God Forbid a Girl be Queen of Everything

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Hi, and welcome to Spellbound, a romantasy podcast. I'm Deidre. [00:00:15] Speaker B: And I'm Jillian. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Thanks for joining us. [00:00:17] Speaker B: How are you? [00:00:18] Speaker A: I'm well. How are you? [00:00:19] Speaker B: I'm pretty good. So the JD killed the Pope this past weekend or on Monday? [00:00:25] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Let's just get right. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Let's do it. Let's jump in. No. No time for anything else. We've got to get to the hard hitting. It's breaking. It's breaking fast. If you listen to our last episode, I'm very devastated by this. He's my betrothed. [00:00:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:39] Speaker A: The Pope, not J.D. vance. Let's be clear. And yeah, it's crazy. Everybody's like, what did he see? [00:00:46] Speaker B: Really? What did he see? He looked into the eyes of Satan and was like, I'm done. He was, we're done. [00:00:52] Speaker A: You know what? This is above me. [00:00:53] Speaker B: You're like, good luck, Good luck. [00:00:55] Speaker A: I'll see you later. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Good luck. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Yeah. He was like, I gotta. Let me just get out of here before this gets worse. God, he's leaving us down here. We literally have no more protection. We're exposed, we're vulnerable. [00:01:09] Speaker B: We are very vulnerable. [00:01:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's so, I mean, but like, also, how guilty would you feel if you were the last person to meet with the Pope and then he died? [00:01:17] Speaker B: I was thinking about that today. Like, do you think he even feels guilty? [00:01:21] Speaker A: A normal person would. But you're right, we're not dealing with a normal person. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:01:26] Speaker A: He's probably, if anything, he's probably hearing all this criticism and probably thinking like, well, maybe he wasn't a good person. Maybe he deserved to go, which is such an ugly thing. [00:01:35] Speaker B: Oh, the Pope. Not Francis, Not Francis. [00:01:39] Speaker A: The people's Pope. Not the people's champion. No. Now, you know, as I mentioned, I am very well versed and almost an expert at the steps that are coming next in the selection of the next Pope. Because I watched the two hour long film Conclave, so. Expert in all things the. The palpy. [00:02:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:04] Speaker A: And so, yeah, now I, I, what's going down in there is nothing short of a, you know, Real Housewives, a reality show. [00:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:02:14] Speaker A: The claws are out. The cardinals, the bishops, they've come around and they're ready for business. And it gets ugly, it gets nasty in there. But we'll see. We'll see what comes out of it. I will kind of be keeping a pulse of what's going on. I want to see the smoke that comes out every day. I think that's kind of interesting. This is kind of the first time in my life, I think my frontal lobe was never really fully developed in the last couple selections of the Pope, so I wasn't really paying any attention. I didn't care. But now, and not that I really care now, but now that I know what's going on, I'll probably be taking a closer look at the selection process. [00:02:49] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I know. I already saw an article with, like, all the possible next popes. [00:02:55] Speaker A: Are you seeing good candidates? [00:02:56] Speaker B: I'm seeing good candidates and bad candidates. So, I mean, I have no. The way that we've gone bail. [00:03:03] Speaker A: I have no faith in that. [00:03:05] Speaker B: So I'm surprised that Trump didn't, like, nominate himself. Yeah, well, yeah. Or. Or just be like, I don't know. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Just, we don't need the Pope. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Or to talk over social media like he did to Putin last night with the. Stop. [00:03:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:21] Speaker B: A little chat between war criminals. [00:03:25] Speaker A: So embarrassing. It just looks so stupid and embarrassing. I hate to have my name associated with anything of this ilk. [00:03:32] Speaker B: It's so bad, it's trash. [00:03:35] Speaker A: What else has been going on for you this week? Any. Any other updates? [00:03:38] Speaker B: Well, I mean, Easter and Jesus rose from. [00:03:42] Speaker A: He is risen. [00:03:43] Speaker B: Yeah, he is risen. [00:03:43] Speaker A: He is risen. [00:03:44] Speaker B: So that was. I mean, it was. I. You. You came over for a little bit. I went to jewel Osco at 10 o'clock. [00:03:55] Speaker A: God bless. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah. The night before. [00:03:57] Speaker A: Not on Easter. [00:03:59] Speaker B: The night before Easter. [00:03:59] Speaker A: God did not die on that cross for you to go into a Jewel Osco. [00:04:03] Speaker B: I don't even have my. Those are not even my kids. But I was like, I have to go get more stuffing for these eggs. I mean, I gotta go get some stickers. And I just. It was so bad. The poultry selection that my siblings gave me. [00:04:21] Speaker A: Oh, my word. [00:04:22] Speaker B: I know. So anyway, the next day, I almost, like several times, I almost like, revealed to the kids that the Easter bunny isn't real. [00:04:29] Speaker A: You're better than me. Because I'd have been so angry. [00:04:31] Speaker B: I would have fully revealed it. Cause I kept saying, like, well, I put in the eggs. I had to go to me. [00:04:38] Speaker A: You will give me my fanfare. You will give me my flowers. [00:04:41] Speaker B: But here's the thing, though. Like, I get, you know, Santa's, like, magical, whatever, and I get how, like, maybe he could be real. Like, I get like a. A four year old could think he's gonna be real. But how do you think that there's a bunny the size of a man that talks and is just hopping around? [00:05:01] Speaker A: You know, I. In my lifetime, I've suspended. I'VE suspended. [00:05:06] Speaker B: You don't believe in Easter Bunny. [00:05:08] Speaker A: You know, when I was a child, I definitely did believe in the Easter Bunny. I, I think I, I think, though, there comes an age where you do know that it's not happening, but you're like, I'm not quite ready to let this go. [00:05:18] Speaker B: I think so too. And I'm just ready for my oldest niece to know she's there. [00:05:22] Speaker A: Really. [00:05:22] Speaker B: Yeah, she's really there. [00:05:23] Speaker A: It's in the next year. Yeah, yeah, we're coming up. She's gonna get off the ride. [00:05:27] Speaker B: I know, but I think she likes the magic, so she might. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Well, maybe she'd like to, like, play a role in creating the magic. I could see that for her. [00:05:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I could do. [00:05:34] Speaker A: She would love that. Yeah, she's, she's, she's good in that way where she wants to create exciting memories for other people. [00:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Yes, you're right. I did come over and I was immersed in full fledged large family holiday craziness. And, you know, for somebody like me that's an only child and it is. Every holiday is quiet. [00:05:56] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:05:57] Speaker A: And it is calm, cool and collected. It's always great just to, you know, flip the other side of the coin, see what's going on. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Just come in and out, though, like, it's just like, you can only deal with it for a little bit. [00:06:08] Speaker A: That's how, that's how I. That's how I've built my life. That is how I've structured my life. The rich, auntie supreme lifestyle of coming in and out with people that have kids. But I do not spend a large amount of time there. I'm in and I'm out. I do my magic and then I go home and I am in solitude. Yep. I'm basically a monk. [00:06:25] Speaker B: That's the way to do it. [00:06:26] Speaker A: That's the way to do it. Yes, essentially. And then once I left you, then of course we went over to our beloved Nathan's, a house where he served a delicious Easter dinner. [00:06:36] Speaker B: I still feel guilty that I didn't bring any, any, like, food over. [00:06:39] Speaker A: No, it's okay. We had plenty of food. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Yeah, you did have plenty. It was good. [00:06:43] Speaker A: We had plenty of food. It was a, it was a great feast. [00:06:45] Speaker B: Great company. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah, great company. Great conversation. I mean, every time with those boys is just magical. We're truly blessed. Oh, God. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah, we really are. [00:06:55] Speaker A: But, yeah, other than that, you know, things are. Well, it's that season professionally. I don't know if everybody's a little bit different right now. Is yearly, annual Review time. So we're doing. We're getting all of our ducks in a row for that. So that is, you know, the bane of any corporate employees existence to basically give themselves a report card for their performance in the last year. But I'm making it through. [00:07:20] Speaker B: Good time to pull out chat gbt, I gotta say. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Who's to say I haven't chat GPT? Tell me what I've done this year. Pretty much. [00:07:29] Speaker B: You know, they listen to you though, so they might be able to tell. [00:07:33] Speaker A: You I'm about to put AI on my resume. I know because I know how to work the system. It really bends to my will. [00:07:39] Speaker B: You know how like we did that thing with you put it in a picture of your dog and then it like turns into a person. So I did that for my. I did that for my sister in law, but I did it in my phone. And it's so funny because like the description it came out with was like similar to like how I taught. It was like, girl, this is a vibe like. And she. My sister in law is like, not like that at all. And so I was like, okay, it's definitely listening to me. It knows how I talk. [00:08:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's picking up on your things. [00:08:11] Speaker B: Scary man. [00:08:12] Speaker A: Crazy. Well, what's going on on today's show? [00:08:15] Speaker B: Okay, well, we're gonna go through a little of it, a little bit of an agenda. So Deidre will be giving us a little Hear ye, hear ye. [00:08:25] Speaker A: I thought Romanasy news was. It didn't roll off the tongue as. [00:08:28] Speaker B: No, I know. [00:08:29] Speaker A: Deliciously. [00:08:29] Speaker B: I know. [00:08:29] Speaker A: But I did want you to rebrand moment. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Rebrand. Yeah, I did want you to do. [00:08:34] Speaker A: The Bugle to my best ability. I'm only so talented. [00:08:41] Speaker B: So she. So the Hear ye, hear ye. Where she will give updates on the news of the moment. We'll then get to why you're really here. So the book. And I can tell you looking forward to this. And I'll be handling just the tip. Another rebrand because who has time for the whole thing? In this segment, I'll give you a very brief rundown of this week's read. So then we'll go to Literally Unhinged and talk about all our favorite and least favorite moments from the book. We'll chat about our favorite theories as part of Conspiracy Corner where we will wildly speculate, overanalyze, and connect dots that probably weren't there. [00:09:26] Speaker A: Definitely not there. [00:09:27] Speaker B: Definitely not there. And then we'll wrap up with everyone's favorite game of Dirty Dozen. [00:09:33] Speaker A: I love that nodes. [00:09:35] Speaker B: That about does it. Right? [00:09:36] Speaker A: So, wonderful, wonderful rundown and agenda for what's coming up this week. Well, let's get started with a little Hear ye, hear ye. That's good. I'll leave you to the Bugle. We'll just put that in our notes every. Every week. So lots of really interesting articles and things to discuss this week. One thing, I'll start off here. Probably a little bit heavier of an agenda. And also change here ye change this segment to Hear ye, hear ye. Because Romantic Brief did not fully encapsulate the articles that we're talking about. This section. