mashup you didn't know you need, where she essentially keeps an, you know, an online journal, and she talks about these things. Okay. In a recent entry titled, you're allowed to leave your mom group, I don't know if you knew that. She talks about how mom groups, particularly one she was involved in, can turn toxic. So creating separate text chains, planning outings with certain members while excluding others, and then, you know, posting pics from said outings on Instagram for those who were left out to see. Gossiping behind each other's backs, whatever, and letting other fellow moms know it's okay to leave when it no longer serves you. And so, for her own personal experience, Ashley said that the group she was in felt like mean girls and said it was too high school to remain in. So she published her thoughts originally on her personal blog, and then she published a separate piece in the Cut at the beginning of January, which only emphasized and drew attention to her online journal entry, which caused people to go. [00:10:39] Speaker B: Online journal entry. [00:10:42] Speaker A: Her blog, which caused people to go, who exactly is in this friend group? And this is quite interesting. So people have been speculating that she's referring to a group of famous moms that includes such millennial faves as Hillary Duff. [00:10:59] Speaker C: Okay. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Work. Mandy Moore and Meghan Trainor. [00:11:04] Speaker B: That was random, by the way. [00:11:06] Speaker C: Meghan Trainor. [00:11:06] Speaker A: Meghan Trainor. [00:11:07] Speaker C: Is she the same age? [00:11:08] Speaker B: No. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Well, she is, like, a millennial, but she wasn't, like, early 2000s, like, pop star. Like, we only got to know her right. In, like, 2013 Y or something. So she's in the group. There's also some girl who's like, a chef of some sort, like a lifestyle, like, you know, influencer. I've never heard of her, but she's in there too. [00:11:26] Speaker C: Didn't we learn from Mom Talk that these relationships can get a little dicey? [00:11:29] Speaker A: We can learn that they get a little dicey. It's interesting because Meghan Trainor specifically has been very vocal about not knowing what any of this is about. She's like, I'm not involved in this. [00:11:41] Speaker C: I don't know who I love that I don't know. [00:11:44] Speaker A: She's like, girl, y' all may not believe it, but I've been on tour. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:47] Speaker A: So? So I have a job, unlike. I don't know what's going on. Now, what is interesting is that there has been a lot of shade coming out of Hillary Duff's camp, and it's a little bit of a different story. So Duff's partner, Matthew Coma, hit back at Ashley by parodying her cover for the Cut on Instagram. But when he did his own, he replaced the headline with when you're the most self obsessed, tone deaf person on earth. Other models moms tend to shift focus to their actual toddlers. [00:12:22] Speaker B: I mean, do they realize that this is 2026 and like, I mean, this is crazy. [00:12:27] Speaker A: It's insane. [00:12:29] Speaker B: Second Trump administration girl, like, again, we're. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Descending into fashion, like, focus. [00:12:34] Speaker C: What was the last part of her statement? She basically said, I'm a focus on my kids. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Yes. [00:12:42] Speaker B: I'm going to prioritize motherhood. [00:12:43] Speaker A: I'm going to prioritize motherhood. So People magazine, I was looking today, did a really deep dive to be like, here are the girls that basically think this is all about it. [00:12:53] Speaker B: Oh, my God, I love that. [00:12:55] Speaker A: But what is really great is that they, they went, they're telling you the information that you want to know, which is, do they still follow each other on social media? And here's the rundown. Ashley and Hillary have unfollowed each other on Instagram. They do not follow each other. They are like on the out. So really, I think it's between these two where the problem resides. There can only be one Disney queen. You know what I mean? [00:13:19] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:13:19] Speaker A: It can't be both of them. Mandy Moore, however, let's see. Ashley Tisdale no longer follows Mandy Moore on Instagram, but Mandy Moore still follows Ashley Tisdale. [00:13:30] Speaker B: It's speaking of Christian rock. [00:13:32] Speaker C: Speaking of Christian rock. [00:13:34] Speaker B: That's a Christian thing to do. [00:13:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:36] Speaker A: So I was reading this too, and I thought about you because it appears that during the 2025 fires, Hillary Duff and her husband, are they married? [00:13:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:46] Speaker A: They took in Mandy Moore and her husband. Also, like, big on fundraising for, I guess, Mandy Moore's brother in law. [00:13:51] Speaker B: Yeah. She was like, you didn't like money? No. With Mandy Moore's money. And then she's asking, like regular folk to give her brother in law money. No, thank you. [00:14:01] Speaker A: She's like, you know what? We got enough Internet access to start a GoFundMe. [00:14:04] Speaker B: I mean, it was like, oh, my God, guys, like, my Pacific Palisade's house burned down. [00:14:10] Speaker C: My mansion is done, and we need your help. [00:14:14] Speaker A: I know. And building from the ground up. [00:14:16] Speaker C: Straight together, your minimum wage. [00:14:20] Speaker A: It's crazy. Let's see. I hated that Ashley Tisdale and Meghan Trainor still follow one another on Instagram. So again, Meghan Trainor is like, I'm not in. [00:14:29] Speaker B: I mean, Meghan Trainor, I Feel like would be the most neutral out of. Yeah. All of them. [00:14:33] Speaker C: She can't give up these relationships. [00:14:34] Speaker B: No, no. [00:14:35] Speaker A: She needs them. There is also a woman named Janice Gott who's the founder of Moo Every Day. I don't know what that is. This is. Those are literally. That's liter. My first time reading those words. Tisdale still follows her on Instagram. There's Gabby Dan as well. Did you read that name in your research? Anyway, she's like a. She's like a chef. She's a best selling cookbook. She has a best selling cookbook called what's Gabby Cooking? Okay. She's in all their. She's in all their stuff. Anyway, they are. Are they still following each other? I don't think it. It clarifies for her. I don't know. So Gabby. I don't know. [00:15:13] Speaker B: I love that people did this. [00:15:14] Speaker A: Yes. Kelsey Dinahan. Don't know her. She's a makeup artist for them. Ashley Tisdale is still following her on Instagram. Not sure if it's mutual. And all the other girls. Haley Davidowitz. You don't know that name. I don't know that name. Still follows her. Amanda Kaplan. Still don't know her. Ashley follows her. And then a woman named Whitney Wagner Hartley, who is a content creator who has a son named Wilder. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Of course, one of them's named Ryder. One of them. I mean, come on. [00:15:44] Speaker C: Wilder. [00:15:44] Speaker A: Wilder. [00:15:45] Speaker C: Okay. [00:15:46] Speaker A: And then Ashley Tisdale no longer follows her on Instagram. [00:15:49] Speaker B: I mean, how far have we fallen from Lizzie McGuire and a walk to Remember? [00:15:54] Speaker C: Yes. [00:15:55] Speaker B: I mean, come on. [00:15:56] Speaker A: I know, I know. And somewhere Lindsay Lohan is like, yeah, I know. [00:16:00] Speaker B: She's like, I'm in Dubai and I'm not in a mom's room. [00:16:03] Speaker C: No. [00:16:03] Speaker A: She's like, I kicked that coke habit. I am doing well. [00:16:05] Speaker C: She's like, I own businesses. Y' all have kids. [00:16:08] Speaker A: This is how you party in Mykonos. [00:16:13] Speaker C: Trying to make a little comeback. [00:16:14] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:16:16] Speaker C: That's, like, about to come out. [00:16:17] Speaker B: Oh, maybe. I feel like she's always like, every couple years, she's like. Comes on. She's like, I'm a singer. [00:16:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:22] Speaker A: I think the thing that keeps her relevant is that clip from her, like, Today show performance in 2008 where she was giving us nothing. We'll post that to the art people. Be reminded. Yeah. So, yeah, that is what's kind of going on. Had you heard anything, like, different? [00:16:40] Speaker B: No, not. Not anything different. I mean, that was. I think I had read the Cut mag. The Cut and that came up on. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Your newsfeed and you said I was in it. Yes. [00:16:50] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I am not a Hillary Duff fan. [00:16:53] Speaker A: I'm not. Not a Hillary Duff fan, but I don't pay attention to what she's doing. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I just don't pay attention. [00:17:00] Speaker C: We grew up with her. [00:17:00] Speaker A: We grew up with her. And I like Lindsay. I like Lizzie McGuire. [00:17:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:03] Speaker B: I liked Liz McGuire. But honestly, though, I felt like even then, I was, like, not Lizzie McGuire, but Hillary Duff was not a girls girl. Do you know what I mean? Like, but I. It, man. I went to that movie. Are you kidding me? [00:17:15] Speaker C: Loved it. [00:17:16] Speaker A: The Lizzie McGuire movie? [00:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:17:18] Speaker C: Where's Miranda and Gordo? [00:17:21] Speaker A: I feel like there is a theory that, like. Like, the Leilani, I think, was that actress's name who played the best friend. She's actually, like, a really good vocalist and, like, I think, entertainer. But I think I've heard rumors that, like, back then, like, Disney, the powers to be at Disney were like, there can only be one. And so they, like, shelved Leilani from, like, being able to, you know, progress. Progress and get more exposure from a musical perspective. And they prioritized Hillary Dellerie, and that is how we got. Come clean. Let's go back. [00:17:58] Speaker C: Yes. [00:17:58] Speaker B: I don't remember that at all. [00:17:59] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Album of regulation, I think Come clean, like, was out, like, when we were. I was, like, a junior in high school, and I was like, all right, girls, that's fine. [00:18:08] Speaker C: I guess this is what we got. [00:18:11] Speaker B: Thanks. [00:18:12] Speaker A: Thanks. So, yeah, so that's going on. Watch this space. We need to absolutely see what's going on. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Okay. I also saw this really interesting article, and it is crazy as hell. It's called the Rise and Fall of the Millennial Power Lunch by Ellen Cushing, and it was in the Atlantic. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Okay. [00:18:29] Speaker A: But really, I mean, I. The image. I should have. The image for the article should have told me what it was about, but really, it's about the rise and fall of Sweetgreens. Cultural dominance, specifically for millennials. Are you. I know. Are a huge fan. [00:18:42] Speaker C: I love Harvest Bowl Kill one. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Oh, I love a Harvest Bowl Potatoes, right? Yes, absolutely. Well, they're. They've fallen on hard times despite your support. [00:18:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:54] Speaker A: You've talked to me before here, recently about how there's been, like, a little bit of a turn away from, like, the bowl. The culinary. Right, right. [00:19:03] Speaker B: Even. Even from Chipotle. [00:19:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah. They're losing money. [00:19:06] Speaker A: Exactly. And I think the same thing is going on here. With sweet greens. So basically, go ahead. [00:19:10] Speaker B: But I also wonder, I mean, speaking of, like, you know, not that we were talking about that, but the RFK's food pyramid. Like, I think vegetarian vegan places are, like, struggling because Americans are like, we're gonna eat more red meat. [00:19:25] Speaker A: Well, this is basically, this article said something about, like, the person that was, like, going to their soul cycle class and hit the sweet green is now being like that, I need my beef tallow now. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:19:36] Speaker A: I know you got a lot of people like that going on. Not me, but a lot of other people. [00:19:41] Speaker C: I never thought that conservatives were going to Sweet Creek. Right. [00:19:46] Speaker A: I thought it was maybe closet conservatives, maybe like the city. Like, I want to be progressive in Obama's administration, but really I have conservative beliefs. Are going, you know. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Right. I mean, they're definitely going to Chipotle. [00:19:58] Speaker A: They're among us. [00:19:59] Speaker B: Even though they hate black and brown people. Yeah, yeah. [00:20:01] Speaker C: They're at Chipotle. [00:20:03] Speaker A: Give me that quesadilla. [00:20:04] Speaker C: Yes. [00:20:04] Speaker A: Yep. [00:20:05] Speaker C: Cava. Still slow slaps, though. [00:20:07] Speaker A: Cava does still slap. [00:20:10] Speaker C: They're opening up kavas. Oh, yeah, because there's one in. [00:20:13] Speaker A: There's one in wicker. [00:20:14] Speaker B: Oh, wicker. You know, I also love roti. [00:20:19] Speaker C: Legendary. [00:20:20] Speaker A: Let me get a rotate. I used to go to that roti over on K Street. [00:20:23] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes. [00:20:24] Speaker A: Lunchtime, I'd be like, give me that. [00:20:25] Speaker C: Little couscous standing a 45 minute line. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Give me. Give me a little lentil soup. It was great. Yeah, let's bring. Bring in more of those. But basically, this article's talking about how it was a culinary, fast, casual juggernaut of the 2000 and tens for young professional millennials during a more optimistic time. It was, like, aspirational. It was very much in the fold of, like, you know, you're upwardly mobile, you're working in a coastal city most of the time when it first came out. Right. And, like, you're doing your soul cycle. You're doing your thing. Like, this is kind of the vibe. Our dining habits have changed and our perception of sweetgreen has as well as a brand, a product, and due to its. Its. Its pricing. Now listen to this. The average price of a kale salad with chicken at Sweet green was roughly $8.85. [00:21:11] Speaker B: No. [00:21:12] Speaker A: 2014. Okay. [00:21:13] Speaker C: This sounds right, because I was going there, like three or four days. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Right. Wow. In 2014 and this week in some locations, it was more than $14.75, which is higher than even inflation can explain. [00:21:26] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Yes. So it's Just basically talking about how the brand is struggling for relevance. Like, recently they launched or announced that they be serving fries, which people were like, I don't get this. [00:21:40] Speaker C: No. [00:21:41] Speaker A: They have since, like, slashed the fry idea, but they're still, like, I think, clamoring for relevance. And to just illustrate that a little bit more, the share price was more than $43 a share at the end of 2024. And when this article was published, you know, here recently, it was $8. [00:22:01] Speaker B: Wow. [00:22:01] Speaker A: Isn't that crazy? [00:22:02] Speaker C: We might need to get some stuff. [00:22:03] Speaker B: I know. We might. We might need. Yeah, give them some ideas. Yes. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Yeah. So we just need to support. Support your local sweet grain. They need it. [00:22:14] Speaker C: I mean, remember when they took bacon off the menu? It was like a huge thing. [00:22:18] Speaker A: I don't remember that day. [00:22:19] Speaker C: At one point they took it off because they were like, this isn't healthy. And now they're. They got fries. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Now they're gonna be like, we make all these bowls with beef tallow. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. Oh, my God. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Crazy. [00:22:28] Speaker B: No seed oils. [00:22:29] Speaker C: No seed oils. [00:22:32] Speaker A: So that's my little hear ye, hear ye. Now, should we get into a little heated revelry, as I'll call it? Okay. This week we're talking about the cultural obsession everybody can't stop talking about. And if you have not figured it out by now, even when you clicked on this episode and you saw the title, I don't know what you're doing. You got to know what we're doing. We're talking about what is arguably the best show on television, Heated Rivalry ever. [00:22:57] Speaker B: Best show ever. [00:22:58] Speaker A: No notes. I mean, I'm not gonna argue that point with you. I'm not gonna debate it. [00:23:02] Speaker B: God. Gonna let it sit. [00:23:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:05] Speaker B: Let it marinate. [00:23:06] Speaker A: Er, The Pit. Yeah. Any show that you could think of. What are some other, like, succession. [00:23:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Scandal, the Wire. I'm on a rewatch of Scandal. [00:23:17] Speaker C: I like this better than Game of Thrones. Oh, me too. What? So popular. [00:23:20] Speaker A: Let's talk about it. [00:23:23] Speaker B: But I mean, some of the audience of Game of Thrones would never watch. [00:23:27] Speaker A: Because they have no taste. Yeah. [00:23:29] Speaker B: Okay. Heated rivalry. [00:23:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Is a Canadian. Of course. It's Canadian sports, romance, television. [00:23:36] Speaker A: We can only import taste. You understand that, right? We're importing taste. Tasteful things now. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Okay. It's based on Rachel Reed's Game Changers book series, particularly the novel Heated Rivalry. So I guess it is kind of based on a couple of the books, but mostly heated Rivalry. It blends hockey rivalry with a slow burn, queer love story between two. NHL or as they call it in the Story. MHL stars Shane Hollander. [00:24:05] Speaker A: You'll be hearing from our lawyers. [00:24:07] Speaker B: Yes. And Shane Hollander and Ilya Rosenoff, played by Hudson Williams and Connor Story, respectively. Angel babies. Both of them gifts from God. [00:24:19] Speaker A: I mean, I've never been more obsessed with a real. I've not been obsessed with a real person like this before. [00:24:24] Speaker B: Tears in her eyes. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I'm doing deep dives. I'm like, where are the YouTube interviews? What's going on? I know. And I feel like I've, like, let my friend group know enough about my interest. They're sending me material. [00:24:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:24:37] Speaker A: They're like, have seen this? Have you seen this? [00:24:39] Speaker C: You're in charge of this content. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Did you see Connor Story doing a dance to Madonna? [00:24:45] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:45] Speaker C: Oh, yes, yes, yes. [00:24:46] Speaker A: They played it at a gay club. Did you see that clip? [00:24:48] Speaker C: Yes. [00:24:49] Speaker A: It's like the DJ will play Like a Prayer, but play the video because, you know, the gays love a music video. [00:24:55] Speaker B: Oh, the gays love. [00:24:57] Speaker A: And there's like, Connor Story's video of him, like, lip syncing Like a Prayer. [00:25:01] Speaker C: They had a heated rivalry night at Scarlet A Bar and Boys Town. [00:25:04] Speaker B: They did. [00:25:04] Speaker C: And it was wrapped around the corner. [00:25:06] Speaker A: At like 6pm did you go? [00:25:09] Speaker C: I didn't go. [00:25:09] Speaker A: Okay. [00:25:10] Speaker B: I've heard that bars are doing this, like, binging all six episodes. Yes. [00:25:14] Speaker A: And people are screaming, I'll be in there. Like these Bears fans. Okay. Season two, episode one. I'm in there. [00:25:20] Speaker C: This is my playoff game. [00:25:21] Speaker B: Exactly. I don't give a About the playoffs. This is what I want to see. [00:25:26] Speaker A: No, I'm like, this is synergy for heated rivalry, baby. It's kind of sports. Yeah, it's sports. Yeah. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Okay. So anyway, the show was created, written and directed by Jacob Tierney. He was the aforementioned God that created these. I mean, amazing. [00:25:41] Speaker A: He read those pages and he was like, I got an. I got a vision. [00:25:44] Speaker C: He's like, I see source material here. Yeah. [00:25:47] Speaker B: So I mean, just. It was experts. Yes. So anyway, the show was released on November 28, 2025, with the finale airing on the day after Christmas on Canadian streamer Cray. But the show is also available on HBO Max here in the US and other international platforms. I think it was just released in the uk. Okay. They were for sure waiting. And either it's like, about to be like this next week or just released. [00:26:12] Speaker A: I'm sure somebody has released all the episodes on Tick Tock. Like, so somebody's like, sitting there clicking, like 254, like, stories, probably that if they don't live in the, you know, in a place where they can stream it. [00:26:24] Speaker B: I mean. Cause God. Okay, so what do y' all think? [00:26:30] Speaker A: Who wants to go first? Initial thoughts, Initial thoughts. [00:26:33] Speaker B: I will say that after I watched it, I was like, is there something wrong with me? Like, she was in tears, I was in tears. [00:26:40] Speaker A: And here's the thing, Ann. You were a little bit delayed in watching it. It's like, Jillian, you gonna watch it? You gonna watch it? And she was like, yeah, I gotta watch it. I'm gonna watch it. And then when she watched it, she was like, do you have a moment to talk about the show? We talk about the this. [00:26:52] Speaker B: I was like, I need your support. [00:26:53] Speaker A: She was crying. I was like, are you okay? [00:26:55] Speaker B: Like, sobbing. Sobbing. I swear. I was like, I. I mean, I was like, why am I so moved by this? But. And so I simultaneously felt like I was hungover and like I just got through a breakup. So like Sunday morning after I finished it, I did all the things that I did as a 21 year old hungover person. Yeah. I was like, I gotta get outside. I gotta drink some water. I gotta call phone a friend. [00:27:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I gotta get some sun. I got sure my therapy appointment is on the calendar. [00:27:25] Speaker B: On your calendar. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Because I got some things to talk through. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you and I were on the phone. I'm like, you were like, are you okay? I said, I was like, do you want to talk about that situationship from five years ago? All right. Do we have some lingering. [00:27:38] Speaker C: This is how it could have been. Do you want to talk through it? [00:27:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. Yeah, I. Okay. I had no. I think I had seen this book in like the book sphere. [00:27:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:51] Speaker A: I hadn't paid it much attention. I didn't even know a show was being released about it. It was through getting on social media and through like the pop culture, specifically like gay pop culture influencers. Like, his name is escaping me right now. Evan Ross Katz. Yeah, Evan Ross Katz. He does this thing where like, he will take screenshots from shows or movies and like, he'll put like the verbiage of things that are happening in different scenes. So like, you could read through some of like the highlights or like the crazy dialogue that's happening through characters. And he did this a couple times. And I was like, I think I may have sent one to you. And I was like, what the fuck is going on here? What show is this? [00:28:31] Speaker C: Because it was like sexuality forward. [00:28:33] Speaker A: Yes. [00:28:34] Speaker C: So we were like, wait, what? This is on hbo? [00:28:35] Speaker A: Yeah. It was like when Ilya's like, take off your pants, you know. And I said, well, let me cue this up. What is going on? The boys are doing. Exactly. And so, and then I remember just seeing like here and there, like you know, gay men in my life, close friends at a distance, talking about it. I think Kevin texted me one day. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Trying to like make a connection because he's like, it's. I'm going through it, I'm going through it like emotionally. I like, I don't know, I'm in my feels about it. And I was like, I've got to catch up on this. [00:29:06] Speaker B: And Clark mentioned it at your birthday, Nathan. And. Yes. And I don't know if it hadn't come out yet. [00:29:11] Speaker A: No. Because it came out November 28th. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So he was like talking about it and that's the first time I, I ever, I ever heard about it. [00:29:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy. And so I fired it up over Christmas break. [00:29:24] Speaker C: Yes. [00:29:24] Speaker A: And I was back there in my parents guest room in like in. I. Well, here's the thing, you know, my mom and I are thick as thieves. Things like this would not like, you know, whatever we watch it. She was dragging her feet and I said, girl, I got to get after it. So you know, you're on your own. I went back there, I queued up episode one. I was like, this is a personal journey. This is a personal journey that we're on. Wish you well, but this is a personal journey. [00:29:48] Speaker B: Solo journey. [00:29:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So I got watching this together. Exactly. So I got through like the first three episodes. The holidays were going on around that time. I think the final episode had been released. And then like a couple nights later when I had some time to myself, I fired up like episode four at like 11pm I was in the kitchen at 2:30 in the morning making a snack because I was like, I'm deep in an emotional place like through in episode five. And I was like, I need to gear up, up with the right sustenance to get through this. [00:30:20] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:30:21] Speaker A: And I, I think I told you. And we both felt the same way about like the first half of the show. Episodes one through three, episodes four through six was like a rocket ship for me. Like that is what deeply entrenched me in the show. And so I walked away from it being like obsessed. [00:30:38] Speaker B: It was like there's like in my life, it's like before HR and after HR. Yeah. I mean 100. [00:30:44] Speaker A: Where were you? [00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I know. Where are you in this? [00:30:48] Speaker C: I think for me I liked the first three episodes, but I was like, is there more to this? Is these relationships gonna have a little bit more depth? [00:30:56] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:30:57] Speaker C: These sex scenes are hot, but also, like, do these people like each other? But I feel like they did start to mature, and it became real for me in those later episodes. [00:31:07] Speaker A: You bring up a really good point, because I think we were texting about this on my way home last week because I was like, in the later episodes, it doesn't detract from the show for me, but, like, one thing that, like. And I've said this a couple times, it's like. And it's not just this show, it happens in other shows when two characters are like, you know, in this, there's like this long years, long situationship. And then suddenly the characters are like, I'm madly in love with you. And they have this exchange of, I'm madly in love with you. There's only you. I want this. And then in the next scene, it'll be like, so you got two siblings and your mom, she's Japanese. [00:31:42] Speaker C: They don't know each other's names. What's your last. [00:31:47] Speaker A: And so that, to me is a little bit, like, takes me out of the fantasy a little bit. Because my realistic mind is like, okay, well, this would. This would not feel great because it's like, realistically. [00:31:57] Speaker B: Right. [00:31:57] Speaker A: We're operating off of lust and not really love. But you made an interesting point that's like, from an audience perspective, we don't necessarily care about that. When watching these shows. [00:32:07] Speaker B: We. [00:32:08] Speaker A: We don't want to see the mundane development of, like, true romance. We're like, we want. Want friends with benefits who fall madly in love with each other. [00:32:16] Speaker C: I also found myself viewing this through the lens of, like, long situationships in my 20s. [00:32:21] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:21] Speaker C: Which was traumatic. Me too. [00:32:23] Speaker A: No, absolutely. Let's get into it. Yes, me too. I saw an interesting post on social media where somebody was like, remember sisters? [00:32:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:32] Speaker A: They are in a situationship because they are two gay men in a, like, masculine, dominated sport that would be detrimental to their, like, their personal, professional, and financial. Financial lives if they came out. You're in a situationship because you're a dumbass. And I was like, read me that, Dusty boyfriend. [00:32:51] Speaker C: They're rich. Like, yes, I'm sad and broke. [00:32:54] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:55] Speaker C: Different. [00:32:55] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. I'm like, I. I wish my situationships in my twenties could have looked like this, but my situations were just mired in. In negativity. [00:33:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:08] Speaker A: And that's the thing about this. I think I talked to you about this is. It's like, okay, it's fine to have a situationship. Like, we know the reason for it. It spans, like, over a decade, what have you. But the common theme was that it was rooted in respect. Like, there was no. There was no point in which another person was, like, breadcrumbing or ghosting the other person. There was clarity and communication about what was going on. [00:33:31] Speaker B: And I mean, I think particularly for women that in the, you know, millennial women who had these, like, situationships, in the rise of, like, Ashton Kutcher's fucking friends with benefits and all of that, it was like the women had to do the emotional labor of being, like, giving the ultimat and being like, okay, we need to, like, either do this or I'm gone. Yeah. You know, and so in this, watching this, women were like, I don't. I don't have to. There are no women that I identify that with that are doing the labor. [00:33:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:01] Speaker B: And so wasn't like, that weird, like, gender power differential that was. Yeah. That existed for many of us. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Sure. [00:34:08] Speaker C: That's why that relationship worked for me, though. Because they're equals. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Yes. [00:34:11] Speaker C: Yes. I don't like power dynamics, which is why I, like, have issues with the other relationship, Kip, and. [00:34:16] Speaker A: And. Oh, that's a total Scott Hunter. Yum. [00:34:19] Speaker C: There's like a wealth inequality situation going on here, and that makes me really uncomfortable. But I was fine with the main couple. [00:34:27] Speaker A: They. [00:34:27] Speaker C: They made sense to me. [00:34:28] Speaker B: They were so even. Yeah. And Kip and Christopher, it was like, kind of like he was a. Kip was like a kept man. You know, he was, like, buying him a tuxedo. [00:34:35] Speaker A: He's, like, doing smoothies. Then he's a cater waiter, like, hot and fun. [00:34:38] Speaker C: But also, somebody go get him. [00:34:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. He was, like, probably tipping him a hundred dollars, like, for soup smoothie. I didn't like that. [00:34:45] Speaker A: Yeah, it was rough. And then being like, don't leave this condo. I swear to God, that was so weird. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Like, they kept talking about serial killers, and I was like, I actually would be like, I'm afraid. [00:34:55] Speaker A: Uhhuh. [00:34:56] Speaker C: But that fear wasn't here, which is probably why it's fun. Which is probably why people were totally. [00:35:01] Speaker B: Totally. [00:35:01] Speaker C: We weren't really afraid that something like that would. [00:35:04] Speaker B: Right, right. We knew. [00:35:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:06] Speaker B: That this is. This is not the turn it was going to take. Yeah. [00:35:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And speaking of that, just generally across the entire series, one comment thing that I've continued to hear from everybody that watches the show, but particularly, like, gay male friends, is that it's just so refreshing to watch a show where the characters in the love story isn't tragic. [00:35:25] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:35:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:35:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:28] Speaker B: Like, yeah, I mean, I was looking at that because I was thinking about that. You know, I took that like queer cinema class in college. [00:35:34] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I know. [00:35:37] Speaker B: So. But I was thinking about that because I was like, okay. You know, I remember as a kid, like, you know, people were like, oh, Philadelphia was this like, you know, it was like a major emotional tragic. Yeah. And then there was like. And then I remember, like, that was like 93. And then I don't remember until like 2008. I looked it up. Milk, you know, and all of these actors, all of these gay characters were played by straight actors. Like, that was never a thing, but it was always tragic and about. It was about like, you know, which of course that story needs to be told, but it was never joyful and happy. [00:36:14] Speaker C: Yeah. It's kind of like how like all the Oscar winning black roles are always like sex workers slaves or like thugs. [00:36:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:24] Speaker C: It's like the same energy. Like, we only like gay people when they're a little sad. [00:36:27] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. When they're like losing friends and. Yeah, it's terrible. [00:36:31] Speaker A: I saw this person say, I, like, I'm just so happy for the. The youth that have this as material to watch as of age and they're like coming into their themselves. This person was like, I had Glee. [00:36:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:45] Speaker A: It's true. [00:36:47] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:36:48] Speaker A: Justin was like, yeah, my friend Justin was like, I had Bill and Grace. [00:36:52] Speaker C: Yes. [00:36:55] Speaker B: No, I mean, I did. Somebody online said like, heated rivalry is going to save lives. And that's not being hyperbolic. It's true. [00:37:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:03] Speaker B: And I also, like, I read this thing that was like Schitt's Creek. So he did. Rivalry could run absolutely like that. In Schitt's Creek, that one episode where Patrick sings that Turner, the Tina Turner song to him. I lost it. [00:37:21] Speaker C: Yes. [00:37:21] Speaker B: And that's exactly like the feeling I got. But even like times 10, I mean. [00:37:26] Speaker C: I find it kind of like a fairy tale. [00:37:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:29] Speaker C: Like the scene where they're looking at each other in the club. [00:37:33] Speaker A: Okay, no, we need to take like 10 minutes for this because I'm still there. [00:37:37] Speaker C: That's when I was like, back in me too. Like, I'm in it. But you know what it reminds me of? The dance of the gym from west side Story when they see each other and they fall in love. It's. I mean, of course it's. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But no, yeah, yeah, but it has. [00:37:50] Speaker C: That Same sort of theatricality. [00:37:52] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:37:53] Speaker C: And I was like, gay people deserve this. [00:37:54] Speaker A: They deserve it. There were so many choices made for that entire scene, specifically the music. Like, I think I was telling Jillian, like, I. I hadn't heard that song in so many years. But I remember when I was in high school, there was so much controversy around that song by tattoo, because you remember it. [00:38:12] Speaker C: I went back and looked. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Okay. [00:38:14] Speaker C: Like death threats. [00:38:15] Speaker A: Death threats. It was crazy back then. It was crazy. [00:38:18] Speaker C: Radio. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Like, it was insane because it was. [00:38:21] Speaker B: A female singing about a female. [00:38:23] Speaker A: It was. Yeah. It was like lesbian. It was about a lesbian relationship. [00:38:26] Speaker C: There's a kiss in the actual music. [00:38:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:27] Speaker C: I think MTV and some other stations would remove that. [00:38:31] Speaker A: Yes, they did. I remember that is wild. [00:38:33] Speaker B: When. [00:38:34] Speaker A: What year was like 2003. [00:38:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:36] Speaker A: Yeah. I asked my friend Justin about it and he's a little bit older. He was like, I didn't come out until 2005. And I remember that whole moment because it was. Yeah, it was like a whole thing. It's crazy. So I thought that that was an interesting choice. But I also, I mean, thinking back on like the situationships of our twenties, I resonated with that entire scene. [00:38:57] Speaker C: I felt it. [00:38:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:58] Speaker A: No, where you have been when you have been in a space. And there's something about the fact. Okay. That these two characters are so enmeshed with each other specifically. I thought it was interesting with Ilya, specifically. Because the people that he saw that indicated that. That Shane was. There are people that he had to only have seen and known through his own stalking of Shane and Rose's relationship. [00:39:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:22] Speaker A: Which we've all been there. I have been deep in somebody, social media, his research. I know close friends, cousins, whatever. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Cousins, for sure. [00:39:31] Speaker A: I know it. [00:39:31] Speaker B: Places. [00:39:32] Speaker A: And so when they were in there and Ilya was at the bar and he looked over and saw Miles, which we'd never even seen Miles at that point. No. I think maybe brief dinner. [00:39:40] Speaker C: Miles was putting in work. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Miles wanted it. [00:39:42] Speaker C: Miles said, I came in for something. [00:39:44] Speaker B: How did he not know that he was gay with. Miles was like, kissing. [00:39:47] Speaker A: I know. I said, I'm like, all right, sure. But when Ilya looks across the bar and sees Miles and he. You could see it on his face. He's like, I. He's here. And then Shane is dancing and he looks over and sees Ilya's teammate. [00:40:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:05] Speaker A: And the two of them have this like, like knowledge, like this knowing that the other is in room and they start like looking for each other. I, the, the, the, the stress in my chest. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Anxiety. Yes. Yeah. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Oh, my God. But I did want to be that girl that Ilya was eating her ear off in the club. I said, I'll be it. [00:40:23] Speaker B: I don't even care if it was like, that was formative. It was like, oh, as if this were you. [00:40:28] Speaker A: He could have been like, later in the night. He could have been like, I was just trying to, like, make a boy jealous. That's fine. I got what I needed to go home. We can go on. We can really make him together. But that scene was just so good. The colors, the way it was shot, the tension. Excellent. [00:40:49] Speaker B: That's what I mean. Jacob Tierney is like a genius. Like, he just. He was very detailed about everything with this, and it was just. It was so good. Yeah. [00:40:58] Speaker C: Was that the. That was the fourth episode, right? [00:41:01] Speaker A: That was the fifth episode. [00:41:02] Speaker B: Wait, no, that was the fourth, I think. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Was it? [00:41:04] Speaker B: Because it was like that. [00:41:05] Speaker A: Yes, it was the fourth. [00:41:06] Speaker B: Rose. [00:41:06] Speaker A: It was Rose. It was the fourth episode. [00:41:08] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes, yes. [00:41:10] Speaker A: Also in that episode. Okay. Yes, Also episode. I think this is really interesting. I think I've talked about it to you. Inside conversation. In that episode, after the club, they go home together and they obviously have, like, very boring vanilla sex. Shane does not want to be there. [00:41:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:27] Speaker C: It wasn't like vanilla to me. His heart wasn't in it. [00:41:30] Speaker B: His heart was not in it. I don't. I don't think. I don't think anything was in it. [00:41:34] Speaker A: No, it felt really. It felt bad. And I'm like, oh, God, I've been there too. I've been in Rose's position. [00:41:40] Speaker B: Jesus. [00:41:40] Speaker C: Especially in comparison to him and Ilya, like, watching the sort of just like energy. [00:41:44] Speaker B: It's like magic. [00:41:45] Speaker A: It's like magic. I thought it was very interesting when Rose has a sit down conversation with Shane. [00:41:52] Speaker C: Loved it. Great scene. [00:41:53] Speaker A: It was great. But I told Jillian that I'm like, I wish that that was realistic for how a, like, straight, like a man that is holding strong to the, like, shield of heterosexual. I'm a heterosexual male athlete. Would behave when confronted by a woman that she has questions and doubts about his sexuality. Because I see that going down a lot differently. [00:42:21] Speaker C: But that's why this show is like optimism porn to me. [00:42:24] Speaker B: Totally, totally. [00:42:25] Speaker C: This is the best case scenario for your relationship with your parents with, like, your relationship, your best girlfriend situation. [00:42:33] Speaker A: It was such a dream. [00:42:34] Speaker C: It's like, this is the best thing. [00:42:35] Speaker A: It was a bomb in all these. [00:42:37] Speaker B: Wish fulfillment for sure. [00:42:39] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Because I went into that stress when she started being like, do you like this? [00:42:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:43] Speaker A: Are you? I was like, I. I'm in real life. A man would start, like, throwing tables. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Oh. [00:42:48] Speaker C: I was like, he'd be flipped some tables. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:42:51] Speaker B: Yeah. All the while knowing he's gay. [00:42:53] Speaker A: Yeah. And looking at her being like, no, you just suck in bed. You know what I mean? [00:42:56] Speaker B: For sure. [00:42:57] Speaker A: And I think it's because it's optimism porn, like you said, but also just the character Shane wouldn't act like that. [00:43:03] Speaker B: The character, Yeah, I mean, definitely that character. But, like, that's what I kind of came away with is like, there was so much vulnerability in this show. And I was thinking about it because, like, after I. After I saw it, I'm like, people are obsessed. Like, this is like a huge thing. People are still obsessed. And so I was like, really interested in why that is. Right. Like, you know, I remember watching Schitt's Creek and Ted Lasso and like all those shows, shows that people were obsessed, but not to this level. And I was thinking about, like, you know, so my job, like every day I'm like, bearing witness to feelings. Like people having different feelings. And I think for me watching this, I was like, no notes. They're doing it right. You know what I mean? Like, they are connecting. They are co regulating. And it was just like so powerful to see because I was like, I wouldn't. If I were the therapist, I was wouldn't. I wouldn't have any notes. [00:43:57] Speaker A: Yeah, you'd be like, you're paying me for nothing. [00:43:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:59] Speaker C: That conversation with Rose, Is that her name? [00:44:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:02] Speaker B: Rose. [00:44:02] Speaker C: Yeah. She, like relinquished her control. Like, she. She was like, this is not really about me. Let's just talk about how you feel. [00:44:12] Speaker B: And like, who you are, which is. [00:44:14] Speaker C: Actually like a really hard skill, especially in a romantic relationship. [00:44:17] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. And not to get like, defensive about, like, well, you don't like me or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Just. Great. Wonderful. I'd also like to talk a little bit about the importance of straight audiences seeing more gay sex. [00:44:34] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. 100%. [00:44:37] Speaker C: I guess you wouldn't know how it works if you're not like, watching. [00:44:40] Speaker A: I have said this. I'm embarrassed to say this. There is. It was into the 2010s before I had seen a sex scene between gay men that wasn't. And what is the pervasive image of gay male sex, which is one man bending another one over and, like, not leaving any room for romance or intimacy, but making it very, like, you know, animal. [00:45:02] Speaker B: No eye contact, right? [00:45:04] Speaker A: No. And I just Find it. So it's so important for straight people to see, like, intimacy and closeness and different, like, different ways in which. Which men can be physical together in a show. It's educational to me. [00:45:21] Speaker B: For sure. [00:45:22] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Like, I. And I. And I liked it because I'm like this. For people that don't see it, it just, like, it brings in another, like, element. [00:45:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Another way of understanding. Understanding that it's like. Rather than. Because that was on purpose, that there weren't. We weren't seeing that at all. You know, but this is like a. Like, human. This is human love and connection, right? [00:45:44] Speaker A: Yes. [00:45:44] Speaker C: Yeah. I found myself so jealous of, like, teenagers that we had. [00:45:48] Speaker B: Yes. [00:45:49] Speaker C: I don't even know the first time I saw really, like, queer sex. Have no idea. But, I mean, probably it was not as sensitive and caring as what we saw. [00:45:58] Speaker A: No. Oh, my God. [00:46:00] Speaker B: I mean, that's why it's gonna save lives. [00:46:01] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And like, regardless of sexual orientation the first time, like, the. In the initial times that Shane and Ilya are physical with each other. Other, there's so much communication and consent. [00:46:14] Speaker C: Yes. [00:46:14] Speaker A: Shared between both. And I'm like. I know for a fact that's not. That wasn't my experience. No. [00:46:21] Speaker C: They. They portray Ilya as sort of like, I don't know, like, not rude, but just. You're surprised, right? Like, can I do this? [00:46:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:46:31] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:32] Speaker B: Yes. And he continues to do it too. [00:46:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:34] Speaker C: And it doesn't make him seem, like, less powerful. [00:46:37] Speaker A: No. Oh, no. It actually makes him hotter. [00:46:40] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:46:40] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yes. [00:46:41] Speaker B: You're like. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. [00:46:43] Speaker C: It's like people think sometimes consent conversations, though, are, like, unsexy. [00:46:46] Speaker B: Right, right. That it's like more like transactional. And we're like. But it's like, no, no, no. [00:46:51] Speaker A: It was a master. [00:46:53] Speaker B: It's safety, and then it's opening up. You know what I mean? [00:46:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:57] Speaker B: In many ways, you can get a. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Lot more from people if you acted that way. [00:47:00] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:47:01] Speaker A: If you communicated and you show you were consensual. Oh, God. My God. [00:47:06] Speaker C: Also, the way that they shifted, like, sexual positions. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:47:10] Speaker C: Like, it wasn't like the most masculine person is the one that's always topping. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:15] Speaker C: Which is rare. [00:47:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:17] Speaker C: Like TV or even porn. [00:47:18] Speaker B: I love this perspective because I felt that way too. And I was like, it. There definitely is, like, more of a balance of power in so many different ways. And so that's like. That's great to hear that. That's. Yeah, that's true. That's experienced by everybody. [00:47:32] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Family dynamics. In the show were also very interesting. [00:47:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Do you want to. [00:47:39] Speaker C: I found Kip's dad so beautiful. [00:47:42] Speaker A: Oh, so beautiful. An unsung king. Love him. [00:47:45] Speaker C: He's like, so. I mean, my parents are great, but I was like, this is like next level sensitivity care. Honestly, the most unrealistic part of this. [00:47:56] Speaker A: Yeah, probably. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Probably. Yeah, I did see something. Wait, I wanna keep going. [00:48:01] Speaker A: So sweet. I think a lot of people resonated with Kip's dad and they resonate with all the parents. Well, I mean, except for Ilya's, but just in terms of. Of just how they responded with like, love and care and, you know, just joy throughout the. Throughout the show. [00:48:20] Speaker B: Somebody said Kip's dad and Shane's dad are the sincerest form of an apology to generation of kids traumatized by their own fathers. And it's true. [00:48:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:48:29] Speaker C: Even the way that Hudson's mom apologized to him. [00:48:35] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, Yeah. I was like, I know. [00:48:39] Speaker C: Couldn't believe it. [00:48:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I. That. And that was like, again, like, her vulnerability being like, wait, I'm sorry that you felt like you couldn't say something. Yeah. [00:48:48] Speaker C: And you could still see that she was like, trying to understand and like, just come to terms with this new piece of information. But she didn't throw him under the bus in order to do that. [00:48:57] Speaker B: Totally, totally. Yeah. [00:48:59] Speaker A: The most. The biggest tension that was shot in that show was when the boys were returning from the lake at the cabin. Yeah. And that, dad, was the way he. [00:49:10] Speaker C: Jumped in that BMW. [00:49:11] Speaker A: He said, see ya. And I felt like Shane's response is absolutely how my response would be, where I'd be like, this is my worst nightmare. I don't know what to do. Like, he was like, this is my. I don't know what to do. This is my worst nightmare. And you did as an audience, before you knew kind of the outcome, because everybody was like, we're going to the cabin. Then they told you what happened at the cabin, but you. I mean, I was like, oh, my God, what is going. What's gonna happen here? [00:49:37] Speaker B: And that's what I mean, I think when I'm like, I think about co regulation because the way that Ilya handled that and then being like, yeah, of course I'm going with you. [00:49:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:45] Speaker B: Like, what are you talking. You know, of course I am. [00:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:48] Speaker B: And it just is like, oh, my God. [00:49:50] Speaker A: A lot of people are laughing at when they're getting out of the car. Shane's like, maybe you should stay here. And Ilya like, looks at him like, he Raises his eyebrows. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Like, he's like, what are you talking about? [00:49:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:00] Speaker A: Just the best interaction between those two. But Ilya, for his part, had really. I was very interested in the friction that existed for Ilya in his personal life with his family. Yeah. [00:50:16] Speaker C: I found that part of the show the most confusing for me. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Was it okay. [00:50:19] Speaker C: Because it's like, I, like, needed to know that could have been the whole show. Honestly, I, like, couldn't quite understand. [00:50:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Expanded a lot more. Yeah. [00:50:28] Speaker A: I feel like maybe in future seasons, it will be. I have friends that read the book and, like, mention just, I think, a little bit of that journey for Ilya. I don't know. [00:50:39] Speaker B: I mean, I was confused because, like, it was like, the dad was like this, like. Like, strict sports dad, but then all of a sudden, he had dementia, you know, and he had cognitive issues. And so that was, like, kind of confusing. And then, I mean, we have to, at some point, talk about the fucking monologue. [00:50:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, the monologue was fantastic. Fantastic. [00:50:59] Speaker B: But, like, even when he talked about, like, oh, you know, I pay for everything. I buy them food, and then basically said, like, I love Svetlana and she loves me, there wasn't much, like, there wasn't enough context for me in terms of, like, him. Him mentioning that. Right. Like, we got a lot more of Shane's family, I feel like, than. Than Ilya's family. [00:51:21] Speaker C: Was Ilya's brother, like, resentful of him? Him. [00:51:25] Speaker A: It felt that way for just being. [00:51:27] Speaker C: Like, a famous hockey player. [00:51:29] Speaker B: I think it was also. I think it was also because he was gay. [00:51:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:32] Speaker B: But he used. [00:51:33] Speaker A: He used the F bomb way too many times. My comfort. [00:51:36] Speaker C: But I noticed that Ilia didn't respond to that part of the sentence, which made me think it's just, like, how they speak to each other. He wasn't like, oh, my God, I can't believe he called me that. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Well, and then he says something at one point where he's just, like, his brother's always hated him. Like, even from a young age, he had mentioned that, like, something surrounding his mother. [00:51:53] Speaker C: I was like, the brother was like, you got a good deal going. [00:51:55] Speaker B: You know, it's like chilling at home. [00:51:56] Speaker C: Somebody's paying you to be here. [00:51:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:51:59] Speaker B: I definitely think it was, like, both about that and, yeah, I thought they were gonna come out, like, when he. When they were at the cottage scene and they were, like, out by the fire, he started to say something about his mom. He was, like, talking about how his mom passed away, but then he was, like, about to say Something. And then the loon, which I thought was like, such a good little detail, but so I wonder if we're gonna explore that more. Basically, like he blames himself in some way, and then that might tie into the brother. I don't know. [00:52:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I just like that it just gave him just a little bit more richness and depth and the reason for why he was the way that he was. But I do. I mean, I do want to see more. More of that. [00:52:40] Speaker C: Me too. [00:52:41] Speaker A: When he was in Russia on the phone, I was like, baby, your phone's tapped. Oh, get off the phone. [00:52:46] Speaker C: Get out of there. [00:52:46] Speaker A: Get off the phone. [00:52:47] Speaker C: Is this a burger phone? [00:52:48] Speaker B: I mean, I know those glasses are. [00:52:50] Speaker A: But like, I was like, baby, it's the Kremlin. The Kremlin is listening. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. I know, I know. They took a chance. [00:52:57] Speaker A: He did. I did laugh out loud because there was something where he was like, I can't. Like, if we do this, I can't go back. And Shane said something and Ilya was like, taraja, basically, like, can never go home again. [00:53:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Which. [00:53:12] Speaker A: I mean, is it a loss? It's fine. [00:53:14] Speaker C: He doesn't seem to have much there besides his brother, who he's not speaking to. [00:53:17] Speaker B: Right. At this point. Yeah. I think it was about the dad. But you know what? I did see somebody goes, you know what? I just realized that Ilia, by, like, getting together with. With Shane, can no. Never go back and see his mom's grave. [00:53:32] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:53:32] Speaker A: I was like, oh, God, it's hard. It's hard. [00:53:37] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:53:38] Speaker A: I mean, I would never want to go back to Russia. I'd be like, girl, love you. [00:53:41] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I. [00:53:42] Speaker C: They found their plan for how they're going to continue the story. I know a little. [00:53:49] Speaker A: I was like, so you're real pie in the sky. [00:53:50] Speaker C: Yeah. So you're moving teams. [00:53:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:53] Speaker C: Also, like, y' all are rich. [00:53:54] Speaker A: Just take a flight, right? [00:53:56] Speaker B: Totally. Yeah. Montreal and Boston are, what, like, five hour drive? I mean. [00:54:00] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not. That's not far, right? [00:54:02] Speaker A: No, I don't think I. Who knows? I'm not great at North American geography. [00:54:06] Speaker C: It's over there. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's up there. [00:54:09] Speaker B: It's up there. There. [00:54:10] Speaker A: Yeah. That's where I was saying it. The girls in the show talked a little bit about Rose. Loved her. Svetlana also loved her personally. Love to see some representation on screen number one. Love it. Love with, you know, brown girls need to see themselves represent. [00:54:27] Speaker C: I. I was. I was like, is she brown? [00:54:31] Speaker B: I I had that same question. I know. [00:54:33] Speaker A: Ask you this. [00:54:34] Speaker C: Did I? I'm gonna ask Christian. [00:54:36] Speaker A: Like, I was like, not. Not black. [00:54:37] Speaker C: I couldn't tell, like, what her. [00:54:39] Speaker A: I think she's biracial. [00:54:41] Speaker C: But she's from Russia, right? [00:54:42] Speaker A: I think so. [00:54:43] Speaker C: I, like, found myself confused. [00:54:45] Speaker A: I've looked her up. Race in Russia, but I think that she. I think she's black. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think. [00:54:50] Speaker B: Because I think their hair is giving. Russian. Oh. I mean. Yeah. I think there are some Russian, like, skin tones that are like that. That are. I mean. I don't know. [00:54:59] Speaker A: I was black. I talked about this before. I've looked at black Russians before, and the only thing that comes up, I. Or drinks. [00:55:05] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:55:06] Speaker A: So. Because I'm curious, I'm like, what's going on with our people over there? [00:55:09] Speaker C: Yes, but. [00:55:10] Speaker A: So she's got some story to tell her. At the time that I looked, her. Her Wikipedia was scant. [00:55:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:16] Speaker A: So it didn't tell me much about, like, what the background is. But as of right now, I'm sticking by the fact that she's our fellow. Our fellow black girl. Yeah, she was. [00:55:25] Speaker C: So she, like, definitely knew more about. [00:55:29] Speaker B: Oh for. Yeah. [00:55:29] Speaker C: But was trying to figure out the best way. Way to, like, talk him through these different topics. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:34] Speaker C: She was, like, with him, but he wasn't there yet. [00:55:36] Speaker A: No, he wasn't there. So when she was like, I hope that Jane knows how lucky she is, I was like, that lucky he is. Yeah. Lucky he is. [00:55:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, all right, let's do this. What's going on? [00:55:51] Speaker B: She totally knew. Even in that scene in the limo. And she's like, oh, yeah. Not like, you love Jane. Like, I. She knew. [00:55:57] Speaker A: Yeah. She. Shane's so hot, don't you think? And he'd be like, I don't care. She's like, you know, he's attractive. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Well, like, they grew up together, right? And, like, she brought him to the. Like, that bathroom with the guy. Sasha. Yeah. So, like, she knew. [00:56:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well. And I was very confused in, like, the first episode or second episode, whenever he comes home and she's there in his jersey, and then he takes her down. I was like, you know, on one hand, I'm not sad at our girl getting some. Get some action. [00:56:25] Speaker C: I was confused, too. [00:56:27] Speaker B: I was very confused. [00:56:28] Speaker A: Yeah. But. But I was also like, what's going on here? What's the deal? [00:56:31] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen a show about the positive relationship of women in gay people's Lives. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [00:56:41] Speaker C: I guess you see it sometimes in AIDS era movies and shows because it's like, who takes care of them? But I've never seen it in this where there's a positive outcome which made me really happy, made me think of my girl. [00:56:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I know I'd be there. [00:56:55] Speaker B: I did read. I like just reading so much. So somebody online said gay men and straight women have finally achieved a state of symbiosis. And it's a beautiful biological synchronization, which I, like, love. [00:57:07] Speaker A: I've been trying for years. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:57:11] Speaker A: It's great. Yeah. This is the way. [00:57:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:15] Speaker A: The girls in. What was her name? Elena. Elena was great in Kip's life. [00:57:20] Speaker C: I do wish we could have seen how the gay men give. Give to them, though. Like, it felt like one sided. I mean, I don't think that that's how I would want to see more. [00:57:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I wonder if they'll explore that more. I mean, I hope for Svetlana she can move to the US I want. [00:57:38] Speaker A: Svetlana around all the time. I'm like, girl, yes. I mean, you know, even when he was doing that monologue and he was like, I. You know, I have Svetlana, he, like, smiled to himself. So I'm like, that's his girl. Let's just. Yeah, let's. More of her. More of her. [00:57:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Can we talk about when he says, like, he's gonna marry Svetlana? [00:58:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:58:02] Speaker C: I found his language. It's like he's trying to tell something, but it's encoded language. And I would be confused too. [00:58:10] Speaker B: Okay. Yes. Yeah. And Shane was like, definitely, like, wait, what? [00:58:13] Speaker C: Shane was not catching up on it, but Ilia kept going. So I was like, what are you trying to say? [00:58:18] Speaker B: Yeah, like, he was definitely saying, like, oh, I'm gonna do this as a cover for us. For us. But he wasn't saying that. Right. [00:58:24] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. [00:58:25] Speaker A: I think that's right. [00:58:26] Speaker C: I thought it was like him saying, like, we could get married. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Oh, I thought you. [00:58:30] Speaker A: He. [00:58:30] Speaker B: Okay. [00:58:31] Speaker C: He was almost like. Like, come on. Like, I might marry Svetlana. [00:58:36] Speaker B: Right. Wait, could they get married? [00:58:37] Speaker A: Well, see, I thought it was like more of the former where it was like, I'm gonna have to do this with Svetlana for a cover because I don't know what other option we have. [00:58:46] Speaker B: Right. [00:58:46] Speaker A: Because then that spur Shane to be like, here's our elaborate, like, five year plan. You know, I didn't. I didn't hear it. [00:58:54] Speaker C: As. [00:58:55] Speaker A: As, you know, we could get. We could we could do a little something. [00:58:58] Speaker C: I was confused about that. I was like, okay, marry her. I don't care. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Shane was like, not on my watch. [00:59:05] Speaker B: Oh, my God. And then he sat up at night thinking about that. The whole labor plan. [00:59:09] Speaker A: Yes, I know. [00:59:10] Speaker B: And then they said, I love you. [00:59:12] Speaker A: I know. And when Ilya said, my mom would. Would have loved you, like, I love you so, too. I. Now when I cried, that's when I, like, teared up. Yeah. [00:59:22] Speaker B: I mean, I was crying the whole. I was already just, like, was going through. Yeah. Oh, my God. [00:59:29] Speaker A: We talked a little bit about Ilya's brother, which I would consider a villain. Let's also talk about the teammate of Shane's who is the straight man with multiple babies and resents his life. What's his name? [00:59:44] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:59:44] Speaker A: Tanner. What's his name? [00:59:45] Speaker B: Something. Right. Ryder. [00:59:47] Speaker C: It's giving that. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Eric. Yeah. Chad. [00:59:49] Speaker C: Jay. [00:59:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. David, for sure. Trip Wilder. [00:59:55] Speaker B: Was it Tripp? No, I don't. [00:59:57] Speaker C: I don't know the role he played in this story. He just kind of, like, helped us learn more about the other characters. [01:00:02] Speaker B: Right, right. I think he also just, like, helped us basically, like, oh, be like, okay, you've got all of these hockey players that have wives and kids and stuff. And it was like, okay, like, sh. Shane is different. Right. And it was like, oh, Hayden. [01:00:18] Speaker C: Or maybe it's a way for us to, like, compare the relationship with Ilia because Shane's so kind of like, does not touch. It's, like, not close in that way. You can see how different it is with Ilya. [01:00:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think, like, it just. Yeah. They did a really great exploration of Shane, you know, and he is supposedly supposed to have autism. Right. And so these. He's sort of like, he's not understanding social cues in the way that maybe others are. But I think they did, like, even those scenes were like, oh, my God. That one scene where they're watching Ilia on the screen, Shane is at a friend's house, and, like, there were all these couples around. I was like, I've been there. When I wasn't interested in the sport. It was like, all couples around me. [01:01:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:04] Speaker B: But, like, I think that it was, like, to show that maybe. I don't know. [01:01:08] Speaker C: Okay, you said that the brother is the villain, but now I'm like, who is the villain? Is it us? Is it society? [01:01:15] Speaker A: Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:01:17] Speaker B: Conservatives. [01:01:18] Speaker C: Yeah, it's conservatives. [01:01:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:19] Speaker C: It's the community. [01:01:20] Speaker A: It's the community at large. [01:01:24] Speaker B: One more thing. Okay, so I Forbes, of all people Wrote an article. [01:01:29] Speaker A: They're like, get to the money. [01:01:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:33] Speaker B: They're like, I can see like, we need some clicks. [01:01:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So. [01:01:38] Speaker B: Okay. So they said they credited the series with changing the culture through soft power, which is influence without coercion. So by creating something that people admire, the. The series may expand empathy and normalize a new narrative that challenges homophobia and toxic masculinity, which. And. And an article in the New York Times said that the series might also change how welcome LGBTQ people feel in stereotypically masculine roles, which I was like, love it. [01:02:07] Speaker C: I found myself thinking about how we compare this to our political system right now. [01:02:13] Speaker B: Yes. [01:02:14] Speaker C: Maybe one of the things that will happen is we get all this representation of just soft connection, which is a positive belonging, vulnerability. [01:02:24] Speaker B: Crazy. Oh, my God. I love it. I mean, I think it's. I. I'm this piece of art. Like, I have never reacted to anything this way. Like, I have this. [01:02:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And I don't think anybody saw it coming either. [01:02:40] Speaker C: I had no idea. I had never heard about this until someone told me to watch it. [01:02:43] Speaker A: And what's crazy is these boys, like, Connor on his, like, press run, which. I'd like to talk about that in a minute. He's like, I was waiting tables eight months ago until I got the call for this, and now he's like. He's like, if this didn't pop off the way that it has, I was completely looking for a new job. Like, can you imagine if we. We never got this. This is crazy. [01:03:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:04] Speaker A: It's wonderful. [01:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:06] Speaker A: I'm really excited about what this means for everybody. [01:03:09] Speaker B: Oh, my God. And people. Yeah. Are already. Somebody was talking about how, like. Yeah, it's supposed to come out, like, ne early next year, so they're going to start doing, like, hot ones and all of that, like, around. [01:03:20] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:03:21] Speaker C: Good. [01:03:21] Speaker A: Okay, great. [01:03:22] Speaker B: And then it's going to, like, be. Maybe it'll drop, like, around Christmas. [01:03:26] Speaker A: Okay. The gift that keeps on giving. [01:03:28] Speaker C: We have two more seasons that are coming, right? [01:03:30] Speaker A: Yeah. They signed on for two more seasons. [01:03:31] Speaker C: Next two years, I'll be. [01:03:33] Speaker A: I'll be there every Christmas. You're going to call and be like, there's a heated rivalry night at Splash and I'm going to be like, I'm there. [01:03:39] Speaker C: I'm glad we have this. Look forward to and not, like, Wicked part three. [01:03:43] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I know this. [01:03:46] Speaker C: At the Aribo press tour. Oh, my God. [01:03:49] Speaker A: No, it's time for that to go. [01:03:50] Speaker B: That is. [01:03:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:03:53] Speaker B: There was a little bit too much of that. [01:03:54] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:03:55] Speaker B: And then after I saw Wicked too, like, sorry, I'm not looking forward to a Wicked three. [01:03:58] Speaker A: It wasn't great. No. [01:04:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:02] Speaker A: This show, I don't know. I know, Jillian, that you are elite in your avoidance of social media for the most part. I don't think Nathan and I. I don't think Nathan and I could say the same. [01:04:16] Speaker C: I don't think I knew this about you. I mean, you have Instagram though. [01:04:18] Speaker B: I have Instagram, but like, I don't. Yeah, I mean, I get on for like very specific, like if Deidre sends me something. But like, I think like, you know, I feel really bad, but people like either friend me or I have like a message and I'm like, I can't do it. And you know, honestly, this is a little bit of trauma from my situationships when I was in my 20s. [01:04:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:39] Speaker B: You know, and it's just like, I don't, I don't want like, is it this information about people that I don't need in my head? Right. Like I'm already. Yeah. Just like overwhelmed. So. But I mean, honestly let like the. [01:04:55] Speaker A: Get back on there and re trigger your algorithm. So like. So it's like mine where it's all heated rivalry. [01:05:02] Speaker C: Yes. [01:05:02] Speaker B: I mean, I will say that this is like the Internet is a terrible, nasty place, but this is what it's good for. [01:05:08] Speaker A: This is absolutely what it's good for. [01:05:10] Speaker B: The community around it, I mean, has been incredible. [01:05:14] Speaker A: There's been such a fandom around it. I have one friend from college, she lives over in Amsterdam. And I literally anything that I see that comes from heated rivalry, she's already liked it. Like she is on everything. And I repost. I like posted something to my story the other day where it was like this librarian who put a sign up on her computer. It says, do not talk to me about heated rivalry. I have no self control. I will talk about it. And I really need to get work done. And she immediately messaged me. She. She's like, it's all I can think about, it's all I can do. And I feel like there's so many people out there that. That's kind of like what's going on. They're both, and here's the thing, they're both obsessed with combing through the show, like, like exploring the show, analyzing the show, analyzing the characters. But they're equally as obsessed with the actors themselves, which is interesting. You don't find that very often people are like obsessed with the characters in the story, but it doesn't translate to People being, like, excited about the actors themselves, which that, I mean, people are excited about across both. [01:06:13] Speaker C: Why do you think that is for this particular show, though? [01:06:17] Speaker A: They're both charismatic, as. [01:06:18] Speaker B: I think they were unknown though, too, so they, like, unfamiliar with it. And so they're kind of just, like, more authentic. [01:06:25] Speaker C: I think, too, it's because the show is modern, so they feel like our friends. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:28] Speaker C: Like, I think about Insecure. [01:06:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:31] Speaker C: Sort of situation where it's like, okay, you raised my best friend. [01:06:33] Speaker A: Sure. [01:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Right, right. [01:06:35] Speaker A: I think. Think that's absolutely right. [01:06:36] Speaker C: If it was like a period piece, we would feel not connected to them. [01:06:40] Speaker B: In the same way. No, no, you did. See, you sent me that thing with IO and Connor, like, having a drink before the Golden Globes. [01:06:47] Speaker A: They're having, like, a really good time. And I think that's what people are really, like, drawn to, is that, like, you're having a good time with these characters on the show and then impressed. [01:06:56] Speaker B: Right. You're continuing the joy they have. [01:06:58] Speaker A: They have a connection and charisma with each other, even in these interviews. And it's interesting because their energy and, like, who they. How they show up in these interviews is like, Shane is, like, a little bit more out there. And then Connor, like, I. Let me just say that, like, when I realized this man was not Russian, I screamed. I said, not. [01:07:17] Speaker B: You being from Odessa, Texas, so crazy. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Like, the talent on that one. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Yes. [01:07:23] Speaker A: And I think he started learning Russian, like, maybe, like a week before, like, he started filming. [01:07:29] Speaker B: That's insane to me. That is Meryl Streep level, like. And if you've seen him in the interviews, he'll just, like, you know, he'll just say something in the Russian accent, and it's like, whoa. [01:07:38] Speaker A: It's crazy. And there was some other small film that he did, you know, before all the fame, where I saw it on YouTube, because, again, I'm down a rabbit hole looking at all this, like, niche. This niche material from whatever. But he speaks perfect French for, like. He's like. He's one of these people that can hear things and just pick it up. [01:07:56] Speaker B: Okay. [01:07:57] Speaker A: I'm like, we need him in the State Department to be a dm. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. [01:08:01] Speaker A: Like, wow. Go spy for us. [01:08:02] Speaker C: It's very interesting to me that they were doing film in Canada and stayed like, wouldn't the impulse be to go to. I don't know how large the Canadian film industry is, but wouldn't the impulse be to go to la? [01:08:14] Speaker B: I think the Canadian is, like, big. [01:08:16] Speaker C: Okay. [01:08:17] Speaker B: Like, a lot of shows are I think in Vancouver because it's cheaper there. And so I. I mean, I like all the things we get out of Canada. [01:08:26] Speaker C: I'm thinking about Degrassi. [01:08:28] Speaker A: Raised me. Whatever it takes, raise me. Let me tell you something. It's embarrassing to say now, but I was a big fan of Aubrey Graham in 2004. I was like, that's a cutie right there. Then he launched this rap project and I was like, I'm a fan. I've been a fan since they went awkward as hell. Little biracial afro. [01:08:46] Speaker C: I remember being like, he doesn't use a wheelchair. [01:08:48] Speaker A: Yeah, right. Yeah. See, it's so funny. Cause I think maybe you started Degrassi after I did. I was in their early days. He was like 14 years old. And I was like. And I. It's so interesting because they were talking about some real on there on Degrassi, which we. They would never make in the States for kids that young. They were talking about teen pregnancy, school shooting, rape. [01:09:10] Speaker C: Yes. [01:09:11] Speaker A: Like, online bullying. Yeah. Drugs. [01:09:15] Speaker C: They were so real in that show. [01:09:16] Speaker A: They were real. But, yeah, Canada. Canada makes some good stuff. Thank God to the. People have been saying thank you to the Canadians. Canadian taxpayers who are making this project. [01:09:27] Speaker B: Yes. [01:09:27] Speaker C: I also read that they did a lot of screen tests with the two leads. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Yes. [01:09:31] Speaker C: But, like. Which I guess is maybe not something always done. Especially if it's two famous people. Oh, they just, like, assume that you can take on this role and connect. [01:09:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:40] Speaker C: It's like, part of the reason why, like, they have chemistry. [01:09:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:43] Speaker A: They need to start doing more screen tests between famous people. [01:09:45] Speaker C: Please. [01:09:47] Speaker B: Seriously. Yeah, I know. Who was it? It was Hudson. That was like. [01:09:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:51] Speaker B: I mean, I. I just, like, when I started reading with Connor, I just. He wanted to, like. I felt like he wanted to pin me down, fuck me. And I was like, well, that. That's. [01:09:59] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. Yeah. [01:10:01] Speaker A: I was seeing something where they were saying somebody had asked them about their chemistry. And it was like, we immediately had chemistry as people when we had to go into character. It was a little bit difficult. Not difficult, but they had to kind of, like, rejigger their chemistry because Shane is obviously less, like, Right. Dynamic as Connor is. And then Ilya is obviously a little bit, like, very much reserved than Connor is. So they had to kind of like, bring that charisma and that connection through these, like, very much muted characters than who they are in real life. I'm like, again, talent. [01:10:36] Speaker C: I could not believe how good Hudson was at being a bottom. [01:10:42] Speaker B: Oh, he was great. [01:10:42] Speaker C: I genuinely was like, I just don't assume that straight men, like, can make that work. [01:10:48] Speaker A: Oh, and he made it work. [01:10:50] Speaker C: He made. [01:10:50] Speaker B: He. [01:10:50] Speaker C: I believed it. [01:10:51] Speaker B: He was. I mean, I believed it and I still kind of believe it. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Yes, I. That is a question. [01:10:57] Speaker B: But we were like, is he. Is he gay or is he a straight Canadian? [01:11:01] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I guess we don't know. [01:11:04] Speaker A: People are like. They're like, no, everybody's. Everybody I have talked to is like, that is a straight man. [01:11:10] Speaker C: And I'm hearing none of us know. [01:11:13] Speaker A: Well, apparently do. I think it's Dumois, the Instagram page that always has, like, the celebrity, like, gossip. I guess they doxxed his girlfriend. [01:11:21] Speaker C: Damn. [01:11:22] Speaker A: And he was, like, unhappy about it. He got in the comments. They, like, removed the post, then reposted it without his comments. So, like, fans are, like, kind of going after that account because they're like, stop doing like this. Like, we don't need to know this personal information about somebody's girlfriend not knowing. [01:11:37] Speaker C: Everything about this man. [01:11:38] Speaker A: I would, though, like to be like, where are we on. [01:11:41] Speaker B: In. [01:11:41] Speaker A: In the game thing? [01:11:42] Speaker B: Right. [01:11:43] Speaker A: You know? [01:11:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:43] Speaker C: And I don't know how I feel about, like, this. You don't have to share your sexuality with us because the reality is that gay people don't get roles. [01:11:52] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:53] Speaker C: So it's almost like. Yeah, I get that you're playing a system that we're all a part of. [01:11:58] Speaker A: And don't want to be here, but. [01:12:00] Speaker B: I mean, Jonathan Bailey was the first to do it, though, to be like. I mean. And he was right. The first out. Sexiest man alive. The real. Like, he's actually the sexiest man alive. But he's like, he came out and he was still doing Bridgerton. Right. And, like, just these, like, straight roles. So it's. Yeah. Why can't they do that? [01:12:18] Speaker A: Connor's story in literally anything. I want him in straight roles. Gay roles. [01:12:22] Speaker C: Yes. [01:12:22] Speaker A: I want him in every thing. He can play anything. Yes, I want him. [01:12:27] Speaker B: I do think it was on purpose, though. Like, I did read something that Jacob Tierney, they were asked in some kind of press event, like, oh, you know, basically, are they gay or straight? [01:12:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I heard this. [01:12:37] Speaker B: He was like, we're not doing that. You know, we're not talking about, you know, personal things. [01:12:42] Speaker C: I mean, this is their job. [01:12:43] Speaker B: I know, I know. [01:12:44] Speaker A: And I think Jacob was like, it's more about, can they bring, like, can they bring this character to life? I'm not going to worry about, like, what their actual sexuality is as opposed to. But all I know is I'm obsessed. [01:12:58] Speaker C: I'm obsessed. [01:12:58] Speaker A: I'm obsessed. Obsessed. Okay. They've also been. We've talked a bit, a little bit about this. They've been on a media blitz. [01:13:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:13:09] Speaker A: That everybody's obsessed with. Connor was on the Jimmy Fallon show. Basically getting down, doing some hockey stretches. [01:13:19] Speaker C: I didn't see this. [01:13:20] Speaker A: Oh, it's a whole thing. Face to Face with Jimmy Fallon. He asked the roots to, like, start some music, and Jimmy Fallon was like, no, we don't need music, basically. And then I think that Connor was on Seth Meyers last night. [01:13:32] Speaker B: Yes. [01:13:33] Speaker A: But both of them, as they arrive to the venue, there's like hordes of screaming women and girls standing outside of Guys Do Video. [01:13:40] Speaker C: I did see the video of Hudson leaving whatever show he was on. [01:13:44] Speaker A: They're screaming like they're the Beatles. Honestly, it's insane. And then their time at the Golden Globes, I was so happy. [01:13:51] Speaker B: I loved it. Coming out to Pink Pony Club. [01:13:55] Speaker A: Yes. It was so great. It was a weird moment that they had, like, UFC fighters come out as their security beforehand. [01:14:02] Speaker B: I literally turned on mute and then I was like, wait, no, they're on. [01:14:06] Speaker A: You know, it was crazy. [01:14:07] Speaker C: UFC fighters. [01:14:08] Speaker A: Okay. So basically. So they were like. They were like, these stars are so popular. We've got like the top notch security for them. I think it was a plug for UFC for cbs. I don't know. Yeah. But anyway, they bought out a couple UFC fighters. It was very awkward. There were like strobe lights and like rock music playing. Nobody knew what was going on. [01:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:29] Speaker A: It was a man and a woman. And then they left the stage. And then here comes our. No, Connor and. Yeah. And Hudson. And they did a great job presenting their award. [01:14:39] Speaker B: They did. Yeah. I mean, better than anyone else. Like, everybody else was like, just like kind of like stiff and. Yeah. [01:14:46] Speaker A: I did think that the response to them was positive, but it was still very clear to me that, like, not everybody knew who they were. [01:14:54] Speaker B: All the women did. And all the women in gay men, they. [01:14:56] Speaker A: They cut to chase infinity. And she was grinning like. Like a cat. [01:15:00] Speaker C: I am curious, what are the demographics of the people watching? Is this just us? [01:15:04] Speaker B: I mean, I. Well, I read about that too, and apparently. So Jacob Tierney was like, this was I. He's like, I made it. And I knew that gay men were gonna watch it because gay men are going to watch anything with our other gay men in. But like, yes, it was like, but this is like. We had to. We were like, how are we gonna reach women? Basically, like, I don't Think their goal was ever to reach straight men. [01:15:25] Speaker A: Right. But, like, whose goal is to reach straight. [01:15:28] Speaker B: I know. [01:15:28] Speaker C: No, I'm seeing straight men on podcasts. Yeah. [01:15:31] Speaker A: Hockey podcast. You watch a little bit of a hockey podcast. So all these girls are like, how did I watch this? And now all of a sudden, I'm. [01:15:36] Speaker B: On a hockey podcast. Yes. It's kind of. It's crazy, right? [01:15:40] Speaker A: I want to go to an hockey game and go make out. [01:15:43] Speaker B: Yes. [01:15:44] Speaker C: I want to go to a. [01:15:44] Speaker A: Let's go. [01:15:45] Speaker C: I want to go to a game. [01:15:46] Speaker A: Let's go. I love it. Okay, well, I have. And I like when they fight. And they can be pretty cute. [01:15:50] Speaker B: Yeah. They can be. No teeth. And they're going to get. [01:15:53] Speaker A: Don't. Jillian brings up ct. What is ct? [01:15:57] Speaker B: Cte, like the concussive. [01:15:59] Speaker A: What is say, oh, you know, we. [01:16:01] Speaker C: Don'T have to talk. [01:16:02] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no, exactly. [01:16:05] Speaker C: That's all right. [01:16:05] Speaker B: I'm just always like, okay, ct. And I think they did actually talk about that. So Kip and Christopher, there was something that they brought up, like cte. So that Kip was like. Or was it. No, not Kip and Chris. Kip and Scott. [01:16:19] Speaker A: Okay. [01:16:19] Speaker B: So they had some conversation where, like, Chris or Hunter Scott was, like, trying to defend himself. Like, oh, I don't have anything like that. [01:16:28] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. [01:16:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:29] Speaker A: I miss sad. [01:16:30] Speaker C: Okay. [01:16:30] Speaker B: I could be wrong. [01:16:32] Speaker A: Jillian's look for the cte. She's like, he's going to pull out a gun any minute. [01:16:36] Speaker B: He's going to mur you. Uhhuh. [01:16:39] Speaker A: She's like, how many concussions does this man have? [01:16:41] Speaker B: Oh, my God. But can we talk about when Shane got the concussion and was just, oh, my God. [01:16:47] Speaker A: I mean. [01:16:47] Speaker C: And that's when he invited him to the cottage. I'm like, would that have happened if. If that moment hadn't happened? [01:16:52] Speaker A: Those tight shots on their faces. Like, Ilya was like, you scared me. Me. And Shane was like, you could come to the cottage. It be a week or two. And he's like, we can't do that. [01:17:03] Speaker C: I couldn't believe he showed up at the hospital. He did. [01:17:05] Speaker A: I said. [01:17:06] Speaker C: I said, I know people in relationships show up to the hospital for that person. [01:17:11] Speaker A: And that's another episode. My situationships would not show up for. [01:17:17] Speaker C: Me in the hospital. [01:17:18] Speaker A: Been like, damn, you were in the hospital crazy. [01:17:21] Speaker C: Let me know if you need something. [01:17:22] Speaker B: I hear. I heard from so and so. Yeah. [01:17:26] Speaker C: When you gonna get back home, though? [01:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Not take it tonight. Oh, my God. Abuse is what it is. But that episode was very sweet. Very. [01:17:37] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. I mean, and like. And apparently people, when they're having these, like, watch parties, like, they go crazy with the cottage comment, you know, with. [01:17:46] Speaker A: Like, there's like, a club mix. So it's like, we're going to the cottage. Yeah. I've seen it so many times. It's so great. [01:17:55] Speaker B: But, like. Like, even just, like, the two of them watching, you know, the Scott and Kip, I mean. Oh, my God. And the music, like, everything is so perfect in the show. [01:18:06] Speaker A: It's intentional. [01:18:07] Speaker B: Perfect. [01:18:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Everything's really intentional. [01:18:09] Speaker C: For the Kip and Scott moment at the. On the ice, though, I was like, did we define what's going on here? [01:18:15] Speaker A: No. [01:18:17] Speaker C: I'm feeling a little. [01:18:18] Speaker A: It made me feel weird here. [01:18:19] Speaker C: I would be pissed. [01:18:20] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the type of situationship that we have been in where somebody's like, it doesn't talk to you for weeks, and then all of a sudden it's like, come on down. [01:18:28] Speaker B: And you were saying you were like, elena should have been like, what are you doing? [01:18:32] Speaker A: What are you doing? No, they hadn't talked. He's still using those tickets, I guess. That's weird. [01:18:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:18:37] Speaker C: I was like, yeah, why are you here? [01:18:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:18:40] Speaker A: Why are you here in the first place? Then he waves down and the biggest moment of his career, and you're gonna go down there and risk him playing in your face? [01:18:47] Speaker C: No, it did not sit right with me. [01:18:50] Speaker A: No. [01:18:50] Speaker B: And then when he, like, went to that award show, I was like, oh, he's going to leave that man. He's going to leave Kip because he's, like, now going to be a famous gay man. You know what I mean? Like, that was not. I didn't like the. The power balance with that. [01:19:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:19:03] Speaker C: That's why, like, we need to see Kip, like, with a degree or something. [01:19:06] Speaker B: Yes. [01:19:06] Speaker C: You know, like, with a PhD so they can. [01:19:08] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Is not going to pay for the. For the degree program. [01:19:11] Speaker C: Look, if I'm coming full circle with Kip, if he gets a full PhD paid for by his man. Yep. [01:19:19] Speaker A: Yep. [01:19:20] Speaker B: God, he's so lucky with that dad. [01:19:21] Speaker A: I know. His dad is so sweet. [01:19:23] Speaker C: I know. [01:19:24] Speaker A: I think what I've really liked about this is that it feels like for fans of the book, they're really happy with the show adaptation, which is not often. [01:19:31] Speaker B: It doesn't always happen. Yeah. [01:19:33] Speaker A: And I think the actors are also. Everybody associated with the show is just thrilled by how the people that are, like, true to the book are loving it. I've also really been enjoying the social Media posts where people like, show scenes in the show and they kind of break down the lines that's in the show compared to how it happens in the book. [01:19:53] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. [01:19:53] Speaker A: And it seems like, I mean, there's a lot of alignment with what's going on in the book, but they also, like, pull things out that we, as people who have not read the books, wouldn't necessarily be aware of. But it's like, a really interesting watch just to find the people, people that are, like, true fans of the book, really dive deep and break down things that maybe you wouldn't necessarily be aware of. I know, it's great. [01:20:15] Speaker B: I want to read it there. [01:20:16] Speaker A: I mean, they, you know, they call out things that, like, you know, the ginger ale or the tuna melt or, you know, just different things that are just like, you know. [01:20:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:24] Speaker A: True to the. To the lore, the broader lore of the series. [01:20:27] Speaker C: I do love a tuna melt, though. [01:20:29] Speaker B: I do. [01:20:30] Speaker A: So great. I mean, the fact that Shane came to Ilya's house and Ilya had ginger ale and a tuna melt ready for him, I'm like, we love a thoughtful, prepared man. Yes. [01:20:42] Speaker B: I mean, and he. So again, like, Jacob Tierney was so good. He was. I read about something like when they first were walking into the cottage, and Shane was, like, really kind of nervous and was like, oh, like, do you want, you know, some food or whatever? Like, they made it so that that actor was, like, bumping into furniture. Like, you can see him, like, bumping into all this furniture. Like, they're very, very detailed, and it's just perfect. [01:21:10] Speaker C: Let's talk about, like, Shane leaving that day too. I was like, finally. I mean, I don't. I don't know if this relationship's gonna work. And he seems to want it more than Ilya does. And I was like, this seems inevitable that he needs to leave. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Wait, when he. [01:21:26] Speaker A: Oh, oh, when he left Ilya's house. I know. [01:21:28] Speaker B: Okay. When he was like, when they first said each other's first name. [01:21:31] Speaker C: Y. Yes. [01:21:32] Speaker B: Yes. This was particular triggering for my situationship history. [01:21:36] Speaker A: Was that the first time that you said a man's name and they're sitting. [01:21:40] Speaker C: On either end of the couch, but. [01:21:41] Speaker B: It was like, yes. Oh, my God. And he was like, do you like girls? [01:21:45] Speaker C: You know, and this is their first conversation. [01:21:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:48] Speaker C: In the daylight. [01:21:49] Speaker B: But then, like, the intimacy and, like, yes. It was so brave. Shane was such a brave character to be like, no, you know, I said, like, I can't do. Do this. And then obviously, like, went and dated Rose. So, like, wasn't True to himself. But then, like, the conversation when he. When they, like, I think they were at. They were in Florida or something and they saw each other again and had that, like that discussion at the bar. [01:22:13] Speaker A: Yeah. And then they got over, like, the tenseness of Shane dating Rose really quickly. Like, they were like, see you at All Star. [01:22:21] Speaker C: They never had, like, a direct conversation. [01:22:23] Speaker A: No, no. It was like, so you're not dating her? All right, well, here's my tie. [01:22:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Here's my room number. Yeah, yeah. [01:22:28] Speaker C: And that's where Shane started wearing outfits. [01:22:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:22:31] Speaker A: I hired a stylist. [01:22:32] Speaker B: I love that. [01:22:32] Speaker C: Got my blazer on. [01:22:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:34] Speaker C: Let's have a conversation. [01:22:35] Speaker B: But he, like, they went up to the hotel room and then Shane was like, sat down and was like, I know you feel this. Do you feel this too? And, like, just, like, was vulnerable in that way and was basically like, yeah, I'm gay, you know, so, like, what? You know, what are we going to do? And then that's when, like, Ilya was allowed to be vulnerable and his dad. [01:22:56] Speaker A: Yeah, no, that's very true. It was Shane's bravery. [01:22:58] Speaker C: It made me feel afraid, though, like, watching him, like, walk through these topics. [01:23:05] Speaker A: Like, that's triggering from your situation. Yeah. First, because any time I've tried to define the relationship, it goes south. [01:23:11] Speaker B: Yes. Defensive. Like. Well, I don't know. I mean, I've got a lot going on right now. [01:23:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:15] Speaker C: Like. And he, like, didn't say it just once. He, like, clarified. He kept going. [01:23:19] Speaker B: And. [01:23:20] Speaker C: And I was like, this is beyond my. [01:23:23] Speaker B: That was so healing for me. I was like, how? Yeah, it was like, such bravery. [01:23:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it's brave. But it's also in the response that Ilya gave. You just don't see those in the situation that we're all specifically talking about. We just not received that in response. [01:23:38] Speaker B: It's a little bit of like, just like a, you know. Oh, okay. [01:23:42] Speaker A: It's very non committal. It's very much putting the onus back on us for the emotions that exist, I guess, in our own heads. And the other person is just like a passive player. [01:23:52] Speaker B: Right, right. It's like, let's get back to hooking up. [01:23:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Where Ilya, like, kind of stood up. [01:23:57] Speaker B: And, like, I know when he talked about, like, not being able to go back to Russia. Yeah. [01:24:03] Speaker A: I gotta tell you, I do not believe that in the. In. In the cottage. I do not believe that Shane's phone was on mute whenever he was getting sloppy topping. Oh. [01:24:16] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. That was a lot of trust. [01:24:21] Speaker C: Hang up the Phone. [01:24:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:23] Speaker A: Hang up the. [01:24:25] Speaker C: Your friend had a baby. Text him. [01:24:27] Speaker B: I know. [01:24:27] Speaker C: She text her friends. [01:24:30] Speaker A: No, but if you see your man crawling up your leg, I'm gonna have to call you back. [01:24:35] Speaker B: No. [01:24:35] Speaker A: Yes. [01:24:36] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:24:36] Speaker A: I think. I think we're gonna see that come back. I do not think that name was on. He was like, okay. Yeah. I was like. [01:24:45] Speaker B: But like, Hayden didn't even ask. He just, like, kept talking. [01:24:48] Speaker A: I think Hayden knows. [01:24:49] Speaker B: Hayden knows. Yeah. Hayden's gonna come back as a villain. [01:24:51] Speaker A: No. I think so. No. [01:24:52] Speaker C: This could have straight boy culture to be like, something's going on. [01:24:56] Speaker B: I know. I'm not gonna draw. [01:24:57] Speaker A: That's very, very straight coded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't ask. [01:25:01] Speaker B: Like, I'm just gonna tell you about my life. [01:25:03] Speaker A: Yeah. You're not gonna listen to you look the other way. Yeah. Absolutely crazy. I can't wait for season two. [01:25:11] Speaker C: Me too. [01:25:12] Speaker A: I'm ready. I want. And in the meeting time, I'm gonna be following both of these boys and their journeys. [01:25:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:18] Speaker A: I am locked in. [01:25:19] Speaker B: Part of me wants to, like, keep them, though, like, out of the spotlight. You know what I mean? Like, it is too much. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons that they're so authentic. And so part of me wants to be like, no, stay in Canada. [01:25:32] Speaker A: Stay in Manitoba in a little thing. [01:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:35] Speaker A: Yeah. It'll be hard. It'll be interesting to also see them in new projects because now it feels like this is like enshrining them as she's character characters. So it's a little bit like, yeah, let's get them under contract for some other projects. So like, we're seeing them in their talents in other ways, you know? [01:25:50] Speaker B: Yeah. It just also made me so mad, though, because I was like, we watch garbage. You know what I mean? Like, everything else besides this is garbage. And it's just like sloppily put together. And why are we doing that? Yeah. [01:26:06] Speaker C: It's rare that I want to watch something in this much, much detail. [01:26:09] Speaker B: Yes. [01:26:09] Speaker C: Like, let me make sure I got all the pieces organized. [01:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:12] Speaker C: Make sure I get it. Usually I'm like, okay, next episode. Keep it moving. [01:26:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:15] Speaker B: On my phone. [01:26:16] Speaker A: And I'm not as, like it's involved or as like bought in emotionally to what I'm watching. I'm like, take it or leave it. I. I gotta tell you right now, I'm really struggling as somebody who watched all the earlier seasons. And I think the problem is it's taken 10 years to wrap this up. [01:26:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:31] Speaker A: I'm not involved in or emotionally invested in the ending of Stranger Things. Oh, I know. [01:26:36] Speaker C: I'm not a. No, I haven't watched. [01:26:38] Speaker A: You've never watched any of it. [01:26:39] Speaker C: I've watched the first episode maybe like three times. [01:26:42] Speaker A: You tried it over and over. Just like. Just like, thank you. He's on the parapet. [01:26:46] Speaker C: That's. It's sitting on my bedside table. I'm going get there. I'm going get there. [01:26:49] Speaker A: It's basically a doorstop now. [01:26:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:52] Speaker A: But as someone who's, like, watched all the seasons and you would think, like, having been, like, spent that time doing it, you'd think that I would be like, okay, I'm ready for it to, like, wrap this up. I'm like, it's. I. I've started and stopped the first episode of this last season over and over because I'm like, I'm. I'm just not bought in to. To it anyway. It took too long for this to come out. [01:27:13] Speaker B: And I think Lily Allen, when she came out with pussy palace, I was like, yeah. David Harbor. [01:27:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:27:18] Speaker A: Every time I see David Harbor, I'm like, where are the butt plugs? Yes, I know. They're there in a Duane Reed bag. Specific. [01:27:25] Speaker C: Also, bring back short seasons. [01:27:27] Speaker A: Bring back short season, for sure. [01:27:29] Speaker C: I want quality over quantity miniseries. [01:27:32] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. [01:27:33] Speaker A: And also, before you launch a show, I need you to work backwards. I need you to start from the ending to the beginning. I need you to have a fully formed plan. Because what I don't need is you using CGI to create youthfulness from 10 years ago. We didn't need that. You know what I mean? [01:27:49] Speaker B: I also think, like, yeah, bring back, like, unknown actors. You know, we're seeing the same people over and over again. [01:27:56] Speaker C: Again. [01:27:56] Speaker B: I love Nicole Kidman, but we're seeing her in all the miniseries, Right. And it's just like, we need some, like, fresh talent. [01:28:03] Speaker A: We need some new fresh talent. Yeah. And I'm really glad that we got this fresh crop from. Yeah. [01:28:10] Speaker C: What else Canada got, you know, I know Dan Levy. [01:28:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:14] Speaker B: She has great. [01:28:15] Speaker A: Beautiful, beautiful. [01:28:17] Speaker B: What's. Wait, what is. Who's the guy who wrote, like, the Waiting for Guffman and who's married to Jamie Lee Curtis, who's friends with Catherine o'. Hara. [01:28:29] Speaker A: Catherine o'. [01:28:30] Speaker B: Hara. Who that, like, directed all those. [01:28:33] Speaker A: John Candy. [01:28:34] Speaker B: John Candy. But who is that director directed that, like Parker Posey, like the dog show. [01:28:44] Speaker A: The best in show. I don't know who that director is. [01:28:46] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:28:47] Speaker B: He's so good. Wait, let me see. I'll just look it up. [01:28:51] Speaker A: But yeah, wonderful things coming out of Canada. [01:28:53] Speaker C: Yes. [01:28:54] Speaker A: As we discussed opera, Graham in his earlier, maybe not so much recently, not. [01:28:59] Speaker B: When he became American, not when he. [01:29:01] Speaker A: Like, started to colonize other cultures. [01:29:03] Speaker C: He's taking a break, right? Yeah. [01:29:04] Speaker A: He's been away, I don't think voluntarily, but yeah. [01:29:07] Speaker C: I think his publicist was like, we need to not see you for like, three calendar years. [01:29:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it's all right. Just to take. [01:29:12] Speaker C: I'm happy. [01:29:13] Speaker A: Like a breather. Yeah. [01:29:14] Speaker B: I'm back. [01:29:15] Speaker A: Maybe get some, like, creative. [01:29:16] Speaker C: Or don't come back. [01:29:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Or don't come back or. [01:29:19] Speaker A: It's okay. [01:29:20] Speaker C: We've had enough. [01:29:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I think the. The critic criticism with him was that we're growing. You are not growing. Yeah. You're not growing with us. [01:29:29] Speaker C: You know, these people get famous and I feel like they don't. Like. [01:29:31] Speaker A: Like when I was like, 21 and he came out with, like, Marvin's room, I was giving my feelings. [01:29:36] Speaker C: That's a hit song. [01:29:38] Speaker A: But then, like, when I'm 36 and you're so singing that same mess, I'm like, please, please. [01:29:43] Speaker B: Marvin's Room. Oh, my God. Talk about the situation. [01:29:48] Speaker C: Y' all like the. The Jojo remix? [01:29:51] Speaker B: I haven't heard that. [01:29:54] Speaker C: A masterpiece. [01:29:55] Speaker A: Masterpiece. [01:29:56] Speaker C: A masterpiece. [01:29:57] Speaker A: Our white queen got in there and put it down. [01:29:59] Speaker C: It was, like, on YouTube for a while. And she concerts now. [01:30:03] Speaker A: Does she? [01:30:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:30:04] Speaker A: I saw SoundCloud. I think I had it on SoundCloud for a long time. Time. It's a hit. [01:30:08] Speaker B: Oh, I knew. [01:30:14] Speaker A: Me in a bodycon dress at the park. At the park in D.C. [01:30:19] Speaker B: The park. [01:30:19] Speaker A: On 14th, to be specific. [01:30:21] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [01:30:22] Speaker A: You. And you lived. You'd walk in there and on the bottom floor, they'd be eating macaroni and cheese and greens on the bottom floor. Because it was a restaurant. You should know. [01:30:30] Speaker C: So the park was on the other side of my. My day job. Like, the other side of the. [01:30:33] Speaker A: And you'd be out there in the happy hour. I be like, yeah. Then you get on the 7 in the morning. Yeah. Then you get on the next floor and it would be a nightclub playing certain music. Then you go upstairs beyond that, and it would also be the same. It's all hip hop and R and B on every floor. But on. You should know, on the ground floor, they're eating macaroni cheese grits. [01:30:52] Speaker C: We should go. [01:30:53] Speaker A: You're not going to find me in there. [01:30:55] Speaker C: What if we went to the park for a weekend? [01:30:56] Speaker A: Is this. I think it's closed now. [01:30:58] Speaker C: Really? [01:30:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it closed a few years ago. [01:31:00] Speaker C: Rest in peace. [01:31:01] Speaker A: Rest in peace. [01:31:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:02] Speaker A: Because I'd be in there at a Happy when I was like 23. [01:31:05] Speaker C: I want some greens. [01:31:06] Speaker A: Me and my friend would park a Ford Focus wherever we could find, like three blocks away. And we'd be like pulling our dress down, trying to get in there with the statement necklace. [01:31:17] Speaker C: Oh, I would change my clothes, put my clothes at my work desk and then walk through that alley and go right in there. [01:31:22] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Did you ever go to Ozio's? No. [01:31:26] Speaker C: Where's that? [01:31:27] Speaker A: May it rest in peace too. I don't think it's there anymore. But it had the same kind of vibe, you know, hoot and hollering and carrying on. [01:31:33] Speaker C: Some of these places don't need to be here anymore. [01:31:34] Speaker B: No, they don't. No, they don't. [01:31:36] Speaker C: A new generation of people. [01:31:37] Speaker A: I was with you and Mikey here recently and Mikey was mentioning all these like gay bars and stuff in D.C. i said it's be. It's after me, it's after my time. [01:31:45] Speaker C: I mean, I haven't even been to. A lot of the ones that I that were there when I was there are not there anymore. They closed during the pandemic. [01:31:51] Speaker A: What about, what was it? Bar nine. [01:31:53] Speaker C: Oh, number nine. [01:31:54] Speaker A: Number nine. Is it still there? Yeah, I don't know how cuz the drink special is like. [01:31:58] Speaker C: Drink special? [01:31:59] Speaker A: Hahaha. It's like what, buy one, get one free? [01:32:02] Speaker C: Yes. Well, and then you know Cobalt used to be vodka hour, where you'd like buy one vodka and you can get as many as you wanted. [01:32:10] Speaker A: Oh my God, that's crazy. [01:32:11] Speaker C: It was at like 9pm it was a way to get you to the bar early. [01:32:13] Speaker B: Okay. [01:32:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, and town shut down. [01:32:16] Speaker B: Keep ordering. [01:32:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, and town shut down. Yeah, Nelly's is still there. [01:32:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's a straight bar now though. [01:32:26] Speaker A: I know they gentrified the neighborhood. Hate it. Hey, they shut down the laros. I think