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Okay. [00:10:09] Speaker A: We're getting into, like, I think, romance, sex adjacent type of article. [00:10:15] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:15] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? Things that people kind of want to talk about. [00:10:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:18] Speaker A: This one, this week there it was a really interesting article in the Atlantic called what Porn Taught a Generation of Women by Sophie Gilbert. [00:10:27] Speaker B: Holy shit. [00:10:28] Speaker A: Wildly interesting read that was basically talking about the impact of pornography on a generation of people, but mostly women beginning in, you know, they give, like, a historical rundown of, you know, porn and its consumption beginning in the late 70s with VHS tapes and how private consumption of porn just started to make it, you know, a lot more accessible to individuals. [00:10:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:00] Speaker A: Through, you know, VHS tapes, things of that nature. So then you started to see more and more consumption from, like, the 70s through the 90s. And, like, we're children. We're girls of the 90s. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:11:11] Speaker A: So they were, like, highlighting all of these moments in, like, especially late 90s culture where you had things like Girls Gone Wild. You had Jerry Springer, you had Britney Spears dressed up as a Catholic schoolgirl in ponytail. She was on the COVID of Rolling Stone at the age of 17 in a pair of, like, underwear hugging a Teletubby. You had. You had, you know, the Monica Lewinsky scandal. You had all of these things. Yeah. And when you think about being a teenage girl at that time, just how, like, violent and just ugly that time was when it came to what it meant to be a girl and to be a woman. And just the. Just the pervasive sexual aggressive objectivity of it all. Yeah. And so a very interesting article. I won't get too deep in the weeds of it, but I did pull out a few oh, my God moments that as I was reading it, I was like, I gotta talk about this. Do you know that Google Images, as we've all come to love and use, I pull up Google Images on a daily basis. [00:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:20] Speaker A: Google Images was created after Jennifer Lopez wore a vivid green jungle print versace dress to the 2000 Grammy Awards. Do you remember this dress? It had a deep plunge in the front. It's iconic. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Oh, Jennifer Lopez. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah, Jennifer Lopez. [00:12:33] Speaker B: Yep. [00:12:34] Speaker A: It became the most popular search query that Google had seen to date. And in response, they created Google Images. [00:12:41] Speaker B: That is wild. That's wild. [00:12:44] Speaker A: There is also mention. I talk to you about this all the time. That Mark Zuckerberg created Facebook to rate the relative hotness of Harvard undergrads. And I put. I'm just sort of, you know, paraphrasing here. Because he couldn't get laid. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Right. So exactly. [00:12:56] Speaker A: That you. You can read into that. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:58] Speaker A: Here. [00:12:58] Speaker B: I can't believe he gets laid right now. [00:13:00] Speaker A: 100% correct. Could not be me. As we're talking about giving women medals for being mothers in this country. Give women medals for fucking men who are not attractive and nerds and trash. [00:13:13] Speaker B: Not unattractive nerds. [00:13:16] Speaker A: Don't do it, girl. But if you're gonna do it, you should be rewarded with a medal because you're one of our strongest soldiers. YouTube was founded in 2005 partially because one of the founders had been searching for videos of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. Oh, Jesus Christ. At the super bowl. And couldn't easily find one. [00:13:36] Speaker B: Oh, so he was like, let me create this whole platform that is going to fuck over Gen Z. [00:13:42] Speaker A: Exactly. Just because I want to see a woman's nipple fly free. [00:13:45] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:13:47] Speaker A: And then what was really sad to this was that. Well, a couple things. Pamela Anderson sued Penthouse magazine to not leak her sex tape that she filmed with her husband. You remember, there was this whole thing in the nineties of Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee. Oh, they had filmed their, you know, sex tape, and it was stolen from her home home. So it was filmed in private. It wasn't even like she made it for public consumption. She made a private tape with her husband, and it was stolen from their home. And Penthouse magazine told her when she tried to fight them to not release the tape. Penthouse magazine told her that she couldn't possibly claim that she was being victimized and had forfeited her right to privacy because she had previously posed nude for the magazine. [00:14:31] Speaker B: Holy. [00:14:32] Speaker A: They wore her down in a year later, exhausted from fighting them and seven months pregnant, Pamela Anderson agreed to let a distributor broadcast the tape online if he stopped selling physical copies of the vhs. Not understanding that the Internet was a bustling marketplace for this place, this stuff already. So she didn't even know. She thought, like, if they stop distributing VHS tapes, it won't go anywhere. She didn't understand that the Internet can, like, duplicate things. [00:15:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:01] Speaker A: Forever. Oh, God, absolutely. [00:15:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:04] Speaker A: And then I'll end with this. Of the oh, my God moments in this article, Rush Limbaugh, they. They were just talking about how things. Yeah, exactly. Things evolved in the. Just violent, just nature toward women from like the 80s through to present day. And in 2007, when Hillary Clinton made mention that she was going to run for president, I guess Hillary Clinton was doing all these things that she got emotional one day and there was this cut news coverage of her being emotional. Rush Limbaugh got on his loud ass microphone and asked about Hillary Clinton running for president back then. And he, quote, he said, will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on daily basis? This is only 2007. I was a sophomore in college. Wow. And these are the things that were being. Being done. [00:15:54] Speaker B: That's wild. We have amnesia about that. Like, I think we forget that this is how bad it was. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And then, you know, now we're living in this time where there's the manosphere and there's all these bros on podcasts and there's just all ugly hatefulness and whatever. And the writer is basically talking like she had hope that basically, you know, we wouldn't elect Donald Trump for, you know, a second time, but here we are and how wrong we are. And then she was talking a little bit about the sexualization and the violence. Sexualization of Kamala Harris during the election of this past year. And, you know, I just wrap this up by saying we're in dire straits. [00:16:29] Speaker B: We're in hell. Hell. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Heavy on that. [00:16:34] Speaker B: I blame it on the Reagan's. [00:16:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:36] Speaker B: A lot of the time. The Reagan's. Yep. [00:16:38] Speaker A: And not to like, necessarily like, you know, add to the objectification of women, but you've heard the rumors of Nancy. Nancy throat goat. Have you heard that, Christian? What does that mean? She was talented in the art of the. The art of throats. [00:16:58] Speaker B: This is news to me. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Okay, we'll look it up. Look it up. I will. It's part of American history. I'll Google image that one. Yeah, it's American history, but yeah, I mean, it goes back to her. [00:17:10] Speaker B: This is. Yeah, that's what we got. [00:17:12] Speaker A: What are you gonna do? In better news, though? Yeah. There is an article in the New York Times by Esther Zuckerman, and it's the 20th anniversary of the 2005 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice. [00:17:25] Speaker B: I did see this. I'm obsessed. [00:17:28] Speaker A: Okay. I want to talk to you about this. So it's the Pride and Prejudice hand flex. One gesture and the web is still swooning. So basically the 2005 adaptation of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice star, starring Keira Knightley as Elizabeth and Matthew McFadden as Mr. Darcy. There is a scene in which he's helping her into a carriage. [00:17:47] Speaker B: I know the scene. [00:17:48] Speaker A: I know the one. And as he walks away, his. His quote, fingers stretch outward like an impulsive, unconscious tick. Her touch is almost too intense for him to handle. In the 20 years since the film's release, the hand flex has been the subject of various social media posts, critical essays, and tick tock dissertations. People see it as a sign of yearning and is devastatingly hot. The anniversary re release of the movie was April 20th. [00:18:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:15] Speaker A: And the hand flex is commemorated with official merchandise. [00:18:19] Speaker B: Stop. Wait. Okay. I read that he didn't. They didn't plan for that. [00:18:23] Speaker A: They did not. [00:18:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. [00:18:24] Speaker A: They did not plan for it. And so the. The, you know, the creatives behind the movie, the directors and everything, they're. They love the fact that this has been enshrined in the fandom, but they're like, we totally did not even. It was just a throwaway shot. [00:18:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:18:39] Speaker A: And people just hooked onto it. I saw the craziest merchandise. Like, I. There's not so much you can do. There's only so much you can do with, like a flex hand. But there was sweatshirts. There wasn't like, you know, pins and things of that nature that people can kind of wear. And I think it's just a symbol from, like one fan to the next. [00:18:58] Speaker B: I mean, I think we need to get something. [00:18:59] Speaker A: Sure. [00:19:00] Speaker B: Have you. Have you seen the movie? [00:19:01] Speaker A: I saw the movie. The first time I watched it was during COVID Okay. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:04] Speaker A: And so I was not there for the. What, the 15 years prior. [00:19:10] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Obsession about the film. I remember when it came out, but I just. [00:19:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:14] Speaker A: See it. [00:19:15] Speaker B: There's another part and that I can't remember. I mean, it's also good, but there must. I think there's another part in that that just like, is like, oh, my God. [00:19:26] Speaker A: So interesting. He's such a brooding character. [00:19:28] Speaker B: I love him. I mean, it's, you know, it's weird at the end. It's like, she's like, oh. Something about like, oh, I love you, Mr. Darcy. And she's like. He's like, I love you, Mrs. Darcy. And I'm like, hate that. Hate it. [00:19:42] Speaker A: No, throw that away. Let's just leave it at the hand flex and credits. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Credits. Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah. [00:19:49] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that's what most people would like, but. Yeah, I thought. I figured. I knew that you were a big fan. [00:19:55] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah. [00:19:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I love it. I knew that in my bones. [00:19:59] Speaker B: I mean, nobody else knew about Matthew, but when we started watching Succession, and I was like, I know this man. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I was like, I don't. I think I had seen Pride and Prejudice before I started watching Succession. However, I. When I saw. Maybe. I don't know the timeline, but I feel like I saw him in Succession, I was like, that's that guy from that movie. You know what I mean? [00:20:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like you saw. Yeah. People were probably obsessed. [00:20:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So it's. It was interesting to see him in Pride and Prejudice, but also watch his. [00:20:28] Speaker B: Character on oh, my God, Succession. So good. [00:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah, so good. But he was great in Pride and Prejudice too. And then you don't watch. You. You did watch Sex in the City, but you haven't watched Just like that. The. The new show, they're going into their third season, and they just released a new teaser, and Carrie Bradshaw is apparently dipping her toe into Romanasy. You know, she's a writer. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Is she? [00:20:51] Speaker A: Yes. And she's pulling back. She's pulling out of writing her column. And in this show, she started to do a podcast. I guess she's stepping away from that too. But her agent is suggesting she try her hand at writing a romantasy novel, suggesting she title it Sex in the Cauldron. [00:21:08] Speaker B: So, okay, so, like, Romancy is about to blow up. Like that is. Yeah. Wherever Carrie goes, that's where the millennial. [00:21:16] Speaker A: Girlies go, the culture goes. So that's going on. And then I also just want to offer this little tidbit up. This week, Mikey sent me a social media post, and it was just something very simple. And it mentioned the term morning bean. Now, do you know what morning bean is? [00:21:34] Speaker B: Morning bean coffee. [00:21:37] Speaker A: Thank you so much for your sweet, innocent heart, Jillian. I love it so much. Mikey sent me a twee, and I was like, I'm not familiar, but turns out we actually are. It is nocturnal clitoral tumescence. Nct, colloquially known as morning bean, and it is the equivalent of morning wood. But it is spontaneous swelling of the clitoris during sleep or when waking up, similar to the process in males of nocturnal penile tumescent, and females experience clitoris tumescence and engorgement of the vagina, mainly during the REM sleep phase. Now, I mentioned this because as women, our sexual health Is not widely studied. Nor told. I called my. I called my mother last night about this and I was like, did you know? And she was like, I've never heard that term before. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Not d. Not knowing. [00:22:30] Speaker A: I know, but who does know that? [00:22:32] Speaker B: Nobody. I mean, apparently Mikey. [00:22:34] Speaker A: Mikey does, But I think he was just like seeing the tweet and then he saw it. [00:22:38] Speaker B: Yeah. He was like, educational. Let's educate. [00:22:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:41] Speaker B: The. The people. [00:22:43] Speaker A: Yeah. We're not getting this. We're not getting this education. Your health class. [00:22:46] Speaker B: No, absolutely not. [00:22:47] Speaker A: I mean, not in this America. [00:22:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know if the health class is going to teach about morning being a morning wood, but. [00:22:53] Speaker A: No, but they could at least talk a little bit about the female getting stimulated. I mean, we did learn that the penis would get erect. [00:23:01] Speaker B: Right. I bet that they would maybe normalize it, you know, when you like. [00:23:05] Speaker A: Yeah, we're not getting anything. [00:23:07] Speaker B: Not getting anything. Yeah. [00:23:08] Speaker A: Well, that's my news. [00:23:09] Speaker B: All right. [00:23:10] Speaker A: That's my. Hear ye. Hear you. [00:23:11] Speaker B: I love it. [00:23:12] Speaker A: Hope everybody can go off into the sunset and have a great week knowing a little bit more about morning Bean. I do think that there is an idea there for a coffee shop. [00:23:22] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:23:23] Speaker A: If not already done. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a. There's a good gluten free bakery that I'm obsessed with deflowered. And my brother, every time he sees that, he's like, I can't believe they were allowed to. And I'm like, that's. [00:23:36] Speaker A: First of all, she being approved. [00:23:37] Speaker B: I didn't even. I. I didn't even think about it. I was like, oh, it's like they're taking the flower out. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:42] Speaker B: I swear to God, I didn't even think about it until someone told me it's his. [00:23:46] Speaker A: It's his porn mind. [00:23:47] Speaker B: It is. Yeah. [00:23:48] Speaker A: It's been eaten alive. Based on my findings, based on my research. [00:23:53] Speaker B: Porn has really. And not to. I mean, this is. Pun intended. Porn has really us. [00:23:57] Speaker A: No, no, truly. [00:23:57] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:23:59] Speaker A: I hate it. [00:24:00] Speaker B: Hate it. Yeah. [00:24:02] Speaker A: Well, you ready? Yeah, I'm so ready. So what are we reading this week? [00:24:08] Speaker B: We are reading Heat of the Ever Flame. [00:24:13] Speaker A: Wow. [00:24:15] Speaker B: Who was I listening to recently? Evanescence. I was trying to do a little Evanescence there and I don't think I succeeded. Go ahead, do your version. [00:24:25] Speaker A: I was going with like a little bit of a sultry version. I think I was like, he of the ever Flame. [00:24:32] Speaker B: I like that. [00:24:34] Speaker A: I don't know. It's giving a little Bonnie rape maybe. [00:24:37] Speaker B: You know, we love Bonnie rape. [00:24:38] Speaker A: Sultry. Neither of our renditions were on pitch. [00:24:41] Speaker B: No. [00:24:42] Speaker A: Or compelling. [00:24:43] Speaker B: I'm gonna work on it for next time. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe Christian, you should bring in like a little piano in here. Like a tuning device. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Totally. [00:24:50] Speaker A: We could do something. [00:24:51] Speaker B: Yeah, just. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Just tickle the ivory. [00:24:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Tickle the ivory. But yes, this week we're reading Heat of the Everfl Pen, Cole's Kindred Curse series and this was released in September 2023. [00:25:05] Speaker B: That's crazy. [00:25:06] Speaker A: You know what's interesting is you and I talked about this the other day. We thought that this was a completely finished series. Like we thought the fourth book was out, but we. We were. We were misled. [00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I don't know, it's so weird because like when you look it up on the Internet. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:21] Speaker B: Or you look it up on your phone, it's like it says weird. It says like, like different times that it will be released. And I think the thing is that she got a publisher. So in between the release of the. What are we reading? The third one and the last one, she got a publisher and then they were like, hey wait, you can't release another thousand page book without us. [00:25:43] Speaker A: God bless. This was a rough go. I'll let you talk about it, but. Woo. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah, we've gone on a journey. Should I talk about the journey? [00:25:52] Speaker A: Yeah, go ahead. [00:25:53] Speaker B: Just the tip? Yeah, just the tip. Okay, so in the last book, go slow, ease into. Okay. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Not too much, too fast. [00:26:06] Speaker B: Should we be a little breathy? [00:26:07] Speaker A: It's been a long time. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Okay, so we live off in the last book with the big boom at the kinder temple in Kurile, which by the way means Heart island in French. [00:26:21] Speaker A: Oh, nice. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Thank you, Madame Sandberg. So DMs mom has just committed treason and terrorism against the state. And DM finds herself imprisoned by the Guardians, the rebel mortals. So there is a whole bunch of fighting, total lack of diplomacy and surprise surprise, she's saved. By who? [00:26:44] Speaker A: You know who. [00:26:45] Speaker B: Luther. Luther and his friends. So they're in Arboros, which is like the realm with lots of trees and vegetables. So Taryn gets stabbed by the Godstone, which is fatal to a descended. Then they move on to Igneous, the desert place and. [00:27:02] Speaker A: Hated that. [00:27:02] Speaker B: Hated it. They had a couple fights and with the king and his gryvern, who we find out later that that gryvern is Sarai's man, who she hasn't seen in a thousand years. [00:27:16] Speaker A: Justice for Sarai. [00:27:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Want them to get together? Definitely. [00:27:20] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. [00:27:22] Speaker B: But okay. So anyway, then we go to our favorite Realm. My favorite realm. The shorts company, Ambrose. And we meet my favorite character and yours as well. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Who is it? [00:27:33] Speaker B: Our boy, Zarbia. Boy? Zaleric. Zalaric. So turns out Taran, gay icon. And he's into Zaleric. [00:27:41] Speaker A: And I love it. [00:27:41] Speaker B: Love it. [00:27:43] Speaker A: I wanted this book to be about that. [00:27:44] Speaker B: I really did. [00:27:45] Speaker A: I'm like, let's pivot. [00:27:46] Speaker B: I know, I know. I hope we pivot the next book. [00:27:51] Speaker A: I don't know. We need a spin off. You know, I'm fanfic. I'm. I'm interested to know if there's any fanfic out there. [00:27:57] Speaker B: Yeah, there has to be, right? [00:27:59] Speaker A: I hope. [00:27:59] Speaker B: We gotta look into that. So anyway, so they're into each other, but the. The whole crew is going home when the Athleisure Wear Clean kidnaps them. Umbrella screen. And there's a good couple of scenes in this. It's kind of fun with, like, the drinking game and the orgies. So that's kind of fun. [00:28:20] Speaker A: Yeah, very fun. The skin market, the gym market. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Love it. [00:28:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:24] Speaker B: Taryn and Zaleric hook up, but unfortunately, we are not invited to the party. That was very upsetting to me. When she opened the door and they're naked in bed, I didn't get to. [00:28:33] Speaker A: See that he's holding a pillow against his crotch. I was like, let's go ahead and get some shadows. Serious. Move that out of the way. [00:28:43] Speaker B: Okay. So DM finds. This is so boring. This is so long. [00:28:46] Speaker A: She's the worst. Go. [00:28:47] Speaker B: She finds out Luther's dying because he was hit by the godstone. Whatever. Luther unfortunately survives, and then he performs some pretty weird devotionals to Lumnus. Lumnos. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Yeah. So weird Bible study. [00:28:59] Speaker B: Bible study, yeah, it's giving evangelical. So she and Luther go to find her mom. Who's the fucking worst? The worst. [00:29:08] Speaker A: Leave her where she is. [00:29:11] Speaker B: Seriously, Leave her in jail. [00:29:13] Speaker A: She's racist. Go ahead. [00:29:14] Speaker B: I know she is. So they go to a couple other realms, yada, yada, yada. Her mom tells the whole story of her birth father, which is kind of crazy. So apparently her mom was this double agent for the Guardians and the Royals. And then she found a man chained up on an island she was on. [00:29:34] Speaker A: I'mma jump on this man stick. [00:29:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And she. She's like, I'm gonna leave him chained. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Bdsm. [00:29:39] Speaker B: I mean, good for her. [00:29:40] Speaker A: She was into it. She's like, whips and chains. We got him. [00:29:44] Speaker B: Well, so then there's a weird thing. Oh, okay. So she fell in love with him despite knowing that he ate rodents for centuries. [00:29:53] Speaker A: I think women in this, in our real world, our reality, have. Have dated far worse. [00:29:59] Speaker B: That's true. Yeah. Or at least. Or they get married and then they learn that basically their husband's just eating rodents all day. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Pretty much. [00:30:09] Speaker B: Okay, then we gotta talk about this later. Then DM and Luther have a very weird moment up against the tree where they don't have sex. And her mom catches them. And even. Even though DM's hand was just holding. [00:30:22] Speaker A: Luther's fullness, it was thickening. [00:30:25] Speaker B: She then takes her mom's hand and hugs her with that same fucking hand. [00:30:30] Speaker A: That detail. [00:30:31] Speaker B: Oh, you know, I read that. I was like, that is so upsetting. So upsetting. Anyway, okay, so then they go to the. Yeah. Oh, yeah, go back. [00:30:42] Speaker A: This is. This is me. This is somebody who. Like, the first time I ever had any sort of a sexual encounter, I couldn't even look my mother in the eyes for, like, six months. The shame. [00:30:52] Speaker B: The guilt and the shame. I'm not into the Good girl King. [00:31:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Not into that. [00:31:02] Speaker B: Okay, so then they go to the mountain village, which is like Denmark, because it's very quiet and they're virtuous. But I also wrote in my notes, not Monteos being the democracy we all need. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Truly. [00:31:15] Speaker B: Seriously. [00:31:15] Speaker A: I know. And they came from a queen. They came from a girl. [00:31:18] Speaker B: Yeah. They elect a council. Mortals and descendants. Yeah, whatever. [00:31:22] Speaker A: Great model. [00:31:24] Speaker B: So then they go to Sophos, which weirdly, is like Times Square in 2025. [00:31:28] Speaker A: It's giving Terry. It was giving Silicon Valley. It was giving Palo Alto. [00:31:33] Speaker B: Yes. Like mega billionaires with crazy eyes. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Yeah. It's giving, like, Google campus, Apple intel, all the things. [00:31:39] Speaker B: Hate it. Hate it. So anyway, there's a battle. [00:31:43] Speaker A: Hated that place. [00:31:43] Speaker B: I did, too. [00:31:45] Speaker A: It wasn't giving me good vibes. [00:31:46] Speaker B: No. Even though they had plumbing, I still wouldn't feel it. [00:31:49] Speaker A: God bless. No, it just wasn't. It was too. It was violent. [00:31:53] Speaker B: It was. Yeah. [00:31:54] Speaker A: It was sterile and violent. [00:31:55] Speaker B: It was creepy. You know, it was just a lot of libraries and books, which I normally love, but if there's too many of them, it's too many. Okay, so then there. There's a battle with her father that's really uninteresting. Like, I just kind of blacked out. Then we gotta talk about this later. There's a weird, weird scene in the shower where, again, they don't have sex. Then they go to the library, and guess what? They have sex. And it's bad. So we'll talk about that later. Yeah. Anyway, then she goes to the coronation at the island and is double crossed by Tilda Swinton, our Sophos king. And she enters into that bargain where she has to stay on the island for the rest of her life. No one besides the crowns can come on. And then our unsung hero. Perth. [00:32:45] Speaker A: Yeah, Hate to see that. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Tell her. Basically kill them. [00:32:49] Speaker A: Basically. He was like, one of us has to go. [00:32:51] Speaker B: I know. He like, he was like, I am holding on to your hand. No, I'm gonna hold on to Luther's instead. It was so sad. So then she's stabbed by this igneous guy. And that's where we are. A thousand pages, 10, 26 pages later. [00:33:05] Speaker A: Well, that's our show. Thank you so much for coming. [00:33:07] Speaker B: Period. [00:33:09] Speaker A: Love that. So you loved it then? Is what I'm picking up from you. You. You love this book. No notes, no criticisms. You loved it. [00:33:18] Speaker B: Loved every minute of it. No, I fucking wanted to skip hundreds of pages. [00:33:24] Speaker A: Yeah. I have told you, okay? If this book had not been marketed to me as a romantasy novel. And also I want to punch everybody in the face who has rated the smut level on these books as a like three or four out of five. [00:33:39] Speaker B: That's not true. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Not at all. Like, the smut level is not even there. Even when. When the main characters, the main love interests do finally get intimate. It's. It's. At first I'm bored, number one. So that's probably influencing how I feel because I have had to basically traverse across an entire fictional world to even get to the moment. But it's not even. It's not even worth talking about. It's. It's. It's not at all. [00:34:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not. And I also think that it should be like, rated just based on like, like how good it is. Like the smut. It was terrible. [00:34:13] Speaker A: The smut is terrible. If this had not been marketed to me as a Romanasy book, I would have enjoyed the adventure of it all. [00:34:21] Speaker B: Yeah, the fantasy book. [00:34:22] Speaker A: What I liked about this book the most is the world traveling the way that, like, we learned so much more about the side characters. Like, I loved getting more of, you know, Taryn. I loved getting more of Alex. I. To be completely honest, DM and Luther were an afterthought. I was so bored and over them, I didn't care. So that, like, I was so interested in Umbros and the Ambrose Queen. I was like, I love her. I love her. Yeah. I was interested in Simond. [00:34:55] Speaker B: Loved him. [00:34:55] Speaker A: Love sign. I like Simon. I liked Umbros. [00:34:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Me too. And I loved that whole time. I didn't care about our time in Igneous. Didn't really care. [00:35:02] Speaker B: Hated it. Yeah. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Then she goes back to her world in Lumnos. She's not getting any love there. No love lost. No surprise. She feels the need to go see Henri and like, close that gap. Who cares? Ghost him, girl. It's whatever. It's done. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Seriously, I need to break up with. No. [00:35:18] Speaker A: You both know you're not getting together. It's over. [00:35:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:20] Speaker A: Like, what do you need to say? And then she goes to Fortos and like kills this king. [00:35:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:27] Speaker A: And it's like, really gross. [00:35:29] Speaker B: It's very gross. Yeah. Yeah. [00:35:31] Speaker A: And then she goes off to Montes and then. And then she. She, you know, the. It was a fun adventure, but if you were looking at this from the perspective of getting like a heart bursting, fun love story and like smutty, like, sexiness, something to give you a little morning bean, perhaps. This ain't giving it. This is not giving it. [00:35:55] Speaker B: I mean. Yeah. And so going into this and being like expecting romance and smut, like, it was a very unsatisfying read. [00:36:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:03] Speaker B: I think the story. Yeah, I agree. Was interesting. I wanted to see more of Taryn and Zaleric and I wanted to see them at sex, but we just didn't get there. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Yeah. No. [00:36:12] Speaker B: So. But I agree, I think that like, there were some parts, like. I agree that the desert part was so. I. I mean, it went on way too long. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:20] Speaker B: It was boring. Yeah. But I did, I did like some of the side characters. I mean, we had talked about this last night. Like once they left Lunos and they left Taryn and Alex there and they just went with his. With her mom. I was bored. [00:36:35] Speaker A: I was so bored. [00:36:36] Speaker B: I was like, what? There are no interesting characters. [00:36:39] Speaker A: There are no interesting characters. [00:36:40] Speaker B: Except for that little girl in Monteos that reminded me of what's her fit. [00:36:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:45] Speaker B: In Game of Thrones. [00:36:46] Speaker A: Who is now in the last of us. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [00:36:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's who it reminded me of too. I kind of wonder if she was like the inspiration for probably that. That person in the book. [00:36:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm dm as a main character in this book. I appreciate my notes here. Like, you know, a high octane start. She would have moments where like, I was like, okay, she's having some self reflection, maybe a little bit of maturity that she would show in moments and then she would just completely blow that away with a stupid decision. She would make the dumbest and that was a common. Like, that was a common experience through the entire book. And it was all under the guise of trying to save everyone all at once. Right, right, right. And she's not really getting that you can't do that. Like, there's gonna be. There's gonna be casualties here. Yeah. And so really just over having to experience the book from her point of view. [00:37:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:37:38] Speaker A: Right. Whereas I wanted to experience it from so many. [00:37:41] Speaker B: From Taryn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:37:44] Speaker A: You know, I was thinking about it and I was looking through my notes here. There are a number of characters that we met in this book that I'm like, I need to know more about them. Number one, Cordelia. Where is she? I need more of her. [00:37:57] Speaker B: Wait, who is she? [00:37:58] Speaker A: She was the guardian. Who is. Is opposite Vance. [00:38:03] Speaker B: J.D. vance. Oh, wait, Vance. Oh, okay. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. In the beginning of the book, she. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Has a good streak and I need to know. [00:38:12] Speaker B: Loved her. [00:38:13] Speaker A: What's going on with her. [00:38:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:14] Speaker A: I also need to know, where's my baby Brick? [00:38:17] Speaker B: Oh, with the, with the knife. With the. Oh, he's the knife maker. Okay. Yeah, right. He was in the beginning. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think the. [00:38:26] Speaker A: I'm like giving you all these names. You're like, I don't know who that is. [00:38:30] Speaker B: I mean, God bless. I was too. Like, I. I just like don't remember the beginning because I was so bored. And the. The second half. Yeah, I mean, but yeah, no, you're right. Like, I loved Brack, I loved Cordelia. Who else was there? I mean, it was interesting with Vance. He's. He's a. [00:38:49] Speaker A: He's terrible. And he needs to go, like, he just needs to go. Just end it. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Put one of those swords in his throat and then let's. [00:38:57] Speaker A: That was the thing. That was the thing. I think the thing that like high, high arching with me is I'm like, I get what you're trying to get after and I absolutely believe that you need to have mortals and descended living together. But of those people who are not on board for the vision, you need to eradicate them. You have to get like past totally knocking them out and taking them out and like get. Get to. Toward a new world. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:21] Speaker A: And you have to get over killing people. [00:39:23] Speaker B: Totally. Yeah. [00:39:24] Speaker A: No, it just has to happen. [00:39:25] Speaker B: Huh? [00:39:26] Speaker A: What's going to do? [00:39:27] Speaker B: I mean, it's. This is the. This is the world we live in. [00:39:30] Speaker A: Yes. [00:39:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Let's talk a little bit about her. Just collecting crowns. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Oh, Jesus Christ. I Mean, it's like every other page, it was like she had a new power or a new crown. And I was like, this can't. I mean, this can't go on. [00:39:46] Speaker A: I'm like, how is this gonna work? You're gonna have. What is it now? So who's still existing? So Arboros is still living. Thanos is still living, igneous and Sophos. So there's four crowns that are still living, right? [00:39:59] Speaker B: Yeah, Phonos. Okay. Because it's Fortos. And I mean, she's gonna kill Agneos. [00:40:05] Speaker A: She will begin next book. [00:40:07] Speaker B: Yeah, but. Yeah, I think so. [00:40:11] Speaker A: So my thing is, like, okay, so then we have one person who has all of these crowns that they've collected through the death of the original individual crowns. And then four separate crowns. They have to know she's not gonna let them live or, like, lead their own realms. [00:40:27] Speaker B: That's what I think is going on. I think it's. Eventually she's gonna kill all of them accidentally because she's like. [00:40:34] Speaker A: But then she's talking about having, like, a allyship with Arboros. So I'm like, how's this gonna work? [00:40:42] Speaker B: I don't know. But I do think that, like, you know, when the Umbros queen talked about her heir and, like, beware of Simon, too. I loved Simon. I wanted him to have a redemption arc because I was really feeling Rhysand from him. [00:40:57] Speaker A: He's giving that. [00:40:58] Speaker B: He was giving Rhysand. [00:41:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it is giving a little bit of that. She said to beware of Simond. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Yeah. She said, beware of my heir. Yeah, be careful of my heir. [00:41:09] Speaker A: I didn't realize that Simond was her heir. [00:41:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And then, obviously, Luther is the Lumnos heir. Like, drop Luther. Drop him. [00:41:20] Speaker A: Let's just get Z in there. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Can we just talk about how religious Luther is? [00:41:26] Speaker A: It's giving Joel Osteen. [00:41:28] Speaker B: It is. So let me tell you this story. I don't think I ever told you this story. I can't remember when this was, but I was friends with this guy. And then we. Like, I had never been to his apartment, so I went to his apartment and we slept together. And. [00:41:40] Speaker A: And then you prayed at your feet, Deidre. [00:41:43] Speaker B: I don't know if he, like, turned on the lights or something, but I roll over and I see on his bedside table a picture of Jesus. Deidre. I was like, we're done here. [00:41:55] Speaker A: Well, uber well. If it makes you feel any better, Jillian, one time I was deep in the throes of a sexual situation, and the man in which I was in this situation chaotically. It put the music selection on shuffle. I don't know anybody that does it. Shut up. [00:42:11] Speaker B: Don't tell me. Gossip of a place. [00:42:13] Speaker A: Jesus walks by. Kanye west started coming through the speakers. And now I. Of course, immediately, it pulls me out of what's going on. [00:42:21] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:42:22] Speaker A: Not hard to do. So dry, mind you. [00:42:25] Speaker B: Oh, my God. You're like. [00:42:26] Speaker A: I was. I was already a little bit like, let's wrap this up. But he was not swayed. [00:42:32] Speaker B: He was. [00:42:33] Speaker A: No, just still happy as a clam doing whatever it was that he was doing. But I think about that moment every now and again. It's been well over a decade since that happened. And I'm like, you know, I have my moments where I step aside, I have a conversation with the Lord, and I'm like, you know, not my personal best, but maybe we can look past it. Maybe you could just let it slide just this once. [00:42:57] Speaker B: You're like, I'm sorry if you were there to see that. Yeah. [00:42:59] Speaker A: I didn't want. I certainly didn't want you. You weren't invited to the party. [00:43:03] Speaker B: When Jesus looked at me with those eyes, I was like, no, what the fuck? [00:43:08] Speaker A: Was he super Christian? [00:43:10] Speaker B: I didn't know we were friends before. I didn't. I mean, I think he was Catholic, so, I mean, maybe. Yeah, I would have preferred a picture of Pope Francis, let me tell you. [00:43:20] Speaker A: I've been like, at least he's out here helping the needy. [00:43:25] Speaker B: At least he's real. [00:43:29] Speaker A: All right. Not this man. This man's, like, catching strays. [00:43:35] Speaker B: All right, Easter Bunny. Okay, so Luther. Yeah, was totally. Did you also feel a little bit of, like, a Trumper coming from him? [00:43:46] Speaker A: Explain that to me. [00:43:47] Speaker B: I don't know. I wrote it down, but I think that maybe it was just, like, the way he was, like, a sycophant, you know? And then I was like, he would have a bust of Trump in his. In his room. Can you imagine if you went and saw that somewhere? [00:44:03] Speaker A: A bust of Trump? [00:44:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Like a marble bust. [00:44:07] Speaker A: I don't. At this point, I think I have enough power of choice that I would never wander into a place with a bust of trauma. If I did, I think I would just, like, completely go catatonic. [00:44:18] Speaker B: Yeah. With the bullet hole in his ear. I don't know why I'm thinking this. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Up, but when did you see it on Etsy? Something like this. What's going on. [00:44:31] Speaker B: Anyway? [00:44:32] Speaker A: Yeah, well, my notes for Luther in this is that his over possessiveness is not. [00:44:37] Speaker B: It's so bad. [00:44:38] Speaker A: Vibing with me whatsoever. Now, I also want one note that I had here is that I needed to investigate how many times the words jaws clenched and growled showed up in this book. [00:44:50] Speaker B: And snarled. [00:44:52] Speaker A: I will tell you that in this book. [00:44:55] Speaker B: Or ja tick. He did the Todd. Ja tick. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah, we can look those up, too. Yeah. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:59] Speaker A: The word growl, or variations of it. Growling. Growled, what have you. Shows up 84 times. [00:45:07] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. Yeah. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Clenched, I thought was also another good one. 50 times. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Wow. Well, it's like, what's clenching? There are different things. Watching everything. [00:45:17] Speaker A: Clenching. Not good things. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Snarling, Growling. What was. I mean, he did it, like, all the time. When she talked to that teenager, he's like. [00:45:31] Speaker A: That's the thing that, like, is so confusing to me because I'm like, are people reading this and going, h. Yes. I want a man that. That is that obsessed about me and, like, doesn't want me to talk to any other man and gets upset if I look at anybody else or talk to anybody else, because I'm like, that's. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Or a child. Like a teenager as a child. I mean, she's a child, too, but. [00:45:51] Speaker A: It'S irritating to me. It's not healthy. [00:45:53] Speaker B: No. Yeah. First of all, he's groaned more than he's talked. I really feel like if you looked up his, like, dialogue, he's groaned or snarled or whatever. More than he is talked. [00:46:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And then anytime he talks, he has this, like, sort of. He just has a religious reverence for her. He does that is not rooted in, like, seeing her as, like, an equal. It's like, more like he's, like, praying to her at all times. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Well, you know, in that one. Did we talk about that? Like, in that one scene, they're having sex and he's, like, praying to. Or he's like, like, saying Psalms. That's how you say Psalm, right? [00:46:35] Speaker A: Sure, I think so. Is that right? [00:46:39] Speaker B: I think so. [00:46:39] Speaker A: We can look. [00:46:40] Speaker B: Psalms. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Definitely not that. [00:46:42] Speaker B: Not. But yeah, but the other thing is, like, there was one time when he said. Said when we talked about this. [00:46:49] Speaker A: Psalms. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Psalms, yeah. Like Kanye's son. Yeah, yeah. He said, I had the urge to lock her up. [00:46:58] Speaker A: What the. Weird. Yeah, it's weird. Which, you know, we talked a little bit about that. I see that so often in these books where it's like, men are like, I would, like, lock you up if I could, like, lock you away for, like, a week, I would. It's like, nobody wants that. [00:47:14] Speaker B: It's giving. Prison. Prisoner. Guard. Prison guard. King. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. That just. I Don't know. And that really led to me being over them as a dynamic. [00:47:24] Speaker B: Yeah, no, they were so boring. Yeah. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Let's see. [00:47:29] Speaker B: What else do you have? Anything? [00:47:31] Speaker A: Just more Zaleric and Taryn is all I can say. [00:47:34] Speaker B: I mean, when he. When Zaleric, like, hooked his. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Let's talk about them. Let's focus this conversation on them. I want to focus this conversation on them because what I have to say about the two of them is from the moment Zaleric and Taryn met each other, the flirtation and the energy between them was very much my kind of vibe. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. [00:47:58] Speaker A: It was witty. It was. It was fun. It was sexy. It was cool. It was. I. I could feel the tension between them that has never existed between DM and Luther in their dynamic. But Z, as I'll call him, he is one of the best written characters in this book series. The way he's written the dialogue that he says. First of all, the way that he flirts with Taryn is by calling him different names that start with T. He fully knows what his name is, but he calls him. Let's see. I wrote it down. All the different. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Terry, Tabitha. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Yeah, Terry, Tabitha. Just all types of different names. And it just bothers Terrance so much. [00:48:47] Speaker B: It makes me so mad. [00:48:50] Speaker A: And I love that. I know, because, you know, you can definitely tell sort of how things are going to evolve between the two of them. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Yeah. But he is, like, such a. He's such a interesting character. There's a lot of vulnerability to him. He's from a very interesting background. [00:49:09] Speaker B: Yeah. I want to know more. More about him. [00:49:11] Speaker A: I do, too. Because we find that he is half descended, half mortal, so he was banned from Lumnos for that reason. And he's got, like, incredible amount of power. Like, he's more powerful than Luther. So it, like those. Dm. [00:49:25] Speaker B: Is he. [00:49:26] Speaker A: I think so. Or is, like, equal as Luther? Right. [00:49:28] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:49:30] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:49:30] Speaker B: I think it was like they felt his aura, like, from, I don't know, a long time, you know, far away. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Yeah. But he's had to. I mean, he's had to be resourceful. He had to teach himself how to, like, master his magic. I love a resourceful man. [00:49:44] Speaker B: Me too. Yeah. [00:49:46] Speaker A: The person that I had for him. Hold on. [00:49:49] Speaker B: Oh, for. [00:49:50] Speaker A: So I had a casting for him. Yeah. There's a. Did you ever watch the show Sex Education? He. This actor was also the, like, I think the first black Doctor who. And he was in Barbie, and his name is Cootie Gatwa. [00:50:07] Speaker B: Oh, what was he in Barbie? [00:50:09] Speaker A: He was one of the kins. [00:50:11] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Okay. [00:50:13] Speaker A: And for whatever reason, as soon as I started reading a little bit about Z, I was like, this is who. That's just who I had in my mind's eye. [00:50:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Okay. What's the first name here? [00:50:27] Speaker A: I'll just turn my computer around to you so you can see it. Oh, hold on. [00:50:31] Speaker B: Oh, let me see. Oh, yeah. Yep, yep, I can see that. [00:50:37] Speaker A: That's who I had for him. Like, the way he moves and the way this guy dresses. A lot of the time, I'm like, oh, he's perfect for me. [00:50:43] Speaker B: I know. [00:50:45] Speaker A: But, yeah, I love that love story, and I wanted more of it. And they go back to Lumnos, and he's like, I'm just going to have to fend for myself. [00:50:53] Speaker B: He stays by his side even though his family's coming after him. I know, I know. I want. I want, like, a fanfiction about that. [00:51:01] Speaker A: I need a fanfiction. For sure. [00:51:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:05] Speaker A: What else? Anything else coming to mind for you with this? [00:51:07] Speaker B: So one thing. Do you know that part, it happened several times where, like, multiple people got on Sai's back. [00:51:18] Speaker A: My girl was putting in work. [00:51:20] Speaker B: She was putting in work. How did that work? [00:51:22] Speaker A: I need to file overtime. [00:51:23] Speaker B: How did that work? Is it. Was she like a. Like a hot air balloon or something? Was there a basket there? [00:51:29] Speaker A: And, like, they've mentioned her size before a couple times, how she's smaller than some of the other grinders. [00:51:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:36] Speaker A: They mentioned the sofa's gryvern was plump and petite. And I was like, that's a vibe. [00:51:41] Speaker B: Yeah, that is a vibe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Hanging out, not thinking anything's gonna happen to her. But anyway, Sarai. Yeah, there were, like, 30 people on her back. She's like a Greyhound bus. [00:51:53] Speaker B: The. She's a lion. She has a lion's body. [00:51:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:57] Speaker B: I was so confused because it was like. It almost was like they were, like, laying out on her. Like, it didn't make any sense. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Yeah. That whole fight in the sky, leaving Umbros didn't make any sense. And frankly, I was upset. Like, I got it afterwards that we understood that Luther was dying from God Stone from being shot with the godstone. [00:52:16] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. You didn't know that yet. [00:52:17] Speaker A: I didn't realize it. I was like, what's going on? Because he was such a religious sycophant that I thought that he was just being like. He just didn't want to sleep with her because he had taken some sort of weird religious Vow. [00:52:28] Speaker B: You know, I did think that. [00:52:29] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like, he's taking some sort of weird. There's some weird vow with the lumnose or the. Or the bond that he. Or the mating bond that he hasn't revealed. Whatever. I thought there was a number of things. So then it started to dawn on me that, like, maybe this man could. Could be ill. [00:52:46] Speaker B: It could be. I mean, every time I was like, just fucking put it in. [00:52:51] Speaker A: Just do it. Just do it. But I. I highly disagreed. Well, I mean, I understood the decision to leave Umbros, but I hated the decision to leave Umbros because the key to all the answers was Ambrose. She was willing to tell DM all the things that she wanted to know. [00:53:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:10] Speaker A: And I hated that DM made such an enemy out of someone who was willing to be an ally to her. [00:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Who. I mean, the entire time. I mean, even from the beginning. From the first. [00:53:20] Speaker A: From the very beginning. [00:53:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:22] Speaker A: And I don't know why she couldn't really see that. [00:53:25] Speaker B: I loved Ambrose's vibe, too, when she's like. [00:53:28] Speaker A: My girl was like, let me get rubbed on while I'm eating grapes. [00:53:30] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. Seriously, like 24 7. And then she was like, they're not. They don't work for me. This is their. This is their time off. [00:53:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:38] Speaker B: Loved it. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Love her. She looked great. [00:53:41] Speaker B: She looked great. Yeah. That dress they described in the end. Love it. [00:53:45] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, the vibe she's giving is Tracee Ellis Ross. [00:53:49] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [00:53:50] Speaker A: Every. Every snip of that interview that I see of Tracee Ellis Ross with Michelle Obama. Every snip or every. Every clip is perfect. [00:53:59] Speaker B: 100%. Yeah. [00:54:01] Speaker A: Us. [00:54:01] Speaker B: Just us. [00:54:02] Speaker A: 100%. [00:54:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Love her. [00:54:04] Speaker A: God. [00:54:04] Speaker B: Okay, that's podcast for her. That's it. [00:54:07] Speaker A: Yep. [00:54:08] Speaker B: What else do I have? Do you have anything else? [00:54:11] Speaker A: They probably do. [00:54:12] Speaker B: I mean, I'm just. [00:54:12] Speaker A: There's so much that I had. I don't want to overwhelm the people at home. [00:54:16] Speaker B: The shower scene. [00:54:18] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, let's talk about a little bit of the sex scenes we're gonna do. Dirty Dozen. But let's. Let's objectively just high level talk about the sex scenes in this book. [00:54:27] Speaker B: Okay, well, tree scene was first. [00:54:29] Speaker A: Right. [00:54:30] Speaker B: Where she, you know, took her dick hand and put it on her. [00:54:34] Speaker A: We should. Well, I mean, notably. But there was. Was a scene in Umbros where she gets service. [00:54:39] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. [00:54:41] Speaker A: But Luper does not. And he very confusingly pulls away from. [00:54:45] Speaker B: Her very, like, kind of traumatically you know? [00:54:48] Speaker A: Yeah. That's why I was like, it's got to be some sort of. He's taken a vow of abstinence. [00:54:54] Speaker B: See, that's when I. When I figured it out. Because he wouldn't let her open the shirt. Yeah. Take his shirt off. And so I. I was like, oh, there has to be something. Because. Because when I was gonna say Cassian, when Taryn got hit with a godstone, Luther kept being like, should you be honest with him about how bad it is? Like, should a loved one. And so that you were picking up the signs. [00:55:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:55:20] Speaker B: But that was like a. That was a weird scene. I can't stand her. I really can't stand her. [00:55:27] Speaker A: You can't stand dm. [00:55:28] Speaker B: I know. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. I know. It's so frustrating because she didn't have to be written this way. Okay, so we have that scene that basically gives us not. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah, she is. [00:55:38] Speaker A: Service. [00:55:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:39] Speaker A: Which I love to see a woman. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Get service, but not serviced in the. In the best way. [00:55:43] Speaker A: No. [00:55:43] Speaker B: Do you know what I mean? [00:55:44] Speaker A: No. I mean, it did leave her a little, Right. Because he pulled away. [00:55:48] Speaker B: Oh, totally. [00:55:49] Speaker A: She didn't finish. She didn't finish. [00:55:51] Speaker B: I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so. [00:55:54] Speaker A: I mean, so it's realistic. So anyway, then there's the next scene against the tree. We can move there also. Nobody's getting satisfied there. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Nobody's getting. They're like two, you know, 15 year olds that are like, I don't know if I'm ready for sex yet. Like, they eat, have their hands down their pants. [00:56:10] Speaker A: He's like 900 years old. We don't even know how old he is. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Has he ever had sex? [00:56:15] Speaker A: Great question. I think he had with Ileana, right? [00:56:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:56:20] Speaker A: There's mention of some intimacy with Ileana in this book. He definitely mentions that. Like, he just thought he was gonna live a miserable life married to Ileana. And I'm like, well, that's most people in real life, isn't it? [00:56:32] Speaker B: And I mean, the thing about the tree is, like, he's like, I don't want to do it with you, like the first time up against a tree. And I was like, do it. [00:56:40] Speaker A: Put it in. [00:56:43] Speaker B: What's the problem? [00:56:45] Speaker A: You're right there. [00:56:48] Speaker B: I mean, it was just too much. [00:56:50] Speaker A: Okay, so tell me again how you figured out the mystery of the dick hand. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Because so the mom came up and was like. I mean, it was just like they were in the middle of it. In the middle of nothing, basically. But. And then there Was that thing where it was like she took her hand out and then he tucked himself back. [00:57:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I just picture a lot of floundering around, a lot of things just flailing. [00:57:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And he was like. It's just, like, very ungraceful. Like, very un. Rhysand. Like, you know. You know, Rhysand would be like. [00:57:23] Speaker A: He would just snap his wrist and it would just be. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:57:25] Speaker A: Shadows. Yes. Yeah. So probably he, honest to God, would have hidden them so the mom wouldn't have even seen them. [00:57:31] Speaker B: I think Luther could have done that. That. [00:57:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:34] Speaker B: He's just not very smart. So anyway, so then she takes her. So then I just know, because what is she gonna do? Like, wipe the hair, hand on the leaves or something? But she doesn't do that. Then her mom, like, holds out her hand and she takes it and then hugs her. I don't like it. [00:57:53] Speaker A: No, that shouldn't have happened. Why didn't the editors take that out? What's going on? [00:57:58] Speaker B: No, I mean, maybe it's something with the time. I don't know. [00:58:02] Speaker A: I hate that detail. And now I'm gonna be thinking about it. [00:58:05] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:58:06] Speaker A: So nothing happens there. But then we moved to Sophos, and they have this shower, which, interestingly, this all happened after they fought a bloody battle in the streets of Sof. Sophos. Right. [00:58:18] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, his. I mean, his thing with her was like, you go wash yourself. So at least I appreciated that. [00:58:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:26] Speaker B: But honestly, like, it wasn't giving me anything. I mean, it was weird. It was weird because he kept. He was like. You know, he was jerking off to her and he was like, wash yourself. The soap. Use the soap. It was just really fucking weird. [00:58:40] Speaker A: It was. Yeah. There was a weird voyeurism to it. [00:58:43] Speaker B: There was. Yes, yes, there was. [00:58:45] Speaker A: It was giving pasta sex. Voyeurism. [00:58:46] Speaker B: Giving pasta sex. [00:58:47] Speaker A: Llc. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Yep, yep. Shower version. Yeah, yeah. It was very weird. Yeah. [00:58:53] Speaker A: The bathing her, the washing her, that kind of stuff. [00:58:56] Speaker B: You know what? I will say. You know what I was reminded of. I sent you that article. Keanu Reeves. I have to bring him up. And who was the woman that. The actress that worked with him that was, like, kind of, you know, trying. [00:59:11] Speaker A: To, like, Oh, I do not remember what her name was. [00:59:15] Speaker B: But anyway, he, like, put her in the shower. Like, she came over and then he put her in the shower. [00:59:21] Speaker A: Yes. [00:59:22] Speaker B: I mean, to be fair, I think she was, like, 17, so. [00:59:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And he kept turning her down. [00:59:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:29] Speaker A: I own Young Sky. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Oh, I own a Sky from that movie. [00:59:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. She kept trying to invite him in. And he was like, no. [00:59:40] Speaker B: Oh, no. But that reminded me of the. The shower scene. [00:59:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that's very true. And I was like, not yet. [00:59:46] Speaker B: Not yet him or. Oh, Luther. [00:59:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Luther kept being like, not yet because. [00:59:51] Speaker B: And she was like. She was frustrated. She was like, why not? [00:59:55] Speaker A: Welcome to the club, girl. Welcome to the club. We're all frustrated. We're all sitting here wondering what the. [01:00:00] Speaker B: Is going on. Frustrated. Yeah. [01:00:02] Speaker A: So then they go over. [01:00:03] Speaker B: He does put it in. And you're still frustrated. [01:00:06] Speaker A: I'm still like, well, just as I thought, a disappointment. How long does this have to go on? I got five minutes. Let's get it going. [01:00:14] Speaker B: Seriously. [01:00:16] Speaker A: So then he has a date set up for her at the library, and it's there that somebody sneaks him a vial of green liquid and he just downs it. The contraceptive liquid. We love a man who uses protection without putting up a fight. [01:00:33] Speaker B: Right, right. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Like Henri. [01:00:35] Speaker B: Henri, yeah. Oh, should I. Do I have to? No, he just wants babies. [01:00:40] Speaker A: God, the worst. So at least. At least. [01:00:43] Speaker B: At least he did that. [01:00:44] Speaker A: You know what that makes me think, though, a little bit about one thing I did enjoy throughout this. Were a little bit more of a lovable character for me, I would have enjoyed this a bit more. But she has these moments where, like, she really reflects on whether or not like, the traditional sort of life is for her. And to say, does she want to be married? Does she want to have kids? Whatever. Right. She was pretty clear on the fact that, like, she's not even sure that she wants to be married. She, like, likes what she and Luther have, Whatever. But by the end of the book, that has started to evolve where she's like, I could see us living on the farm with some goats and kids and stuff. And I'm like, you have abandoned us. [01:01:18] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, by the end of the last book, she's going to be pregnant. [01:01:23] Speaker A: Oh, totally. Yeah. [01:01:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:25] Speaker A: And it's going to get one star for me. [01:01:27] Speaker B: With a religious child. [01:01:28] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. Luther's going to, like, retire and be working down at the. The Lumnos Church. Second Avenue Baptist, Lumnus Church, Seventh Day Adventist, Lumnose Church. [01:01:40] Speaker B: Passing around the. [01:01:41] Speaker A: The Church of Latter Day Lumnos, going on mission trips, trying to convert people in other realms. [01:01:49] Speaker B: Jesus Christ, God. And just. It really ruined it for me. Yeah, Just the religiosity, you know, I don't. I mean, there's nothing worse than, like, an extremely religious white man besides Adam Brody from Nobody Wants this. [01:02:07] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. That's the only One I'll be accepting. That's the only. That's the only applicant I will accept. [01:02:13] Speaker B: Oh, my God. All right, what was I thinking? What was the other thing I was thinking? [01:02:17] Speaker A: Oh, wait, I'm sorry. We did not talk about the. We didn't talk in full about the sex scene. [01:02:20] Speaker B: The shower scene. [01:02:21] Speaker A: In the library? No, in the library. We don't have to get into details, but, I mean, it was just very. It was boring. It was disappointing to me. It happened very fast. It was a lot of slammin home. Then it was sensual kisses. Then it was. We did it all over the library on top of War and Peace. Then we did it on top of, you know, Cinderella. Then we did it on, like, a very. Then we did it on a very rare copy of. Of the Quran. Then we did it over here. And this, that, the other. It was just, like, boring. [01:02:53] Speaker B: There was that one. I thought that was hilarious. I mean, there was that one time when she was like. Yeah. The attendance came in when I was ha. When he was halfway down my throat. [01:03:03] Speaker A: What a sight to behold. It's like, girl, you didn't hear footsteps? [01:03:07] Speaker B: Seriously, what's going on? [01:03:10] Speaker A: Again, I'm just like. It's also weird because she's 19 years old. She's 20. 20. [01:03:15] Speaker B: She's 20. Yeah. [01:03:17] Speaker A: And he's how old? [01:03:17] Speaker B: We still don't know, like, 900. [01:03:21] Speaker A: Anyway, what else? Teller. [01:03:23] Speaker B: Teller. Yeah, I have a few. Like, Teller. I. I'm not a big fan of Teller. [01:03:29] Speaker A: I like Teller. I think that. I mean, I. Part of me is like, you. You got to get over this. Like, you can't be whiny. [01:03:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:38] Speaker A: And I'm also like. It's very dramatic that you left Lily and. And Lumnos. It's like, you know, whatever. But I'm also like, you know, if you had a terrible sister, like dm, what the are you gonna do? [01:03:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. You're like, I gotta move. [01:03:50] Speaker A: I gotta. I gotta make something shake. [01:03:51] Speaker B: I gotta go to college. [01:03:53] Speaker A: He was out studying abroad in sofos, taking a gap year. She has made his life miserable. [01:04:00] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Her and her mom. [01:04:01] Speaker A: Yeah. His life is miserable. [01:04:03] Speaker B: Her. His dad's gone. I mean, he was the only one that was. [01:04:06] Speaker A: His life is bad. And. Yeah, no, I mean, I'm interested to see how his character sort of evolves. Hopefully it gets a little bit better. But right now I'm like, well, you. [01:04:16] Speaker B: Know what I think is going to happen? An Acotar thing where he's, like, made into immortal because they're. Or yeah. There's that weird thing, like, you know, Lily is. I wonder how old she is. She's probably like 200. [01:04:33] Speaker A: Maybe. Yeah. [01:04:34] Speaker B: Looks like a 20 year old. Looks like a 16 year old, but. And he's just gonna age. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. [01:04:41] Speaker B: Don't we all? [01:04:42] Speaker A: Reluctantly. [01:04:43] Speaker B: Yes. [01:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah. But overall, I mean, again, like, the adventure of this book, like the world building. Love the introduction of the side characters. I want more of the side characters next book. I wish that, like, we would just completely cut off the, The. The viewpoint of dm. I. I just struggle because I just. I think there could. There was so much opportunity here to develop likable, fully fledged characters in DM and Luther. And I think the ball was dropped. [01:05:19] Speaker B: No. Yeah. [01:05:20] Speaker A: So much more could have been done with Luther. He's not even dynamic either. He's not funny. [01:05:24] Speaker B: He's not. [01:05:24] Speaker A: He doesn't talk a lot. Like, what am I supposed to do here with this? [01:05:28] Speaker B: Yeah. He basically just growls. [01:05:30] Speaker A: He does. And I'm like, I don't know how I'm supposed to get the most out of this. Like, root for them. I'm rooting for everybody else. I want to move on. [01:05:38] Speaker B: I mean, I want one of them to die. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Honestly, it's probably going to happen. I'm like. I kind of am. Like, why don't we just off them and just have Z move up into the crown of Lumnos? [01:05:47] Speaker B: Or even like DM ending up with Aemond or Simon. [01:05:51] Speaker A: We don't even know what's going on with those. With Aemon or Simon. Yeah, Aemond. We don't even know what's going on with him. He's another one. [01:05:59] Speaker B: You know, there's going to be a redemption arc. One of them, if not both of them. [01:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:04] Speaker B: So should we talk about, like, questions are that. We have kind of asked questions. [01:06:09] Speaker A: We've been asking questions. [01:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Like, where's her mom now? [01:06:13] Speaker A: Hiding in the trees, I guess. Of Monteos with the other guardians. Who knows? [01:06:18] Speaker B: Is her dad actually good? Like the biological. The sire. [01:06:21] Speaker A: Okay. We didn't even talk about him that much because he was so boring. [01:06:25] Speaker B: Boring. [01:06:26] Speaker A: He was. You know who I saw? I saw for him. Oh, who did you see for him? [01:06:30] Speaker B: Jeff Goldblum. [01:06:32] Speaker A: Oh, no. Did you. Is that who you saw? [01:06:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that's how I. Okay. [01:06:38] Speaker A: I saw Xiamen Hansu. Who is this actor? [01:06:44] Speaker B: Oh, love him. Yeah. Yeah. What was he in? [01:06:48] Speaker A: He's been in a lot of different. [01:06:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Do you know what he was in that? I love the show. Did you ever watch Aliens? [01:06:55] Speaker A: Yes. [01:06:56] Speaker B: He was in that. [01:06:57] Speaker A: Bits and pieces. Yeah. He was a gladiator. He's been in everything. Yeah, he's been in a lot of things. He used to be married to Kimora Lee Simmons. Who. [01:07:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:07:06] Speaker A: They have got kids together. But he was in Guardians of the Galaxy. I mean, he's been a lot of big blockbusters. [01:07:11] Speaker B: Okay, I could see that. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Yeah. I. That's kind of who I saw. [01:07:15] Speaker B: He's like an intimidating. Yeah, yeah. [01:07:19] Speaker A: But I'm so interested to see, understand how DM is going to be like, the anecdote to this character. If she's supposed to be like, how is she supposed to take down. [01:07:30] Speaker B: Oh, the. I don't think she will. I think it's going to end up that he is actually the God. He's like the youngest brother. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:39] Speaker B: And then, I don't know. I mean, they were kind of setting up Daenerys, like, where she was, like, so hungry for power. So that might be what happens. [01:07:49] Speaker A: I mean, I thought I saw that in the. What was it? The first. No, the second book. Whenever she was at the Challenging. [01:07:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:57] Speaker A: So, yeah. Who knows? [01:07:59] Speaker B: I'm really not even, like, very curious. I want Taryn and Zalaric and that's it. [01:08:06] Speaker A: Yeah. I just want their story. I want them battling things together. I want them running off to some, like, island together and loving each other and I want their met. [01:08:18] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. Me too. [01:08:20] Speaker A: Because it would be great. [01:08:21] Speaker B: I know it would. Yeah. [01:08:23] Speaker A: Not DM and Luther over here. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Except it's weird. Like, Zalark at one point is described as half Taran size, which I think is a little weird. [01:08:33] Speaker A: It's giving you little. [01:08:35] Speaker B: Ew. I don't like it. [01:08:36] Speaker A: You know, I don't like. I don't. Yeah, it doesn't work for me. Which is interesting because I didn't see the lyric as being really little. [01:08:44] Speaker B: Me neither. No, I mean, when he came in, he called himself the Jaguar. I saw him as a jaguar. [01:08:49] Speaker A: I saw him, like, moving really nice and being svelte and, like, moving very luxuriously. [01:08:55] Speaker B: Doing a little dance. Yeah. [01:08:57] Speaker A: More of him. [01:08:58] Speaker B: I know we need more of him. [01:09:00] Speaker A: It's gonna be. It's gonna be a pool to get me back into the fourth book whenever. Oh. [01:09:05] Speaker B: Oh. And I'm 100% not reading. You know how sometimes, like, when you forget, you really. You read the books over again? I'm not doing it. [01:09:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:14] Speaker B: I mean, Pen, I think she can do better. [01:09:18] Speaker A: I think she could do better, too. I mean, the two lead characters in this book were so boring. I'M like so much more could have been done with them. [01:09:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And honestly, I kind of wonder if she's a little religious like you. Yeah, I wouldn't even know how to write that character. Yeah. [01:09:38] Speaker A: I mean he was praying all the time something would happen. He'd going like, yeah. [01:09:43] Speaker B: And like Taran at one point was like lumnosis tits. And he goes, that's blasphemous. [01:09:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's like me being little and like being around a religious friend and being like, oh darn. And then be like, you cursed. [01:09:55] Speaker B: Oh my God. What? [01:09:59] Speaker A: And then being like, I can't hang out here. I got to go see the catch up on the Real World. Bye. [01:10:05] Speaker B: The Devil Show. [01:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I gotta go watch mtv. Thanks. [01:10:11] Speaker B: Trl. [01:10:12] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. In there watching Sex and I see my mom being like, I just think that this is maybe just a little bit too soon for you. [01:10:20] Speaker B: No, I mean I, I don't think my parents paid attention to whatever. Like I watched whatever Andrew watched. Yeah, yeah. [01:10:29] Speaker A: And Andrew was in there got watching God knows what. [01:10:31] Speaker B: Shh. [01:10:33] Speaker A: Who knows? Anything else? [01:10:37] Speaker B: I don't think so. [01:10:38] Speaker A: Not anything of note. [01:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I guess my only. You know, I'm always stuck on this. If they have magic, why don't they have plumbing? [01:10:48] Speaker A: It's a great question. [01:10:50] Speaker B: I'm just imagining like the, like, what do they do? Do they have like a bucket or like. [01:10:56] Speaker A: I don't know. I mean I would assume if they have showers and that they have toilets. Toilets. [01:10:59] Speaker B: Yeah. But I think they only had showers and sofos. They had baths everywhere else in Umbros. I think so Maybe it just. [01:11:07] Speaker A: Let's just assume that they, it just, they just didn't describe it. [01:11:10] Speaker B: Okay, let's. Well, we can assume that. [01:11:11] Speaker A: Let's just assume they didn't because Z would not be using a bucket. [01:11:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:11:18] Speaker A: My man is not using a bucket. [01:11:19] Speaker B: No, he's not. No. He's created something with his magic. [01:11:23] Speaker A: Yeah, there's something in there the likes of which nobody's ever seen. It's a toilet. [01:11:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That sounded like Trump. I think he always said more than the likes you've ever seen. Yeah, we're going to have an economy. [01:11:36] Speaker A: God, I don't ever want to do anything that's in the vein of him. [01:11:40] Speaker B: He's the worst. Well, so should we play the game? [01:11:45] Speaker A: Let's do it. [01:11:46] Speaker B: I think we have to. And I'm a little bit concerned about it, but I'll get through it. [01:11:50] Speaker A: We're going to do it. This is a good time. For me just to say. Okay, let's set a little mood music to set the scene, shall we? [01:11:57] Speaker B: Oh, are we gonna. Okay, yeah. [01:11:59] Speaker A: So we're gonna let that get started. Let that come in. [01:12:02] Speaker B: Perfect. [01:12:03] Speaker A: And then as we do this. What I realized. [01:12:08] Speaker B: Jillian, you didn't. You don't have the. [01:12:10] Speaker A: Nope. But hope is not lost. [01:12:13] Speaker B: Okay. [01:12:13] Speaker A: We could just do a number generator. [01:12:15] Speaker B: Do it. I don't know what this is. Yeah, do it like a calculator. [01:12:20] Speaker A: No. Oh, let's see. Let's see. Do you want to go first, or do you want me to go first? [01:12:26] Speaker B: I'll go first. [01:12:26] Speaker A: Okay. So I'm going to do the magic filter right here. Okay. You got four. Perfect. [01:12:36] Speaker B: Okay. I just don't even know how to say it. Like, I don't even know. Like, do I say it in an accent? [01:12:43] Speaker A: Like, just to distance myself? I think you bear down. [01:12:46] Speaker B: Okay. Here, Bear down. [01:12:49] Speaker A: Then you find whatever works for you. [01:12:51] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [01:12:55] Speaker A: This is chapter 22. Chapter 22, take one. [01:12:58] Speaker B: The hard Christian. I can't look. The hard ridge of his arousal was undeniable where it strained against his trousers and dug into the still tender flesh beneath between my legs. Does this feel like. I do not desire you? He hissed Too much. [01:13:22] Speaker A: I don't desire you. I'm kidding. No, that was perfect. Here's the thing. Started out. Started out, you were a little timid, and then you quickly got into it. [01:13:31] Speaker B: That's a usual. That's a Jillian classic right there. [01:13:34] Speaker A: I love it. [01:13:34] Speaker B: You're like, you know what? [01:13:35] Speaker A: I got this perfect. So let me. I'm going to cross this out. [01:13:41] Speaker B: Okay. [01:13:42] Speaker A: Let me see. [01:13:44] Speaker B: Hello. [01:13:45] Speaker A: If I know how to do that, maybe I'll just highlight it in red. I think that works. Okay. You ready for the. [01:13:52] Speaker B: Your next. [01:13:53] Speaker A: Okay, look. So keeping me honest. Oh, two. [01:13:58] Speaker B: Two. [01:13:58] Speaker A: That's what it's supposed to be. [01:13:59] Speaker B: Okay. I'm so jealous. This one's easy. Go ahead. [01:14:03] Speaker A: This is from chapter 72. [01:14:05] Speaker B: Uhhuh. [01:14:06] Speaker A: I shoved him to his back and settled over him, seating him to the hilt. [01:14:11] Speaker B: What is the hilt? [01:14:12] Speaker A: The base of the penis. [01:14:13] Speaker B: Oh, like the. Like. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I. She just did a, like, down graphic. Okay. What am I. [01:14:22] Speaker A: Okay. [01:14:25] Speaker B: No, you already up. We did four, right? Seven. [01:14:31] Speaker A: Oh, this. It's your week. [01:14:35] Speaker B: And I picked these out, so. Or not. We Both agree. Chapter 63. Maybe I need to take matters into my own hands. My. My fingers curled around his cock. And I say that in such a Midwestern way. And I love it. And his grip on me twitched. His hips grounded forward Urging me on. Love that. [01:14:59] Speaker A: Poetic. Yeah, I hate it. [01:15:02] Speaker B: I hate that word. [01:15:03] Speaker A: You know, I can't, like. If there's something that I hate, it's that. Okay, so here's my next roll. 11. Okay. [01:15:13] Speaker B: Look at all the easy ones. [01:15:15] Speaker A: Chapter 72. Shall I get on my knees for you? He murmured against my mouth. Or would you rather I forced you to your knees for myself? [01:15:26] Speaker B: That was in the. The library. [01:15:29] Speaker A: There's a lot going on in that library. [01:15:32] Speaker B: What am I doing next? [01:15:33] Speaker A: Oh, God, here we go. [01:15:35] Speaker B: I'm so nervous. Nine. Oh, my God. Okay, here we go. [01:15:41] Speaker A: Okay. [01:15:42] Speaker B: Chapter seven, chapter 72. Library scene. He pulled me to his base and nearly unraveled, uttering strangled psalms of worship to my name. The sound of him so out of control had me aching at my core. We were liquid fire and just incarnate. So over full with pleasure, we might burn ourselves to ash. [01:16:08] Speaker A: First of all, you should know that when it came to the work corps, you went core really, really leaned into that one there. I'm proud. Love that. [01:16:17] Speaker B: Did I get the part? [01:16:18] Speaker A: You get the audition. [01:16:19] Speaker B: Go. [01:16:19] Speaker A: Yeah, get the part. Okay, let's see my next roll here. [01:16:27] Speaker B: I hope you get eight. I hope you get eight. Ah, yes. [01:16:30] Speaker A: Oh, here we go. This is from chapter 63. Okay. His thickened in my hand as his release grew as imminent as mine. My legs began to tremble, pleasure overwhelming every sense. I buried my head in the crook of his neck as the urge to scream his name hovered on my tongue. My core was throbbing, my skin prickling, my body melting. We were close. So close. [01:17:03] Speaker B: Okay, then. Then the mom came in. I think that's what happened, right? [01:17:07] Speaker A: That. Think so. [01:17:07] Speaker B: Then the mom was like, what the are you doing? [01:17:10] Speaker A: And rightfully, to my little girl. Okay, here you go. [01:17:14] Speaker B: Three. [01:17:17] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. [01:17:18] Speaker B: Okay. Eyes on me, Bellator, he ordered as his palm slid between my legs. We both sucked in a breath at the. At the revealing wetness he found. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Hate it. [01:17:35] Speaker B: This is like the worst. The hard calluses. They always talk about that on his palm from years of wielding blades created excruciatingly sweet friction against. I hate this word against my slick skin. I hate the word slick. His fingers circled in a way that had my body arching and my hands clawing at the marble. Where was that? 25. [01:18:00] Speaker A: I think that was in Umbros. [01:18:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you notice how I, like, would stop every once in a while and, like, bring something else up? [01:18:08] Speaker A: Yeah. You're. You're trying to run from the situation. [01:18:10] Speaker B: I'm avoiding. I'm being avoidant. [01:18:12] Speaker A: You're being avoided. [01:18:12] Speaker B: It's fine. [01:18:13] Speaker A: Okay. [01:18:15] Speaker B: 12. [01:18:15] Speaker A: Do we want to do 12? [01:18:16] Speaker B: I don't think so. [01:18:17] Speaker A: Okay, this is from chapter 71. [01:18:22] Speaker B: My favorite. [01:18:23] Speaker A: I smile to myself and unclasped his belt, then tugged down his pants, his arousal springing free when I kneel to pull them down his legs. His twitched at my nearness. Hate it. [01:18:38] Speaker B: Hate that. All right, I guess we have to go on. [01:18:41] Speaker A: Sprang free though. [01:18:42] Speaker B: Spring. [01:18:43] Speaker A: Very. It's like. Emancipate the dick. Let it go. [01:18:48] Speaker B: Free it. [01:18:49] Speaker A: Okay, here we go. [01:18:51] Speaker B: 10. Okay. [01:18:54] Speaker A: Yes. [01:18:54] Speaker B: I gasped his name and he twitched inside me with a contented rumble. [01:18:59] Speaker A: That's what. [01:19:00] Speaker B: That's the only thing he does. He waited, allowing me to adjust to the fullness. But I was greedy and impatient. I rolled my hips against him, forcing him deeper, and buried his groan in a ravenous kiss. I think that was good. [01:19:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's chapter 72. That was wonderful. Oh, I always forget to say, you knocked it out. Park. Okay, there we go. [01:19:22] Speaker B: God, some of these are just so bad. [01:19:24] Speaker A: 4. We've already done that one. 2. I think we've done that one too, right? 1. [01:19:30] Speaker B: Okay, one we haven't done yet. [01:19:33] Speaker A: So. Chapter 19. Still the heat remained. My core was boiling, provoked by his protective touches and the most mountain of heavy fabric suffocating me in my textile coffin. [01:19:46] Speaker B: The word coffin doesn't belong anywhere near that. [01:19:49] Speaker A: I've got notes. It's so weird. This shouldn't have made it out of the final editing round for sure. [01:19:57] Speaker B: Okay, I know which one you're gonna get. Okay, here we go. I did not know what it was to need until I met you. This is like he's kind of angrily saying this, like in the end. Oh, this is chapter 25. One look from you, just the fucking sound of your voice, and my cock gets hard. One touch of your skin and I can barely think beyond dragging you into the nearest bed. This is the worst. Every second I'm not inside you is another wasted moment of my miserable life. Good. [01:20:39] Speaker A: I love that. [01:20:40] Speaker B: That was good. [01:20:41] Speaker A: That is just such a. Just a proclamation of love. [01:20:46] Speaker B: Call the cops. [01:20:48] Speaker A: And I think that leaves number six for me. Okay, chapter 63. [01:20:53] Speaker B: Yep. Classic. [01:20:55] Speaker A: He growled at the challenge. His fingers plunged in with that one warning and dragged a loud moan from my throat. His other hand clamped across my mouth as he smirked. Careful. There's all kinds of dangerous beasts in this forest. Although he hooked a finger inside me to knee to net the. The. That hidden sensitive spot. And my back arched as my grip on him turned bruising. I caught the most dangerous beast of them all. A man calls be a beast. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Oh, well, no, she's saying that about him. [01:21:27] Speaker A: Oh, is she? [01:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. [01:21:29] Speaker A: I hate it. [01:21:29] Speaker B: He says, careful, there's all kinds of dangerous beasts. Yeah. No. God, no. If it's the opposite. [01:21:37] Speaker A: Oh, I thought it was him talking to her because. Yeah. [01:21:40] Speaker B: Oh, maybe it is. [01:21:42] Speaker A: Cuz it's like he. He goes, although. And then he hooks a finger inside of her. [01:21:47] Speaker B: What the. [01:21:50] Speaker A: Not my cup of tea. Well, that's that. [01:21:54] Speaker B: That's that. [01:21:54] Speaker A: What a game. [01:21:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:21:56] Speaker A: I love a little Dirty Dozen. Although this did nothing for me, so it was. It was. It's hard to do a game of Dirty Dozen when the two characters. [01:22:04] Speaker B: No pun intended. Pun intended. Yeah, it's hard. [01:22:08] Speaker A: All right, well, does that wrap us up for this? [01:22:10] Speaker B: I feel like a 12 year old boy. Yeah, go ahead. [01:22:12] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Thank you for listening. We will be back soon with our next read and we can't wait. Also, if you are feeling the vibe, rate and subscribe, subscribe please. Five star ratings do wonders for us. [01:22:25] Speaker B: Really? We love it. So you're five stars? Not four, not three? We're five. [01:22:28] Speaker A: Five. [01:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Etoile. That's a star in French. [01:22:32] Speaker A: Okay. Just a little thank you for that. [01:22:37] Speaker B: Eighth grade French. [01:22:38] Speaker A: Yes. [01:22:39] Speaker B: Well, thank you to Christian, Christian McCann for keeping our sound in check. And as always, thank you to the illustrious Lincoln Lodge in Chicago, Illinois. [01:22:48] Speaker A: Also, one note we didn't put that here is that all of the opinions and things expressed here are ours and ours alone and do not reflect the opinions of our respective employers, which we love so much. [01:22:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, Trump would get upset. Yeah, totally. If he knew that this was happening. Yeah. All right, all right, bye.