you sent me that. Sorry. This is just like they used to. [01:32:36] Speaker B: Have these swirl margaritas DC in the 2010s. Yeah. [01:32:40] Speaker A: Swirl margarita bodycon dress. [01:32:42] Speaker C: Yes. [01:32:43] Speaker A: To the park. Blackout by nine. [01:32:46] Speaker C: Is that Alero? Walk across the street to the U Street Metro. [01:32:50] Speaker A: What was that? Whatever, whatever. There was another one there at the. I don't know. There used to be a place called Den of Thieves there on the corner of 14th and you. [01:32:59] Speaker C: You haven't lived till you eat a. And pizza on the ground waiting for the metro. [01:33:03] Speaker B: Oh my God. [01:33:04] Speaker A: Been there. What a life, what a life. Yeah. Let's Go back and recreate our memories. Let's do it. [01:33:15] Speaker C: I'm down. [01:33:17] Speaker A: A cultural tour. The district. [01:33:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. [01:33:21] Speaker A: I'll be like, jillian, I lived over there. [01:33:22] Speaker C: Don't look. [01:33:23] Speaker B: Oh, my God. When I was going to clubs, my friend was like, you look like you're from Little House on the Prairie. We're gonna go to Akira. Oh, my God. And she. Yeah. And I like, she would put my makeup on. I'd be like, I'm a clown. What are you doing? Yeah. [01:33:38] Speaker A: And then she had you in there. And Jillian has told me about her experience. I'd have been like, jillian, what are you doing in here? Jillian? [01:33:45] Speaker B: For a while, I was really taking some risks. [01:33:48] Speaker C: We need to go to the club. What are we doing? [01:33:50] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:33:50] Speaker C: Bring the club back. [01:33:51] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:33:52] Speaker A: Keep read. [01:33:52] Speaker C: Already taught us to go to the club. [01:33:54] Speaker A: They were at a fun club. [01:33:55] Speaker B: They were. [01:33:56] Speaker A: They were. I've been at a club. People are blowing hookah in my face. [01:33:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:59] Speaker C: I'm not a hookah. [01:34:00] Speaker A: It's not great. [01:34:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:02] Speaker A: So let's think about that one more time before we bring the club back. Just think about it a little bit more. I think that's it for me. [01:34:10] Speaker B: I think. Yeah. By the way, Christopher Guest. [01:34:14] Speaker A: That's his name. Yes. [01:34:16] Speaker B: Should we do a little game? [01:34:17] Speaker A: True artistry coming out of Canada. Canada. I think so. I think it's time we write our own little sports themed love story with our beloved Nathan as the main character playing our favorite game of mash. Which you've never played. [01:34:34] Speaker C: I've never played. [01:34:35] Speaker A: I can't believe it is a staple of, I would say, 90s girlhood. [01:34:39] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [01:34:39] Speaker A: Where basically you would play this game over and over until you got your dream life with your dream boy crush of race. And. And you'd be like, this is how my life's going to be. And I love it. So we've got different categories. I think I told you earlier today just to be thinking about. And basically we'll get all this and then we will work our magic to tell your future and your life. [01:35:04] Speaker C: Let's do it. [01:35:04] Speaker A: Okay. [01:35:04] Speaker B: Are you going to write it down? [01:35:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I got it. I got it. Okay. So MASH stands for different types of houses. Mansion, apartment, shop, shack, or house, Basically. So that's what you should know. But basically what I need to start with you is what sport do you play? I need four options. [01:35:23] Speaker C: Four options. [01:35:24] Speaker A: Four. [01:35:24] Speaker C: I don't know, four sports. [01:35:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:26] Speaker C: Okay. We're gonna do water polo. [01:35:29] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. Sexy. [01:35:31] Speaker C: We're going to do tennis. Okay, we're going to do Ping Kong and we're going to do. Let's see something rugby. [01:35:44] Speaker B: I love that. [01:35:44] Speaker A: These are all like. [01:35:46] Speaker C: I really had to dig country club sports. [01:35:48] Speaker A: These are non contact sports. Love it. [01:35:50] Speaker C: We're doing wealth sports. [01:35:51] Speaker A: Jillian's like. No. [01:35:52] Speaker B: Cte. [01:35:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:35:53] Speaker B: No, seriously. [01:35:56] Speaker A: City. Okay. The city you play for. [01:36:00] Speaker C: Let's do Barcelona. Let's do Cape Town. [01:36:04] Speaker A: Okay. [01:36:05] Speaker C: Let's do Toledo, Ohio. [01:36:08] Speaker B: Love. [01:36:08] Speaker C: And then let's do. Let's do Albuquerque, New Mexico. [01:36:17] Speaker A: Okay, great. What's your jersey? Number one. It has to be like, at least number one or. No, it could be zero. I've seen zero jerseys. Go ahead. [01:36:25] Speaker C: Okay, so let's do 99. [01:36:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:36:30] Speaker C: 37. [01:36:31] Speaker A: Okay. [01:36:32] Speaker C: 2. [01:36:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:36:33] Speaker C: You know, 69 for hero. Right? [01:36:35] Speaker A: We love it. Okay. I need. Okay. Your salacious lover's job. What. What is. What's their job? [01:36:45] Speaker C: Okay, let's start with bartender. [01:36:47] Speaker A: Okay. [01:36:49] Speaker C: Let's do. Let's do like something like fine. Like private equity. [01:36:55] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:36:55] Speaker A: P.E. bro. [01:36:56] Speaker C: Yeah, that. Let's do a firefighter. [01:37:01] Speaker A: Okay. Hot. [01:37:02] Speaker C: And let's do. Let's do a chef. [01:37:06] Speaker A: Okay. We love it. We love to see it. Okay. Favorite rendezvous spot. So you know a hotel while teammates are in the next room. The club, whatever. [01:37:17] Speaker C: Does it need to be like a full story like that? Like teammates in the next room. [01:37:20] Speaker A: It. You can give it as much detail as you need. Need. But it can really just be a spot. [01:37:24] Speaker C: Okay, let's do first one public park. Let's do gym. Steam room. [01:37:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:37:35] Speaker C: Let's do. What else could we do? Oh, on a yacht. Oh, right. And then a private jet. [01:37:45] Speaker A: Yes. As wealthy as. [01:37:46] Speaker C: Yeah, because look at our sports. [01:37:48] Speaker A: Yes, we're going big. Big. Yes, we're going big. Okay, when you inevitably lock eyes with them across a nightclub, what's the iconic song that's playing that defines the moment? [01:37:58] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Okay, so let's start with little Rihanna. Only girl in the world. [01:38:03] Speaker B: Yes. You know what? [01:38:04] Speaker A: You are excellent at this game. [01:38:06] Speaker B: I know. He's like, got him like this. [01:38:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:38:09] Speaker C: Let's do. What's yalls favorite Celine Dion song? [01:38:16] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Wait. [01:38:18] Speaker B: You know what I was thinking, though? From Girls Dancing on my own Robin. [01:38:21] Speaker C: Oh, at it. [01:38:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, Yep. [01:38:27] Speaker C: Do we need some Beyonce in here maybe? Like. [01:38:33] Speaker A: Let'S do Halo. [01:38:35] Speaker C: Halo. Let's do Halo. [01:38:37] Speaker A: I hate Halo. [01:38:38] Speaker C: Let's do Halo. [01:38:41] Speaker A: If I heard that song, I'd be like, it's not meant to be. [01:38:43] Speaker C: You know, people are still getting married to that song. [01:38:45] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:38:46] Speaker B: All the white people are in there singing. [01:38:50] Speaker A: Let's see, what is your happily ever after? So, like, are you teammates on the same team? Do you deny and never speak to each other again? What's the happy ending? [01:39:01] Speaker C: We. Happy ending, but they don't speak to each other. [01:39:03] Speaker A: Well, I'm just saying maybe that's your. [01:39:05] Speaker C: Yeah, let's do one where they are enemies. [01:39:08] Speaker A: Enemies. [01:39:08] Speaker C: Okay. They. Let's see. They lifelong lovers. [01:39:18] Speaker A: Okay. Which I love in the show when he's. Ilya's like, we're lovers. He's like, ew. [01:39:26] Speaker B: I love that. [01:39:27] Speaker C: I love the word lovers. Like, bring mystery back. So what are you doing? [01:39:32] Speaker A: I love that. Lovers. [01:39:35] Speaker C: Happily ever after. Maybe they. I don't know. This one's hard. [01:39:42] Speaker A: Maybe they're podcast hosts together. [01:39:44] Speaker C: They're podcast hosts. Maybe they have a comedy show together. [01:39:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:39:50] Speaker A: Wonderful. Okay, great. Give me a number between 1 and 9 or 1 and 10. [01:39:57] Speaker C: Let's do 7. [01:39:58] Speaker A: 7. Okay. I will go and calculate your life. [01:40:01] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:40:02] Speaker A: I'm gonna go and, like, tell your future. In the meantime, talk amongst yourselves. [01:40:06] Speaker C: Okay. [01:40:07] Speaker B: Okay. [01:40:07] Speaker C: I'm so nervous. [01:40:08] Speaker B: I know. You picked some great ones, though. [01:40:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:40:12] Speaker B: I think you. [01:40:12] Speaker C: They have all been positive, so that my response, or my answer gets is positive. [01:40:18] Speaker B: I mean, but I think it was all positive. No. [01:40:20] Speaker C: I want my future to be bright. [01:40:21] Speaker B: Yes. [01:40:21] Speaker A: Yes. [01:40:22] Speaker B: Yeah. You're gonna meet somebody with Halo on the background. [01:40:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I put Halo in here. I could have done something on Renaissance. Oh, my. [01:40:30] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. I mean, I think it is supposed to be because, like, nobody wants a shack. Right? I know. So it's like. Yeah, I think it's. It's funnier if it's just, like, you. [01:40:40] Speaker A: Know, with the right love. [01:40:42] Speaker B: No love. Shaq. [01:40:45] Speaker C: We should have added it. That's a hit. [01:40:48] Speaker B: That is it. That we should have added that to the. You know, I was like. I was thinking about this too, and I was like, you know what? Tina Turner is the best. [01:40:56] Speaker C: Yes. [01:40:57] Speaker B: I would love that. [01:40:58] Speaker C: Yes. [01:41:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my God. I'm excited. I'm excited. [01:41:05] Speaker A: This is hot as. [01:41:06] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Now you have me wanting to go back and watch what's the show we were talking about? [01:41:16] Speaker B: Schitt's Creek. [01:41:16] Speaker C: Schitt's Creek. [01:41:17] Speaker B: The best. [01:41:18] Speaker C: It's been a minute. [01:41:19] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I love. One of my favorite lines is when he's talking to Stevie and they're talking about, like, inviting people over, and he goes. And she was like, okay, what about so and so? And he goes like, but does she get it? Like, it just is so simple. And great. And Catherine o'. Hara. Oh, my. My God. I can't even. [01:41:41] Speaker C: What are they. She's been in stuff since then because she was in the Last of Us. [01:41:46] Speaker B: Oh, she was in the Last of Us? [01:41:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:41:48] Speaker B: I think she was in the studio, too, which I haven't seen. I have to see the studio. Yeah. With Seth Rogen. He did it. [01:41:55] Speaker C: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. [01:41:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Deidre loves him. [01:41:58] Speaker C: She's, like, trying to do different things now, which I appreciate. [01:42:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:00] Speaker C: In the Last of Us, she's like, a serious actor. [01:42:03] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:42:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:05] Speaker B: Because she's usually playing that, like, goofy. Yeah. [01:42:08] Speaker C: Is she a Chicago person? [01:42:10] Speaker B: She's Canadian. [01:42:12] Speaker C: I assume that all comedy people come from here, but, like. [01:42:15] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [01:42:16] Speaker C: Well, like, spent some time here. [01:42:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. A lot of SNL people and a lot of. Yeah. [01:42:22] Speaker A: Okay, you ready? [01:42:23] Speaker C: Oh, my God, I'm so. [01:42:24] Speaker A: Okay, here's your life. You ready? [01:42:25] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [01:42:25] Speaker A: Okay. You live in the mansion. [01:42:29] Speaker C: Thank God. [01:42:30] Speaker A: You are a professional tennis player. [01:42:32] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. [01:42:34] Speaker A: I don't know that they wear jerseys, but you've got 69 on the back. [01:42:37] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [01:42:39] Speaker A: You play professionally for Cape Town. [01:42:41] Speaker C: Okay. I love Cape Town. [01:42:43] Speaker A: Your lover is a private equity bro. [01:42:46] Speaker C: Thank God we're so rich. [01:42:47] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Your favorite rendezvous spot is in a gym steam room. [01:42:52] Speaker C: Of course it is. [01:42:55] Speaker A: Your. You know when you lock eyes across the room because this situationship is just so tense and sorted. The song I Drove all Night by Celine Dion is playing from the speaker. Booming from the speaker. [01:43:06] Speaker B: Oh, my God, I love that. [01:43:09] Speaker A: And then when you finally connect, your dream ending is working together as podcast hosts. [01:43:15] Speaker C: Okay. [01:43:15] Speaker B: Yes. Business. There you go. Yes. [01:43:18] Speaker C: Not me coming for Yalls gig. Oh, my God. [01:43:21] Speaker A: Yeah. A Forbes podcast. Absolutely marketable. I love that. [01:43:26] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:43:27] Speaker A: Well, do you like your. Your future? You like your little sport romance? Yeah, I love that. Okay, well, I think that does it for today's episode. [01:43:35] Speaker B: I think that does it. We could have, like, 12 episodes on rivalry. I mean. Yeah, I think we should read the book. We do. [01:43:41] Speaker A: We do need to read the book, and we absolutely need to have you back. Will you join, please? [01:43:45] Speaker C: Yes. I'd love that. I'm gonna do it with Mikey, too. [01:43:47] Speaker B: Yes. [01:43:48] Speaker C: Oh, no, the four. [01:43:49] Speaker A: The four of us need to come together. We were wanting to do a Broke Back Mountain episodes. [01:43:53] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [01:43:54] Speaker C: I. I love Broke Back Mountain. [01:43:56] Speaker A: We love love in all forms. And we need to celebrate Brokeback Mountain. And we heard you. [01:44:00] Speaker B: You watched it together with Mikey. [01:44:02] Speaker C: Yes, I did. [01:44:03] Speaker A: That's kind of hot. I want to hear about that. [01:44:05] Speaker C: We held hands. [01:44:06] Speaker B: Yes. [01:44:06] Speaker C: Through the hard parts. [01:44:09] Speaker A: Thank you for tuning in. And remember, if you're feeling the vibe, rate and subscribe. [01:44:14] Speaker B: We also want to give a shout out to Christian McCann for making our sound stay in check. And as always, thank you to the illustrious Lincoln Lodge in Chicago, Illinois, for letting us do our thing. And thank you to Nathan. [01:44:26] Speaker C: Always. [01:44:29] Speaker A: Okay, until next time. Bye. [01:44:31] Speaker C: Bye. [01:44:34] Speaker B: Perfect. [01:44:45] Speaker A: Sam.
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