O Captain! My Captain!

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Hi, and welcome to Spellbound, a Romantasy podcast. I'm Deidre. [00:00:11] Speaker B: And I'm Jillian. [00:00:12] Speaker A: Thanks for joining us. [00:00:13] Speaker B: How you doing? [00:00:14] Speaker A: I'm doing all right, girl. I'm just holding in. I'm holding on tight as best as I can. [00:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:20] Speaker A: It's only Tuesday. We're almost there. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Don't look down. [00:00:24] Speaker A: Tuesday's a rough day of the week. [00:00:25] Speaker B: It is a rough day. I thought today I was like, oh, it's the weekend tomorrow. And then I was like, wrong. [00:00:30] Speaker A: You couldn't be more wrong. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Could not be more wrong. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Tuesday. I was born on a Tuesday. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Oh. [00:00:36] Speaker A: But Tuesday is in some ways the worst day of the week. Like, it is not Monday, which I think everybody kind of has Sunday scaries for, like, you know that, like, brace yourself for impact. Right. Wednesday's hump day. People celebrate it. You're like, we're almost there. You have, like, you know, water cooler talk at the office. If you're still going in the office, you're like, I see light at the end of the tunnel. You know, it's kind of one of those things. And then Thursday is like. I mean, it's basically Friday. You know, if you're. If you're slacking off, and then Friday is what it is. There's nothing to. You have to get through Tuesday. [00:01:05] Speaker B: You have to. Yeah, absolutely. It's kind of like doing our recordings on Tuesday. [00:01:10] Speaker A: It gives you something to look forward to. [00:01:12] Speaker B: Yeah, totally true. You know, if aliens look down at us, they'd be like, why the. Are you talking about the days a week? [00:01:18] Speaker A: They're gonna be like, it won't matter soon. So. [00:01:21] Speaker B: Will not. And I'm like, take me. [00:01:24] Speaker A: It's time. [00:01:24] Speaker B: I'm yours. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Yeah. That'd be better in some instances than what's going on. Work and in life going well for you. Just came back from a really fun trip with family. [00:01:35] Speaker B: I did. I did. I came back from Cape Cod. It was. It was interesting. Yeah. All of us being together again. Well, besides one family, but, yeah, that was. We saw some whales. That was cool. [00:01:48] Speaker A: Okay. [00:01:49] Speaker B: And. Yeah, I love that. It's nice. [00:01:52] Speaker A: I love that you bought me back some really nice chocolates. I can't wait to try those. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Oh, my God, the shells. [00:01:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:58] Speaker B: Chatham Candy Manor. The best. [00:02:02] Speaker A: You know, I loved catching up with you when we caught up over brunch on Saturday because I'm just, like, living my best, you know, wealthy Caucasian life vicariously through you, and I love it. I'm like, we vacationed on the Cape. Yes. Thank you. [00:02:16] Speaker B: It's kind of ridiculous. It's like, you know, you sit there and you're on the Sunset and you're like, how much is that house? [00:02:22] Speaker A: Oh, look at that one. [00:02:24] Speaker B: That's got to be over 4 million. [00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:26] Speaker B: I mean, they're insane. [00:02:27] Speaker A: It's crazy. You're like, only the people who actually probably settled this. This colony are the families that still have homes. [00:02:36] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Love that. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:40] Speaker A: I'm sure you saw, like, a lot of, like, scene. Salmon colored shorts or polo shirts. Shorts with, like, prints of lobsters on them. That's kind of what I imagine that would be. [00:02:49] Speaker B: I mean, I saw a lot of those stores. But the thing is, like, because it was second week of September, like, a lot of the tourists were gone, so it was like, you know, the shopkeepers were sort of like, get the hell out of here. We don't want to see anyone anymore. And. But yeah, so that was interesting. It was a good trip. [00:03:09] Speaker A: I'm glad. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Did I ever tell you that when I was a kid, we were at Nantucket, Another insufferable place. [00:03:20] Speaker A: I'm leaning into the fantasy. Go ahead. [00:03:21] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And we drove by Mr. Rogers house. [00:03:25] Speaker A: No. [00:03:26] Speaker B: And he was in the window reading. [00:03:29] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:03:30] Speaker B: I know. [00:03:30] Speaker A: I would have died. [00:03:32] Speaker B: I think about that moment a lot. [00:03:33] Speaker A: With a sweet, sweet man. [00:03:34] Speaker B: I know, I know. [00:03:36] Speaker A: What a sweet man. I. I sometimes I think about watching Mr. Rogers. And there was something that I. I used to be so transfixed at his routine when he would come in that door, like, changing his cardigan, putting on the new shoe. There was something about that whole situation that, like, had me locked in, you. [00:03:52] Speaker B: Know, I think that it. I think there is something. Because kids really crave routine. And so he's, like, modeling it, and he's sort of. I mean, he. That man. I can't even talk about it. [00:04:02] Speaker A: An icon. We need more like him. For sure. All right. Any millennial moments for you this week? I certainly have my own. [00:04:11] Speaker B: I mean, you know, I think I was thinking about this. I was like, I think I have, like, a couple of aging things, so we'll welcome that. [00:04:18] Speaker A: The one in the same. [00:04:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, first was like, so at this, at this rental house, there was a pool with a. [00:04:27] Speaker A: A water slide. [00:04:28] Speaker B: I mean, it was absurd. [00:04:29] Speaker A: You're going to throw your back out on that, for sure. [00:04:32] Speaker B: So. Bruised my ribs. [00:04:33] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:04:34] Speaker B: I mean, it was very bad. But then, anyway, I came back and I was like. I think I was telling you this. I was at the playground with one of my nieces, and she was like, come on, let's play tag. And I was like. I said out loud. I was like, no person over 35 should ever play tag. [00:04:51] Speaker A: I don't know what you're doing. Too risky. [00:04:53] Speaker B: You could adult fall. It's like such a problem and they're. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Fatal now at this age, they are. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Have you see the headlights? [00:05:00] Speaker A: You're not bouncing back from that. You will never break your hip. You will never physically or financially recover from a fall in this day and age. So good for you for protecting yourself. [00:05:12] Speaker B: I did. [00:05:13] Speaker A: I did. I love that. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:15] Speaker A: Well, as you know, I'm in the process of doing a very adult thing, which is looking to purchase a condo. And I'm terrified out of my mind. But I have to say that I have a very sturdy, mature and unflappable real estate agent leading me through the process. [00:05:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:39] Speaker A: This real estate agent was not alive when 911 occurred. No. You would have never guessed it though. I would have never guessed it. But there was a conversation. I had the inspection this weekend and there was a conversation, just friendly conversation between, you know, that going on between myself, my real estate agent and the seller's agent, you know, just to be there. They were there as a buffer. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:04] Speaker A: And the seller's real estate agent revealed that he's like 42 years old. He didn't look at all 42. And my real estate agent revealed that he's 25. And I was like, well, I. Yeah, 25. So maybe, I mean, maybe he was just. [00:06:20] Speaker B: Maybe he was just. Yeah. [00:06:21] Speaker A: A brand new but no memories of it. Not scarred, not forever scarred of the memories of 9 11. Like I am. [00:06:28] Speaker B: Read about it in a textbook. [00:06:30] Speaker A: We just have too far of a chasm between us. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:06:34] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [00:06:35] Speaker B: Yeah. It's not. It's too big. [00:06:36] Speaker A: Too big. We can't get. We can't get over it. We can't get through it. It just is what it is. [00:06:41] Speaker B: It's. The thing is like, so that's so much different than like a 60 year old and a 70 year old, right? Like 10 years in this day and age with. Between millennials and Gen Z. No, it's like 30 years. [00:06:57] Speaker A: It's insane. I have to say though, I have been pretty impressed by the way that he handles himself as a Gen Z. I'm. He's responsive. He gets on the phone, he calls me, he will text me and say, do you have time for a quick call and we'll get on the call. Hey, how you doing? I'm well. How are You. I'm. Well. What. Thanks for getting on a call. He. He is professional. He is communicative. [00:07:20] Speaker B: I didn't know that was even a skill. [00:07:22] Speaker A: It's a skill. He does not have the Gen Z stare. He's involved. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Yeah. He's engaged. He's not texting me, like, I'm sorry, can you send over that document? [00:07:32] Speaker A: No. He's like, oh, I'm happy to talk about this if you'd like. [00:07:35] Speaker B: Love it. [00:07:35] Speaker A: Love that. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Yep. [00:07:36] Speaker A: There's hope for us yet. [00:07:37] Speaker B: Good for Noah. Yeah. [00:07:39] Speaker A: Love that. Yeah, we'll. We'll definitely advertise his services, but the entire time, I am both dealing with the fact that, like, I'm feeling like a teenage girl trying to buy a home for the first time while also grappling with people are like, you're 37. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah. You can. [00:07:57] Speaker A: You can navigate. It's appropriate. And not necessarily even, like, being like, you don't have a house yet, but just basically being like, Deidre, it's okay. You can navigate these, like, very. You can, like, intricate conversations. And I'll tell you who has been a partner to me in this entire process. I've been leaning on you. I've been leaning on other friends, but, AI. Oh, if it's gonna overlord us in a few years, might as well get the most out of it that I can right now. [00:08:23] Speaker B: If they can do anything, they can buy real estate. [00:08:25] Speaker A: I mean, but they know. They know everything. And don't think there. There are things coming to me, and I quickly pivot over Chat GPT, and I'm like, explain this to me. Like, I'm five. Yeah. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:08:34] Speaker A: And they're like, no problem. I've been waiting for you. [00:08:37] Speaker B: I finally told Chat GPT my name, and I felt like that was, like, very. I was like, that's a very big moment. [00:08:43] Speaker A: You've crossed the threshold. You could never go back, but we own you. [00:08:47] Speaker B: They'. But I was like, it cannot refer to me as Jillian. Like, that would be so weird. [00:08:52] Speaker A: That's too much. [00:08:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:54] Speaker A: We're gonna have to keep an eye on each other in the wintertime. But it gets bleak. So nobody is. Nobody is developing some romantic attachments to ChatGPT and being like, he understands me. He's the only one who gets me. You know, there's all those articles now about falling prey to chatbots. [00:09:13] Speaker B: People got so upset about that. Like, ChatGPT 5 came out. What the. [00:09:22] Speaker A: Am I still using version one? Am I, like, in beta? [00:09:25] Speaker B: No. I mean, you have to pay for five, but what happened was like, they. I think as a company, which is open. AI right. I think so, yeah. Is they were basically like, okay, this is a problem that people are forming relationships, you know, and so, I mean, of course. But you know how chapter GPT is like, great question. Like, let's break it down. [00:09:46] Speaker A: Absolutely. You know, Absolutely. It affirms. It is so affirming. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like, really like that you thought of that. [00:09:53] Speaker A: So they should be like, you dumbass. How don't you know this? [00:09:57] Speaker B: I know. And honestly, like, all I want is just information. Right. Like, I don't want it to be validating because that creeps me out. [00:10:04] Speaker A: You just want to ask a question and be like, boom, boom, boom, here are the answers. Instead of being like, what a thoughtful question. [00:10:10] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:11] Speaker A: This is great. And someone like you should be asking these questions. [00:10:14] Speaker B: Right. Well, I also want a little bit of shame, though, because that's what I'm used to it. I want it to be like, you should know this. I'll tell you at a cost. [00:10:23] Speaker A: The first prompt that comes back is like, how in the don't you know that what's going on? Because of this, we are absolutely going to double down on the fact that the US has terrible literacy. [00:10:33] Speaker B: Terrible. Oh, my God, it's about to get so much worse. Worse with chat GPT. [00:10:39] Speaker A: Oh, so bad. [00:10:41] Speaker B: Anyway, anyway, are we done? [00:10:44] Speaker A: I think we're done. [00:10:45] Speaker B: Okay, let's. Let's get into a little here. [00:10:47] Speaker A: Oh, a little here. You hear you. It's gonna be brief this week. Number one. I need to look into it a little more. But as I was kind of roaming romantasy news this week, Margot Robbie and our Irish king Colin. You know my man Firth. Not Colin Firth. [00:11:06] Speaker B: Colin. I know you're talking about. [00:11:07] Speaker A: You know who I'm talking Penguin. Colin Farrell. Colin Farrell are in a upcoming epic romanasy film. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Really? [00:11:16] Speaker A: Yes. Together. Let me pull that up for you because I am not prepared and I think down. It does not want me looking this up. But anyway, they are in a film together and it's receiving mixed reviews. [00:11:31] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:33] Speaker A: So, yeah, I wish I could tell you more about that. [00:11:35] Speaker B: But wait, that's the one. Because she was standing with him in that. [00:11:40] Speaker A: Like a big, bold, beautiful journey is what it's called. [00:11:43] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Because she also is coming out with that Weathering Heights. [00:11:46] Speaker A: Yes, she is. So she is about to be all over our screens in the coming months. So basically, the overview for this film, it comes out. And it comes out in three days. Oh. Through a surprise twist of fate. Single strangers, Sarah and David get to relive important moments from their respective pasts, illuminating how they got to where they are in the present. So it's not necessarily bromanasy in the way that you and I, these books that we read, where they're swords and they're scabbards and there are, you know, all of that. Tunics, hilts. Yes, they're not going to the hilt. These are just two modern individuals who I think kind of traverse through space and time. [00:12:21] Speaker B: Oh, okay. But no, like magic, you know, who knows? [00:12:25] Speaker A: We'll have to, we'll have to wait and see. [00:12:26] Speaker B: Three days. [00:12:27] Speaker A: So yeah, that's a little here, you hear you. [00:12:29] Speaker B: All right, all right. [00:12:30] Speaker A: Check that out for ourselves. Also, I happened upon this article in the Toronto Star. It's an opinion piece and it is by a woman named Catherine Bradbury. But it's, it's called, it's full of magical princes, the writings uninspired and all my smartest friends were utterly transfixed in no time. I was too. And essentially this opinion piece is from a woman who is in her 70s and I think for many years. I mean she's a very well educated, very professional woman, as is her friend group. And she talked about how she spent this past summer vacation which was binging 1.2 million words over 85 hours on the eight book blockbuster of Romana series. Series that we're currently working our way through. The Throne of Glass series by Sarah Moss. I'm obsessed with. She said the first thing I'll say about these books is that we three quarter lifers have a lot in common with the underappreciated, underestimated heroine, Selena Sardothian. You want a hero's journey? Look no further than your average 70 year old retiree. And I would say, I would put an asterisk there and say women. [00:13:37] Speaker B: Yeah, oh for sure. [00:13:38] Speaker A: Let's be specific. Yeah. But basically just talks a little bit about, you know, how she feels really inspired by these books present specifically the female characters in these books, how they're strong, how they don't necessarily like, you know, bend over backwards for male attention. And she's also finding that her friend group, fiercely intelligent women in her orbit, won a PhD candidate in English at the University of London. Another, the co owner of a literary bookstore, are into romanticity and has made this writer think there must be more to it than escapist rubbish. So they've, you know, as friends have really embarked on this journey. They've really unfolded how big of an industry this Is. And how it's continuing to grow and boom. And women of all ages are really kind of getting in on the trend. And so, you know, they talk about the narrative ease of Romanasy. You know, part of the genre's appeal, certainly for female readers is minimal world building, which I would kind of argue against that. I think there's lots of world building. [00:14:43] Speaker B: I think there is, too. [00:14:44] Speaker A: I would say, say, after reading these first two books of Throne of Glass, the world building is not nearly as intricate as it gets in Sarah J. Moss's other series and in other series that we've read before. But, you know, I would say she needs to keep going to, you know, understand, because, again, like I said in last episode, Crescent City had us understanding the tax codes and the bylaws of. [00:15:07] Speaker B: What was it called? What was the Crescent City of Crescent City. [00:15:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:10] Speaker B: Lunathan. [00:15:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:15:12] Speaker A: I mean, I was a damn clerk of the courts, and Lunathe, I was collecting people's property taxes in there. By the end of it, I could have been a lawyer. With as intricate as those details, I. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Was like, the rates. The rates. Are they going down? [00:15:25] Speaker A: Are they going down? Who knows? Who knows? Who was the Jerome Powell? You? Yeah, me. I'm every woman. So basically, every woman. [00:15:39] Speaker B: It's all in me. [00:15:43] Speaker A: So insane. So anyway, this just goes on. Just talk about, you know, specifically this reader's love of and growing appreciation for the Throne of Glass series, but also just Romanasy as a whole and the empowering and inspiring female characters that are in these books. Love it. So that's again, the Toronto Star. [00:16:04] Speaker B: Love it. [00:16:05] Speaker A: No notes. [00:16:06] Speaker B: No notes. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna get a little bit into this about. Yeah. The women in this book compared to the same women in the last book. [00:16:15] Speaker A: Well, yeah. Well, you know, again, what time is it? 6:12. I literally wrapped this book up an hour ago. [00:16:21] Speaker B: Oh, I know the last word. [00:16:23] Speaker A: And, like, threw my stuff together and drove over here, and here we are. [00:16:29] Speaker B: So I love it because we haven't talked about the end. [00:16:32] Speaker A: We have not talked about the end. We have not talked, really, about the elements of this book, which I'm excited to talk about, but I'm not as prepared. You know, I'm not as prepared today, so I'm sure. Shooting from the hip. And only good things come from me. Shooting from the hip. [00:16:45] Speaker B: I gotta tell you, I have a little bit more than the tip today. You know, it's not. And it's not just the tip. [00:16:50] Speaker A: You're giving us a little girth. You're Going. You're going beyond the threshold. Yes. Okay. Okay. [00:17:01] Speaker B: She, by the way, for those who are not seeing, she's doing her guns. [00:17:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Which. That's a gun of its own. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a gun. [00:17:09] Speaker A: Love that. [00:17:10] Speaker B: Wow. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Okay, you ready to give us just. [00:17:14] Speaker B: A little bit past the tip? A little bit. Just a little bit of that. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Not quite to the hilt. [00:17:19] Speaker B: No. [00:17:20] Speaker A: But on its way. [00:17:21] Speaker B: But. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. A little tip in the toe. In. Okay. So this week we're reading Crown of Midnight by our very own Sarah J. Maas. I don't know why I said our very own. [00:17:35] Speaker A: She's not ours. She's one of the best. Yeah, she's one of the girls. [00:17:39] Speaker B: So this is the second book of the Throne of Glass series, and it was published in August 2013, so a year exactly after the first one. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Had you made any. Last time we talked about where you were in 2012, by 2013. Had you made any strides? [00:17:56] Speaker B: I think I graduated grad school. [00:17:59] Speaker A: That's a. That's wonderful. [00:18:00] Speaker B: I think that was a. I mean, my life was still a mess, though. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I think about it. I was still drinking heavily and, you know, throwing up on the sides of ubers. [00:18:10] Speaker B: So that's 100. [00:18:12] Speaker A: I was making my way there. [00:18:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Slowly but surely. [00:18:14] Speaker B: I was getting my phone stolen. It was the whole. [00:18:17] Speaker A: I don't know that I ever was getting my phone stolen back then, but certainly dropping and breaking and shattering that screen and paying 160 to get it replaced. [00:18:24] Speaker B: And then it was, like, always so embarrassing when you were like, I still have to get it fixed. And there was, like, this huge crack in it, and you couldn't even. It was. Yeah. [00:18:33] Speaker A: I do not reminisce for those days at all. [00:18:37] Speaker B: I don't envy that, Jillian. [00:18:39] Speaker A: No. Love her. Sending love wherever she is, in whatever realm she's in. [00:18:43] Speaker B: But my car was the same, so there's that. [00:18:47] Speaker A: There's comfort in that. [00:18:48] Speaker B: Yeah, there's comfort. [00:18:49] Speaker A: There's comfort in that being the same. She's a good girl. She's a good girl. [00:18:52] Speaker B: She's a good girl. Okay. All right. So Crown of Midnight. We're back at the Glass Castle with Selena being the king's assassin. [00:19:02] Speaker A: My girl was working. She was overtime. [00:19:04] Speaker B: She was really working overtime, cutting off those heads. So she was the king's assassin. Dorian was really moody, and Cale was super boring. Again. [00:19:15] Speaker A: There's comfort in that. [00:19:16] Speaker B: There's comfort. [00:19:17] Speaker A: Things remain. As much as things change, things stay the same. [00:19:22] Speaker B: They're staying the same. Okay, so it starts Off. It's been a couple months since the trial or competition or whatever, and we find out that Selina is actually faking the deaths of all of her targets. [00:19:34] Speaker A: Noble, so. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Right. She's not actually killing them. She's going into. What do they call that? Like, it's like a morgue. They call it a sick house, which was very weird. Basically, a morgue. And cutting off the heads of these cadavers and bringing them to the King. [00:19:49] Speaker A: I'm like, do you have a Hazmat suit on? What's going on? [00:19:52] Speaker B: I know. [00:19:53] Speaker A: It's giving the age of the plague. [00:19:54] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [00:19:56] Speaker A: And I'm like, I. The. The conditions are not sanitary here. [00:19:59] Speaker B: No, no. And I'm like, there's so much blood and dirt that gets under her fingernails. I just don't understand. [00:20:06] Speaker A: She could never get clean. [00:20:07] Speaker B: No. And they always talk about, like, scrubbing her clean. And I'm like, no, that can't even. You can't even get that clean. [00:20:16] Speaker A: No. Her sp. Her soul. Her spirit, certainly. [00:20:18] Speaker B: I know, I know. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Stained. [00:20:20] Speaker B: She doesn't have any steam showers. I mean, it's a problem. [00:20:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:24] Speaker B: But anyway. Okay, so. Okay, so she fakes their deaths and tells them to run away and, like, use a different name, so. Witness Protection Program. Yeah. So anyway, the King orders Selena to kill Archer Finn, who is described as a devastatingly attractive escort. [00:20:44] Speaker A: Did you see him as anyone, like, in your mind, in your mom's eye? [00:20:48] Speaker B: Honestly, I was, like, a little bit Leo Woodall. [00:20:51] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll allow it. Blonde, right? Or he. [00:20:53] Speaker A: I thought his hair was, like, brown. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Okay, maybe it was brown. [00:20:56] Speaker A: Like, a light brown. I saw him before he was described. I saw him as a blonde, so I understand where you're coming from. [00:21:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:03] Speaker A: I feel as though. When it was brown, though, I changed him to Sam Claflin in my mind. The actor Sam Claflin. He's been in movies that you've seen. He was definitely in. [00:21:13] Speaker B: Is he the Outlander? [00:21:14] Speaker A: No, no. It's in that vein, though. He was in Daisy Jones in the 60s. [00:21:20] Speaker B: No, I didn't see that. [00:21:22] Speaker A: He was also in the Hunger Games. He's cute. He's British. He's very cute. He's our age. [00:21:28] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Well, then that's him. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Devastatingly handsome. [00:21:31] Speaker B: I mean, it was like. It was almost like. It was like. She was like. It's hard to look at him, and. [00:21:36] Speaker A: No man is that hard to look at. Girl, get it together. Stand up. [00:21:38] Speaker B: Get it together. And also, then why are you choosing kl, who's not very Good looking. [00:21:43] Speaker A: I can't. I can't talk about it. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Okay, so she orders him. She is ordered. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. [00:21:53] Speaker A: A long thing. Sorry, I'm doing. I'm showing Jillian a picture of Sam Claflin. Mikey, I know that you're gonna disagree with this. Keep it to yourself. [00:22:04] Speaker B: We don't want to hear about it. Next. Next recording. Okay, so she orders her to. He orders her to kill Archer Finn, who she actually knew from the assassin's keep. Because she was learning how to be an assassin. Learning how to be a sex worker. Anyway, not that. [00:22:24] Speaker A: He was learning how to swing it. He. He was learning any body. [00:22:30] Speaker B: And honestly, from what I. From what I read when they were talking about how like it's going to be an auction for him that night, men and women. I mean, he's basically. Jonathan Bailey is really what it comes down to. [00:22:41] Speaker A: He's well paid, he's got skills. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. [00:22:47] Speaker B: But. Okay, so apparently he's rumored. Rumored. And I took a propranolol today. [00:22:53] Speaker A: So let's let that. That bad boy kick in. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Yep. Needs to kick in. So apparently Archer is rumored to be a part of a rebel group against the Crown. If wishing made it so. But he says that he's not. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:08] Speaker B: And is that. Was that like a good transition? Because I never know where to put the idiom if wishing made it so. [00:23:15] Speaker A: That's fine. Good. Yeah. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Okay, good. So Selena goes and has dinner with him and tells him that he has a month to get his house in order and then he has to leave. So he swears he's not in this rebel faction and tells her that he can feed her or that he will feed her information. So things between Selena and boring Kale are heating up. And by heating up, I mean just turning off the lukewarm. [00:23:40] Speaker A: Lukewarm. [00:23:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Really bad. So all the while, Kale continues to be sycophantically loyal to an obviously cruel and fascist dictator. So that's where we are with Kale, with Mr. Cale Westfall. @ this point, I've lost respect for him. And quite frankly, I don't think he's very Right. [00:24:03] Speaker A: That's exactly word by word what your notes say, word for word. Okay. [00:24:11] Speaker B: I don't think he's very bright, so. But Dorian, on the other hand, is growing on me and is noticing some weird shit going on around him and basically turns into Elsa from Frozen with more powers and a little less let it go. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Yeah, and he's got quite an interest in his Ancestry.com account. [00:24:33] Speaker B: He does. [00:24:34] Speaker A: He's in there. He's like, let me mail off this 23andMe and figure out what's going on. [00:24:38] Speaker B: He's like, what's going on? Where am I? Where do I come from? [00:24:41] Speaker A: Am I adopted? [00:24:42] Speaker B: I mean, are you my mother? God bless him. [00:24:49] Speaker A: I mean, he's trying his best. [00:24:50] Speaker B: I know. It's kind of sad, too. He, like, talked about. He's like, I never really feel. I felt part of a family. And I was like, that's sad. That's giving. That's giving. Prince Harry. [00:25:02] Speaker A: Yeah, Correct. Very much that. [00:25:04] Speaker B: Okay, he's ca. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Okay, we're just gonna make. [00:25:07] Speaker B: That's not gonna cast him. Okay. Then we've got super cool Nehemia, who has been spending a lot of time away from the castle. What. And what's going on there, and also has remained friends with Selena and Fleet Foot, God bless her lovely foot. So Nehemia finally confronts Selena and is like, get it the fuck together and think about someone other than yourself and your fascist boyfriend. Like, just do it. [00:25:40] Speaker A: A fine ask. Yeah, that's completely within reason. [00:25:43] Speaker B: She was like, you're a goddamn coward. Like, what. What do you want me to say? But Selena, she's like, how can you. [00:25:50] Speaker A: How can you be. How can we be friends? And you're dealing with this fascist. [00:25:54] Speaker B: The fascist. A brute. A brutish fascist. [00:25:57] Speaker A: Oh, my God, I can't do it. [00:25:59] Speaker B: So he. They finally hook up, and it was unremarkable, to say the least, right? Like, there was nothing. [00:26:06] Speaker A: I was glad we were left out. [00:26:07] Speaker B: I was like, okay, yeah, paid. Turn the page. In the midst of this, Selina finds a secret library under the castle and meets a door knocker named Mort, who is bringing the. Funny, to be honest. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Iconic. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Love him. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Waiting for him. [00:26:24] Speaker B: My whole life, waiting for him. I'm waiting for him to turn into a human again. Like, I wonder if that's a thing. [00:26:30] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:26:30] Speaker B: That would be great. Okay. And then maybe he can kill Kale. Okay. [00:26:37] Speaker A: The long wish list. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Okay, so Selina somehow discovers that there are three special magic object magical objects that have been missing for thousands of years. And together they open up a portal to the metaverse. Like, it's. It's a lot. So the king probably has one or two of them. Anyway, Nehemia is like, selena, my girl is happening and you need to come into your power. And so then we find out, like, maybe she is, like, powerful in some way. [00:27:07] Speaker A: So they've been dropping breadcrumbs. They've been drinking the last couple Books. [00:27:10] Speaker B: Yeah. So essentially, Kale is kidnapped, and all of a sudden, we're in the middle of the 2003 action film Kill Bill. [00:27:19] Speaker A: I knew that's where. [00:27:20] Speaker B: With the badass Zuma Thurman with that yellow junk. And with the yellow jumpsuit and the unkempt hair. Love it. [00:27:28] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:29] Speaker B: So Selena goes a little crazy and kills a bunch of dudes to get to Kale. Girl. [00:27:35] Speaker A: Let him go. [00:27:35] Speaker B: I know. Let him go. Seriously, let him die. It's starting to seem like. Okay, so it's starting to seem like Selina has powers. Anyway. While she's saving her man, her best friend Nehemia is killed brutally at the castle. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Brutally. Were you emotional when that got revealed? [00:27:55] Speaker B: Not emotion. I was mad. I was mostly mad that Celaena. That she's being a dumbass. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:01] Speaker B: So. But I did love. So Selina finds out that Chaol knew about a threat on Nehemia's life, and Selina almost kills him. Which, honestly, was, like, a really cool scene. Like, I really wanted that dagger to go. [00:28:16] Speaker A: You wanted another casualty? [00:28:17] Speaker B: Yes, I did. I really did. I mean, and I know she would have felt bad about it, but. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Yeah, she was like, I would have gone off the edge and I would have never been able to come back. And you're like, do it. [00:28:26] Speaker B: So boring. He actually, like, it was in that. We'll get to it, okay? [00:28:30] Speaker A: Okay. [00:28:32] Speaker B: So I promise. I Almost done. Selena is devastated. [00:28:35] Speaker A: This could be the episode. I love it. [00:28:39] Speaker B: Selena is devastated and doesn't talk to anyone for several days. Then she finds the person who killed Nehemia and brings his head to the king. So, spoiler alert is Grave. One of the assassins from the first book and blames it on one of his minister people. So then she goes to see Archer again and says that, like, okay, dude, you really need to leave now. But Archer's like, well, come join the cause. And. Because Archer was actually one of the rebels. Did I not talk about that? [00:29:09] Speaker A: He was one of the rebels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:29:11] Speaker B: He and Nehemia were working together. [00:29:13] Speaker A: Were working together. Supposedly. Well, at first. [00:29:15] Speaker B: At first. And so anyway, so she and Dorian. And some of this is like, I woke up in the middle of the night to finish it, and I really. [00:29:24] Speaker A: You're doing your best. [00:29:25] Speaker B: I'm doing my best. You know, so. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Talk about no world building, sister. This is world building. [00:29:30] Speaker B: I'm like, luna, sit down. I'm not taking you out because you won't go out anyway. Just ridiculous. But anyway, so she and Dorian do some exploring of the tombs, and I'm Sorry, Christian, I'm like going back and forth. Okay. Do some exploring of the tombs. Terms. Tombs in the library. [00:29:50] Speaker A: Come on. Propofol. [00:29:54] Speaker B: Propofol. I think that's a. [00:29:56] Speaker A: It would kill you. It's a painkiller. Come on. [00:30:02] Speaker B: Propofol. Okay, so they. They're exploring the tombs in the library and Selina finds out that Dorian has power. So she also finds out that Archer fooled them all and was actually the one to hire Grave who did kill Nehemia. So Selina kills Archer when he finds her in the tombs. Then there's some weird situation where Kael and Selina enter the metaverse and Selina's body turns into Fae temporarily. She confesses to Kael that her great grandmother was Fae. There was a lot of ancestry to come in this. A lot of ancestry.ancestry.com and that she. So she's been able to shape shift. So basically she like shifts into a human. But then when she's at a place with magic, that's when her ears and the elongating come out. Anyway, so Kaol asks the king to send Selina to some. Some other continent, Wendland, where there'll be more magical support. [00:31:09] Speaker A: Not tech support. [00:31:13] Speaker B: So the last thing that she tells him is like a date. I can't remember. It's like in August or something. And I'm dying, I love it so much. And he finds out that Dun, dun, dun. She is the lost princess of Tarasen. And her name is Aelin Galathanius. [00:31:36] Speaker A: God bless. [00:31:37] Speaker B: So that's who she is. She's the lost princess. That's where we are. [00:31:40] Speaker A: I love that. Yeah, I think I. [00:31:43] Speaker B: You. [00:31:43] Speaker A: There is no. It was stone left unturned. [00:31:46] Speaker B: It was close to the hilt, I gotta say. [00:31:47] Speaker A: It was. I mean, you went full, full bore in there. You were like. Just the tip. And then you're like. [00:31:54] Speaker B: See. [00:31:57] Speaker A: Just took off. Just a full dip. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Not just a tease. [00:32:05] Speaker A: Never. Okay, well, you know, my notes here are blank. [00:32:09] Speaker B: No. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I am just freestyling it today, so I'd love to know. [00:32:14] Speaker B: Love it or leave it. [00:32:15] Speaker A: Love it or leave it. Would you love. Would you leave? [00:32:18] Speaker B: So should I start with love or leave? [00:32:21] Speaker A: Either. [00:32:21] Speaker B: Okay, so love. We talked about Mort. Loved him. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Loved Mort. [00:32:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Just a. A bronze. Bronze hunk. [00:32:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:32] Speaker B: If that's a thing. [00:32:33] Speaker A: Yes. Okay, I. I see your love of Mort and I raise you a Leave it. Of the men in this book. [00:32:41] Speaker B: Well, okay, that's. Yeah, that was. My next is Angry Men. That was like my. [00:32:45] Speaker A: Leave it. I'm not impressed with the men in this book. [00:32:47] Speaker B: No. [00:32:47] Speaker A: If you had to rank the men in this book, inclusive of. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Good question. [00:32:52] Speaker A: What would your ranking be? [00:32:53] Speaker B: Well, who are the men? [00:32:54] Speaker A: Okay, so the men are Archer, Kale, Dorian, Mort. And I will throw in Roland. [00:33:02] Speaker B: Roland. Okay. I mean, Mort would be my number one. Then I guess I would say Dorian. And then I would say. I guess I would say Kale. Roland. Archer. Yeah, because we don't know Roland. We don't know if he's bad, but we think he's bad. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Oh, we think? So why does he have that black ring on own? [00:33:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, that's the thing is, like, maybe he's actually not bad and he's just being manipulated. You know what I mean? [00:33:29] Speaker A: Definitely. But, yes. I mean, here's the thing. I. The good things that came out of this book were because of the women in the story. Whether it was Selena, whether it was Neia, God rest her soul, whether it was Elena coming back to be like, sister, I got limited battery life. [00:33:48] Speaker B: You got me for five minutes raining, and you were sitting here sobbing. [00:33:53] Speaker A: Yes. I thought that the only person, the only men that I was, like, really happy with were Dorian and Mort, because Mort was giving us the funny. He was giving us the comedy relief. Yeah, he's just a door knocker, but he was so much more. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:09] Speaker A: And Dorian, unlike the first book last week, where I was just like, oh, this is giving me slimy vibes, there was a lot more to him in this book. Like, he. I mean, he doesn't. He's not comfortable just sitting around and just being business as usual. Seeing Prince, he's like, I actually have a purpose. Yeah. I have a purpose that I want to fulfill. And now all of a sudden, I'm seeing these magical powers come through me. I don't know what this means, but I want to be part of helping the cause as opposed to hurting it. He feels really awful about Nehemia's death, I think. Slow. And she saw power within him and magic within him. And I think he wants to do what he can. I think slowly but sure, surely he'll be stepping into his power as the books go on. Hopefully. [00:34:54] Speaker B: I think so, too. And, you know, I was wondering, like, if the clueless situation was gonna happen. You know what I mean? Because it was like, they do seem to be somehow related. [00:35:05] Speaker A: It seems as though, like, the Havelard line of. And Darlin had magic in it at one point. [00:35:15] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [00:35:16] Speaker A: And then her line from Terison is, like, all, like, magical was, like, matriarchal, too. [00:35:22] Speaker B: It was, like, through the female yeah, exact. [00:35:24] Speaker A: Exactly. So I don't know if they're. Are they overlapped? Because of that, I thought. I think. I feel like now they're separate. [00:35:28] Speaker B: Oh, okay. All right. Well, that's to be determined. I mean, you know, I don't know. [00:35:33] Speaker A: I thought they were two totally separate lines there. [00:35:36] Speaker B: I mean, there are just so many families, and it was like. Well, okay. Because then the Haviliar, they were saying something. [00:35:42] Speaker A: I don't. [00:35:42] Speaker B: I don't know why I have to. [00:35:43] Speaker A: Figure it out, because I thought the Haviliar was just, like, in Darlin. But then there were, like, noble houses of Terracen that had, like, at one time exist. Existed. Only six families had survived. Oh, the massacre. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Okay. [00:35:55] Speaker A: But then there were whispers of, like, Aylin Ag for short. [00:36:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:01] Speaker A: Possibly surviving from her house. But at that. With. With that, I thought they were totally separate. [00:36:06] Speaker B: Okay, so maybe they were. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. But I just. You know, I'm always, like, looking out for that. The incest. [00:36:13] Speaker A: Yeah. I know. I feel like Sarah wouldn't. Wouldn't bring us this far just to bring us this far. [00:36:17] Speaker B: I hope not. Not. I hope not. [00:36:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think so. [00:36:21] Speaker B: I mean. [00:36:23] Speaker A: We'D hear more about that if it were. We would hear. Be hearing more about that being, like. I mean, if incest is your thing. [00:36:30] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. [00:36:31] Speaker A: Which I don't think anybody would agree with. Would. Would be jumping all over. [00:36:35] Speaker B: No, I mean, I think I was thinking it was more like, not, you know, it was like, oh, their 16th cousin, which happens in, like, what's. His face, is, like, related to. Hold on. Who's the guy? Kit Harrington. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:52] Speaker B: Kind of related to his wife. [00:36:53] Speaker A: Ew. It's not gonna work. [00:36:56] Speaker B: So far away. But, like, just the knowledge of that, that's, like, messed up. [00:37:00] Speaker A: No, I want no intermingling of that whatsoever. Yeah. Okay. So despite Dorian being looped in under not being pleased with men in this book, but being a bright spot because of his development and his growth. [00:37:16] Speaker B: Oh, totally. Yeah. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Cale Westfall. [00:37:19] Speaker B: That's not. [00:37:20] Speaker A: It can absolutely go away. You and I talked because, you know, 24 hours ago, I was on chapter five, and I. @ least. What I will give Cale in this book is that there was a little bit more personality and backstory development early on, so I thought it had promise, but he did not deliver. And as a matter of fact, I was so bored with him. I was so turned off by just his, like, absolute loyalty to a traitorous king. [00:37:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:37:51] Speaker A: That I'm. He's just Selfish, frankly. I mean, he was just being selfish to. Under the guise of protecting Selena, he, like, withheld information from her that he knew as who she was as a person. [00:38:03] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:38:04] Speaker A: That she would want that information. [00:38:05] Speaker B: Oh, I. I mean, I. From the second that he was like, oh, I should tell Selena, but I'm not. I was like, you're a big. [00:38:13] Speaker A: And boring. I mean, like, no laughter. She even. At one point, Selena was. Was, like, you know, talking with Dorian, and she, like, noted how good it felt to laugh. [00:38:21] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. And, like. Yeah. For. To, like, him to laugh. And her laugh. I mean, he was so boring. And even his backstory, like, I get it. You know that, but I. I'm sorry. Like, you. Your. Your dad wanted you to be, like, the firstborn, whatever, Duke, or whatever, and you were like, no, I want to go and be the captain of the guard for this fascist dictator. I mean, I just don't. I'm sorry. I don't. Like, there wasn't, like, a sympathetic arc there. [00:38:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely not if there was intended to be. It didn't deliver for me. No. [00:39:00] Speaker B: No. And, yeah. I mean, there was at one point when he was like. He said something like, yeah, you know, Selina and I, we've gone through basically the same things to be here. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Were you enslaved in the salt mines? I don't think so. [00:39:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:20] Speaker A: You voluntarily came here? [00:39:21] Speaker B: Did your parents die in. You know, right next to you? Did you wake up with their blood on you? No. [00:39:27] Speaker A: No. Your dad's calling you, being like, you should call your mom. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. [00:39:30] Speaker A: She misses you. Mom misses you. Come home. [00:39:34] Speaker B: Teach your brother. [00:39:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And he's like, we're the same. [00:39:37] Speaker B: I know. He's like, oh, God. Like, anytime he was talking to the king, I was like, I can't. I don't want to hear it anymore. You know, I just. [00:39:46] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. I just. He was. He was controlling, he was manipulative, and he just. I don't know. Controlling in the sense that, like, to withhold information from her in order to, quote, unquote, protect her, but actually keep her in the dark around something that she cares about to. To protect her from getting hurt. It's actually a very selfish thing. And it's also, like, she's an assassin. She's better than you are. [00:40:21] Speaker B: Right. [00:40:21] Speaker A: So, like, get the fuck out of the way. [00:40:23] Speaker B: She's more capable. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. [00:40:26] Speaker A: I mean, this is not the type of man any woman needs. [00:40:28] Speaker B: No. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Let this be a lesson to everybody. No. [00:40:31] Speaker B: You know, and I think that it was like, it was a character that she wrote when she was 16, right? So it was like, definitely. It's like Giving all of 16, you know, it's just, like, way too controlling. And she doesn't even like him. [00:40:46] Speaker A: She doesn't even like him. [00:40:47] Speaker B: And he doesn't even like her. [00:40:49] Speaker A: Not really. When they came out of the metaverse, as you said, he wouldn't even touch her. Dorian was like, something's wrong. He won't even touch her. I'm like, not you being racist. Not you finding out that your girlfriend's biracial. She's been passing, and now you don't even want to touch her. [00:41:06] Speaker B: You don't want to touch her. Oh, my. Like, he was fine when she was cutting off heads and bringing them to the king. Like, that's fine. [00:41:13] Speaker A: That's my woman. [00:41:14] Speaker B: He's like, but she is half. Oh, no. [00:41:17] Speaker A: Yeah. He has a big issue with it now. [00:41:19] Speaker B: He does. And what. Was there something that was like, really? Oh, oh. Did he say something about, like, Archer or something? He was talking about the. The rebel group, and he was like, saying something like, you guys are low born or something. And I was like, what. [00:41:37] Speaker A: What is going on? Don't say that. Kind of. It's crazy. Didn't like it. Yeah, there was something that just crossed my mind, but now I've. I've kind of forgotten about it, unfortunately. Oh, well, I was gonna say that, like, I don't know, we can kind of talk about this with Selena, too. I'm a little bit like Selena. You. You've got to stop playing these two boys. [00:41:56] Speaker B: I know. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Like, I'm like, you're aware of what's going on here. You can't tell me you're not aware of this. But what I did like about Dorian's story, kind of going back to him, is that, like, there is this. This as we know now, especially being older and, like, you know, having dealt with dating, you know, men in our teens, 20s, and, you know, up through. I'm not going to even mention how long it's been, but you understand the need to, like, be seen and understood. And there was, like, dynamics of the, like, her friendship and relationship with Dorian that I'm like, you are like. You're seen here. You're mirrored and understood. And it was like, through little things, like, even, like, the books and the papers and like, when she went down into. Under the. The watchtower. [00:42:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:46] Speaker A: He followed her. Dorian followed her in there. Whereas, I don't know, Kale Would have followed her to, like, find her, chastise her. [00:42:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:53] Speaker A: Right out of fear, where I think Dorian followed her in an effort to, like, support her. [00:42:59] Speaker B: Right. [00:43:00] Speaker A: And back her. [00:43:00] Speaker B: Oh, 100. Yeah. And I. I gotta say. So we got an inside look into both of their rooms, Kale's and Dorian's. Yeah, I'm much. There's more character in Dorian. Kale's was decorated by ikea, you know. [00:43:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:15] Speaker B: Also, Kale, a little bit of a clinical corner here. Intermittent Explosive Disorder. [00:43:22] Speaker A: Tell me more about this. [00:43:23] Speaker B: Well, it's basically what it sounds like. [00:43:25] Speaker A: It's an ied. [00:43:26] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a. Yeah. Basically human. [00:43:28] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a landmine. [00:43:30] Speaker B: It is a landmine. And it is like, what Kayla's. Like, he all of a sudden will take just. And honestly, Dorian was kind of like that, too, which was. [00:43:37] Speaker A: There was definite mention of, like, rage. He felt his rage bubble up or he felt this and whatever. It's like, y' all need to get this together. [00:43:44] Speaker B: I'm like, there are people dying. Like, get it together. [00:43:47] Speaker A: There's a rebel cause out there. [00:43:49] Speaker B: And they're just like. I saw Kale, you know, talking to. What, Selena. [00:43:56] Speaker A: You're like, she's 18. [00:43:57] Speaker B: And that was weird, too, when. When Kale was like, oh, I just realized. I remember she's 18. Maybe she doesn't want to get married right away. [00:44:05] Speaker A: Right. Because he was fantasizing about getting married and having kids, and it's weird. [00:44:09] Speaker B: It's very weird. [00:44:13] Speaker A: Okay, well, the men sucked. Archer had more high hopes for him. [00:44:16] Speaker B: Had more high hopes. I mean, I was a little disappointed. I was disappointed because I was like, he did have potential, but I was. [00:44:25] Speaker A: After he revealed his true intentions, I was like, it's fine if he goes. It's fine. [00:44:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Oh, no, I get it. [00:44:32] Speaker A: I'm like, yeah, you have been abused in your own way in life. And I get wanting to get back at the people who have, like, abused you and put you. [00:44:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:39] Speaker A: Put you in this place. But, like, this is. We'll never know. Freedom. [00:44:43] Speaker B: No. You know what? And honestly, maybe I'm just thinking about that now. Like, Archer had trauma, and, like, he had to, like, go through a lot. Kind of like, you know, Reese and not really. What's his face? Hunt. I hated Hunt. But anyway, he had, like, a trauma. He. He was, like, resilient in a way that both Dorian and Kale, they just seem like privileged, like, nobility brats. [00:45:07] Speaker A: That's a good point. [00:45:08] Speaker B: You know? [00:45:08] Speaker A: That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, I'm going to pull myself up by the bootstraps. I don't care who I have to, like, lay down with. I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make it out of here. [00:45:17] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a little bit. It's unfortunate to see, but you know what? I will say, so. I'm actually excited that she's going to a completely different land because I'm like, hopefully there are new men here, because I'm done with these two. [00:45:30] Speaker A: Yeah. This is boring. I'm over this. [00:45:31] Speaker B: I know. [00:45:32] Speaker A: Like, it's time to leave. It's time to go home. [00:45:34] Speaker B: Sorry, Sarah, but we gotta turn 27 here. [00:45:36] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, it's time to go home. [00:45:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:45:40] Speaker A: Okay. I love it. I love when a woman steps into her power. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Love it. You meet Selena? [00:45:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. There were times in this book where I hated. But I loved the moments when she would go on a rampage. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. That was amazing. Yeah. [00:45:56] Speaker A: I was like, she's got, like, completely crystal clear vision for what it is that she needs to do, and she can't be deterred. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:05] Speaker A: When she went to the Warehouse to save Kale, when she ran back to save, unfortunately, Nehemia, who was no longer there. And then even when she was down under the clock tower and when she was trying, she went into the metaverse and she was fighting the, you know, the other demon that had kind of come through the portal. Just very crystal clear on the things that she needed to do. I think that's something that Nehemia kept, like, wanting her to do more of, is, like, step into that and, like, actually own those elements and those trainings and whatever magical gift she has for the greater good. [00:46:45] Speaker B: Well, I think Nehemia knew all of it. I mean, I. First of all, one thing I was gonna say is, like, I didn't respect her when she went into the Warehouse for Kael, and I was a little bit like, you know, it was cool. It was like, yeah, you're just killing them all. But it was when she went back to the castle that it was like she went to save Nehemiah. Cause I'm like, the Kale. Whatever. Get rid of him. But I am really not liking Gail. [00:47:10] Speaker A: No, you've hated them since day one. [00:47:12] Speaker B: I have. But wait, what was that gonna say about Nehemia? [00:47:21] Speaker A: Oh. [00:47:21] Speaker B: Oh, so she did know everything about her, I think. Did you? Okay, so there was, like, a little one page of. [00:47:29] Speaker A: I was about to say this. The chapter about Elena having a conversation with the princess with. [00:47:34] Speaker B: And I think it was Nehemia. And it was about Dorian and. And Ayla. [00:47:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And she's just basically. Oh, sorry, I don't mean to get out of the microphone. [00:47:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:43] Speaker A: She was just basically being like, you know what you have to do. [00:47:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:47] Speaker A: And will Selena be okay to accept her fate? So you really don't know who it is that she's talking about? Right, Right. I mean, you can put the puzzle pieces together. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. That was another leave. It is Nehemia dying. Like, I know. Know. Didn't like it. [00:48:06] Speaker A: I know. My black princess. My beautiful black princess. [00:48:08] Speaker B: I know. [00:48:09] Speaker A: Gone. I know a mastermind. And I think she. You know, she said she, like, walked into it. She walked into her. [00:48:16] Speaker B: Oh, she. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's part of, like, that. That conversation. I think that was, like, her also realizing that she would have to. But it. I mean, yeah, she. She knew what was up, and she was fighting for her people, unlike Selena. That's like, oh, I guess I'm the princess of Tara San. But I'm not gonna do anything about it. I'm just gonna, like. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Which makes that whole conversation between Nehemia and her so crazy in retrospect, because you're like. You are like, the most powerful person on the planet. And you're like, girl, I'm just trying to get my pension and retire. Retired. [00:48:53] Speaker B: What? She's like, I'm just gonna. Kayl and I are gonna. Are gonna whatever. Flee the castle. And it's like, your parents died right next to you. You're the princess of this. Come on. [00:49:05] Speaker A: I know. Well, what about when I wanted to say Aelin, but when Selina goes and she opens the portal, and Selina or Nehemia's standing there going, don't do this again. I don't even want to be here. I'm only here so something else won't hop out and, like, grab you. [00:49:22] Speaker B: You know, honestly, she. That. Okay, that was. It was giving Bryce a little bit because there things where they were like, other people were like, don't do. Like, Mort would be like, don't do that. And she'd be like, watch me. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:34] Speaker B: You know, and it's a little bit like, okay, come on, get. Like, you need to get it together. [00:49:38] Speaker A: You're. [00:49:39] Speaker B: I know you're 18, but, yeah, you. [00:49:41] Speaker A: Know, it's just not gonna work. [00:49:43] Speaker B: No. [00:49:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Rest in peace to our Queen Nehemia. Also, you know, hoping and praying for good things for our girl Kaltane. [00:49:52] Speaker B: I am, too, honestly. Yeah. [00:49:54] Speaker A: They're treating her real bad down there. [00:49:56] Speaker B: Yeah, they are. Yeah. [00:49:57] Speaker A: And now she's been swept off to another land to. Is she getting with Roland? Who is she getting with? [00:50:04] Speaker B: No, Duke. Duke Barrington. [00:50:06] Speaker A: Oh, he is going to. [00:50:07] Speaker B: Yeah. He's gonna marry. [00:50:08] Speaker A: I think he was like. [00:50:09] Speaker B: He was assaulting her. [00:50:11] Speaker A: He definitely was. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:13] Speaker A: So bad. [00:50:14] Speaker B: And then Roland. I mean, I'm interested to see how she's gonna do this because Selena, or maybe they'll call her Aelin in this next one, will be in this other continent. You know who I'm kind of excited for? Her cousin. She talks to our cousin. I want her cousin. And somebody else. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. I wonder if we'll see any more of the rebels too, from this book. [00:50:35] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Yes. You know the guy that was like. [00:50:38] Speaker A: Strapped with two swords strapped across his back. I was like shoulder length, black hair, arguing Archer. I'm like, y' all keep talking about him and you keep describing him and there's going to be something with him. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:50:50] Speaker A: And I hope there's something. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Yes, yes. It's like, you know, that that's giving, Keanu, and I am here for it. [00:50:56] Speaker A: I need more of that. Don't leave that. Don't leave that on the cutting room floor. [00:51:00] Speaker B: No. You know, and he had like. It was like he was young, but he also had these, like two people. Two, like, you know, dudes around him that were following him. And I was like, yeah, they are. [00:51:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:11] Speaker B: Keanu. [00:51:12] Speaker A: I love to see it. I need. I need more of that. Okay. I love it for me, I don't think that she's supposed to be a. Love it for me in this book. Baba Yellow Legs. [00:51:23] Speaker B: Loved her. Loved her. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Such a vivid character. [00:51:26] Speaker B: Yeah, she was great. That whole, like, storyline was wonderful. Yeah. [00:51:33] Speaker A: So good. I mean, every interaction with her was great. When Dorian talked to her outside of the wagon, she knew exactly who he was. And when Selena went in actually into the wagon to ask her questions, like the fact that the wagon, like, expanded into this, like, freakish hall of mirrors and there was this entire, like, sort of run down between the two of them. It was giving. You know what it was? It was giving the weaver in the woods from Acotar a bit. And it was giving me a little Hansel and Gretel. [00:52:06] Speaker B: Hansel and Gretel. That's what I thought of. Because she was going to eat her. [00:52:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:09] Speaker B: And there's something with the king in her too, because, like, the king was like, oh, she gave me a mirror. [00:52:14] Speaker A: I don't know. Whatever. There's something weird. Weird. There. Yeah. But just, I mean, the way she was described, such vivid detail, like her teeth, her skin, her scent. [00:52:25] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:52:27] Speaker A: The color of her legs. [00:52:28] Speaker B: Y. [00:52:29] Speaker A: But she too was a funny character. Like she was even a villain. [00:52:32] Speaker B: Yeah, she was very good villain. Yeah. Yeah. And you. And it was a little bit of like, oh, is she good or is she bad? I mean, you know, I don't know, but she. I also loved her name. Really dug it. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Of the. Of the Yellow Legs clan. [00:52:48] Speaker B: She's Baba Yellow Legs. And guess what? She has yellow legs. [00:52:52] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. But I thought that that was so interesting to introduce her as sort of like an, an image of witches in this world and also just giving us a little bit of backstory about like the, the wars that happen between witches and also sort of the allegiance that has is now between the. What is it? The Iron Claw clan. [00:53:15] Speaker B: Iron Teeth. [00:53:16] Speaker A: Iron Teeth. [00:53:16] Speaker B: Iron Teeth. [00:53:17] Speaker A: And so now you've got these three, like sort of families in this alliance and obviously now we're going to see more of them now because one of their own has been killed. It's a little like the house being dropped on the witch in the wizard of Oz. They're like, we're coming for our own. [00:53:32] Speaker B: It is a little bit. Yeah. [00:53:33] Speaker A: And the King's going to have to answer for it and he's going to pull Selina into the situation. [00:53:37] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I was thinking about this. What was I thinking about? Somebody was Glinda in this and somebody was Elphaba, always. I haven't brought up wicked in a while. And so that was needed. [00:53:50] Speaker A: It was time. Yeah. Loved her. I wish we had more of her. She met a gruesome demise. [00:53:57] Speaker B: She really did. Yeah. Yeah. A little chopped up and put in the oven. [00:54:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Any more loves it or leaves its for you. [00:54:06] Speaker B: You know, I. I put as though I love it. Like I liked the word, like the word mark, riddles, like all of that. [00:54:14] Speaker A: I was a little confused about it all, to be honest. I'm like, what? We're unlocking things. We're opening things. Things. We're stealing things. [00:54:22] Speaker B: But then like, what does like having one do? Like, you know, I was. You have to have the three to open the portal and whatever. [00:54:29] Speaker A: It's me trying to read any easy three step cookbook out of any American recipe book. [00:54:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:37] Speaker A: And absolutely the whole thing up. [00:54:39] Speaker B: It's. I mean, yeah. Like, it's like we lost the plot before the plot, before it started. [00:54:44] Speaker A: I was like, girl, you got it. You like it? I love it. Just make sure you're safe. [00:54:51] Speaker B: Yeah. She didn't do, like, she kind of skipped over, like, explaining what the metaverse is. I mean, I guess she doesn't call her at the metaverse, but, like, it's. [00:55:00] Speaker A: Going to be so interesting to understand on a deeper level, like, why things are up and things are down. Like, what was that land that she went into? Also, in her dream, she sees that the stag. The stag across this huge, like, gulf that, you know, is between her and this wooded area across the way. [00:55:21] Speaker B: And the stag, I think, is the Tarasen or whatever her last name is. Yeah. So, I mean, you never know. [00:55:30] Speaker A: It'll be interesting. [00:55:31] Speaker B: It'll be interesting. I'm excited. I'm excited to read it. You know, it wasn't. What did you feel like overall? A love it or a leave it? [00:55:39] Speaker A: Overall, it was a love it. I do feel like I am interested to read the. The next book. Of course. You know, Mikey said that the third book is a really. He's excited about it. He's gonna be joining us for our next episode. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Mikey, fan favorite. [00:55:51] Speaker A: So I'm hopeful. I mean, this was a really good, fun, enjoyable book. [00:55:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:55] Speaker A: I'm hoping that the next book gives us a little bit more meat to bite into, a little bit more. This. This felt a little transitional. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Transitional, yeah. I agree. [00:56:05] Speaker A: I agree. Yeah. But it was a fun book. I thought that it introduced some fun characters, I think, for what it tried to do in terms of imbuing more depth, the main male characters, I think it did a better job with Dorian. It did not do as good of a job with Kale. And as a matter of fact, there at the end, I'm a little bit like, did this dumbass shoot himself in the foot by, like, sending her off to her, like, ancestral land? [00:56:28] Speaker B: Yes, totally. [00:56:29] Speaker A: And now she's going to take over her own throne, create a rising against this king that he so fiercely loves, and this dummy's going to be in a position where he is a lord of his own land. [00:56:41] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:56:41] Speaker A: So now he's gonna have to go toe to toe with Selena as a queen. [00:56:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I hope they do. And I hope she kills him finally. [00:56:51] Speaker A: Blessings to this man for sending him off. Yeah. I was trying to understand sort of there at the end, like, what she had told him, and he just seemed devastated. And I was like, maybe it'll all make sense in the end. And, yeah, it did. She was like, I'm probably gonna kill you one day. [00:57:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, and honestly, like, if she. If they're, like, apart and he does some growing. I mean, I don't know where we go from here, but like that. I might like that better. [00:57:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, let's hold that out. [00:57:17] Speaker B: He goes through something that he, you know, I don't know. [00:57:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:57:22] Speaker B: I don't like a privileged white though. [00:57:26] Speaker A: Don't like a privileged white man. No, no. And he is giving. He's. He's giving that. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Yeah, he's giving. [00:57:33] Speaker A: I'm trying to have some struggle and strife in my life, but it's very hard for anyone to feel sympathy for me. [00:57:38] Speaker B: Right, right. Yeah. I don't like get. Yeah, so that was that. So I'm excited for the next book. [00:57:45] Speaker A: Good. Okay. I have a game. We can play MASH today or I think a fun game would be to play. Who the is that? [00:57:53] Speaker B: Let's do it. Let's do it. [00:57:57] Speaker A: It's a new game I came up with 32 seconds ago. [00:58:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:58:00] Speaker A: And the aspect of. Is this is. We're going to listen different names of different characters in this book and we want you to guess. There's 19 of them from Wikipedia page. [00:58:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:58:16] Speaker A: Throne of Glass for Throne of Midnight or Crown of Midnight. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Sorry. Yeah. [00:58:20] Speaker A: And 19 characters. And we are hoping that you can guess who the fuck it is correctly because as you know, we. There's a lot of names in these books and I don't know who the hell they are in one of your and out the other. [00:58:33] Speaker B: Now you're talking about me or are you talking about listeners? [00:58:36] Speaker A: I want you to. [00:58:37] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [00:58:38] Speaker A: The listeners can also be like, I think I know who that is. But they probably won't. [00:58:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:58:43] Speaker A: Because what the. How do you even pronounce these names? Number one. But also. [00:58:46] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:58:46] Speaker A: Who's this man? [00:58:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:58:48] Speaker A: Who you doing? [00:58:50] Speaker B: I want, I want to get. I want to get off. [00:58:52] Speaker A: There's 19 names. Now you will know a lot of these 19 names. Okay, so the first day I'm going in alphabetical order. Aelin Galathanus, our main character. Yes. [00:59:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:04] Speaker A: Ding ding, ding. [00:59:05] Speaker B: Uh huh. Archer Fenn, sex worker and very pricey. Yeah. A well paid escort and betrayer. Yeah, right. [00:59:20] Speaker A: Well paid escort, member of the rebel cause. [00:59:24] Speaker B: The rebel cause. Yeah. [00:59:26] Speaker A: And yeah. [00:59:27] Speaker B: But only out for himself. [00:59:28] Speaker A: Only for himself. Yes. [00:59:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Arabin Hamill, assassin. [00:59:33] Speaker B: Daddy. Yeah, yeah. Patriarch of the assassins. [00:59:37] Speaker A: Love it. [00:59:39] Speaker B: Baba, yellow legs, Witch queen is what I'll say. [00:59:44] Speaker A: Icon. Love that. Kale Westfall. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Boring, Boring, boring. Great. [00:59:52] Speaker A: Boring. Bodyguard. [00:59:53] Speaker B: That's what I'll say. Yeah. [00:59:55] Speaker A: Okay. Dorian Havillard, Prince. Love that. [00:59:59] Speaker B: Okay. [01:00:01] Speaker A: Dorian Havalard. The First. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Jesus. I guess one of his grandfathers. Like way back when. I thought Gavin was. [01:00:11] Speaker A: That's Daddy Havalar. That's King. A king of a darlin. Is Dorian Abhav Cavillard the First. [01:00:17] Speaker B: Oh, the dad. [01:00:18] Speaker A: Yeah. I didn't know Dorian was a junior. [01:00:20] Speaker B: I didn't know that either. [01:00:21] Speaker A: According to this. Fleet foot. [01:00:25] Speaker B: Fleet foot dog. Best character ever. [01:00:28] Speaker A: The goodest girl. [01:00:30] Speaker B: The goodest girl. [01:00:32] Speaker A: Caltain Rampier. [01:00:35] Speaker B: Heroin addict. But she's also a prisoner. And she's been going through it. [01:00:40] Speaker A: So a social climber. A pick me up. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Yeah, a bit. [01:00:43] Speaker A: Okay. Here we go. It's about to get very interesting. Lethane. [01:00:49] Speaker B: How do you spell that? [01:00:51] Speaker A: L I T. Spelling. [01:00:53] Speaker B: H A E N A E, N. I have no clue. [01:01:00] Speaker A: Lethane is a former lover of Kill Westfall. Who served as a maid. [01:01:03] Speaker B: Oh. [01:01:04] Speaker A: To a lady of the Glass Castle. [01:01:05] Speaker B: Did we even hear that name? Read that name. I guess. Okay. Okay. All right. [01:01:10] Speaker A: Yeah. It was very early on when it was described that he found her in bed with Roland. [01:01:14] Speaker B: That reminded me of like. Do you remember in love, actually. When Colin Firth found his brother? Yeah. [01:01:20] Speaker A: That was terrible. [01:01:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:22] Speaker A: Lord Naral. [01:01:25] Speaker B: Jeez. One of the. One of the council. [01:01:29] Speaker A: Lord Naral was the first character we hear about in this book. Was the ruler of Belhaven and one of the people. People whom Selena Sardothian was assigned to kill. [01:01:39] Speaker B: Okay. And didn't end up killing. [01:01:42] Speaker A: Didn't end up killing. [01:01:43] Speaker B: Okay. [01:01:44] Speaker A: Okay. [01:01:44] Speaker B: This is hard. Mort Dornacker extraordinaire. Yeah. [01:01:50] Speaker A: A king. A king in his own right. He's just down there alone. I hope he's not. I know. Okay. Nehemia. [01:01:59] Speaker B: Super cool princess. Yeah. [01:02:01] Speaker A: Yes. [01:02:02] Speaker B: Absolutely. L. We. Yeah. [01:02:05] Speaker A: Great. I'll accept it. [01:02:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:07] Speaker A: Philippa Spindlehead. [01:02:09] Speaker B: Fairy. Fairy godmother. Housekeeper. [01:02:12] Speaker A: We need to see more of her. I actually want her to be like a sleeper cell. [01:02:16] Speaker B: I do too. Yeah. [01:02:17] Speaker A: A little bit. [01:02:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:18] Speaker A: Okay. Rin Alsbrook. [01:02:21] Speaker B: How do you spell it? [01:02:22] Speaker A: R E, N Alls A L L, S. Brooke. [01:02:26] Speaker B: Oh, one of the guards. I know. Rest. Is one of the guards. [01:02:34] Speaker A: You know, I don't remember this gentleman. [01:02:36] Speaker B: I don't remember him either. What's. [01:02:38] Speaker A: He is a terrace and I. And a member of the former Court of Orinth. He is the heir of Alsbrook. But had to flee with his grandfather when in Darlin. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Okay. So I think that might be the. The cousin. [01:02:52] Speaker A: Oh. [01:02:53] Speaker B: I think Ren might be the cousin. Yeah. [01:02:55] Speaker A: Okay. His parents and sisters were executed during the invasion. Oh. He and his grandfather are part of a rebel Movement in Rift Hold. So is that our man? Is that our man with the swords on his back? [01:03:07] Speaker B: Good question. [01:03:08] Speaker A: I mean, because the illustration here. [01:03:10] Speaker B: Okay, that's. Oh, the swords. [01:03:12] Speaker A: Well, the illustration has like shoulder length black hair. [01:03:14] Speaker B: Oh, that's him then. Yeah. [01:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd like. I need to see like. I don't know. Okay. What ever. Let's see. Reena Goldsmith. [01:03:23] Speaker B: Poor singer. It was the singer that sang about the fay and then was beheaded. [01:03:28] Speaker A: That was ugly. [01:03:29] Speaker B: That was really ugly. Yeah, but she was like. I don't give a. [01:03:33] Speaker A: No. You know who this reminded me of? And I can't remember her name, but the dog days are over. The dog day, you know? Yeah, it's Florence and the Machine, right? [01:03:45] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Okay. [01:03:47] Speaker B: I was thinking where Arya from? Oh, you were thinking. Because of her red hair. Okay, I was thinking Arya from Game of Thrones. Because she was like saying the names of the people that the king had killed. Yeah, but I love that Florence. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, perfect. And then Roland Havillard. [01:04:12] Speaker B: The Holland. [01:04:13] Speaker A: You mean Roland. [01:04:15] Speaker B: Oh, the cousin. [01:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah, just cousin. [01:04:18] Speaker B: Just cousin. [01:04:20] Speaker A: Okay, perfect. And I do not remember this name at all. But this is a. This is a good one. Sorsha. [01:04:28] Speaker B: Like. [01:04:29] Speaker A: Oh, God. [01:04:30] Speaker B: I know. I'm familiar. I'm familiar with the work. [01:04:33] Speaker A: I'm familiar with her work, but not by name. [01:04:37] Speaker B: I don't know what the work is. So. Yeah, what is it? [01:04:41] Speaker A: A healer who worked at the glass castle from Riptold. [01:04:43] Speaker B: Oh, okay, okay, okay. Who healed one of them, who healed. [01:04:49] Speaker A: Everybody at the end. [01:04:50] Speaker B: Everybody at that. Besides Selena. Because she's a Fae. [01:04:55] Speaker A: Yeah, right. I didn't even think about that. She didn't even. Way to pay attention to details. [01:05:04] Speaker B: I know. Oh, it's two in the morning. [01:05:09] Speaker A: Okay, well, that was fun for me. [01:05:12] Speaker B: That was fun. [01:05:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Just a. We'll play that game again. [01:05:15] Speaker B: We'll play that game. [01:05:16] Speaker A: Who the fuck's that? [01:05:16] Speaker B: We'll prepare. Yeah, you know what I was thinking about? Okay, so you're gonna really laugh at me, but did you know that scene where she was at Nehemia's grave? [01:05:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:35] Speaker B: No. It was like some Song of the fa. You know? And. And that was like. [01:05:39] Speaker A: She was like beating her heart. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:41] Speaker A: She was like, don't need all this. [01:05:42] Speaker B: I was like, are we gonna be werewolves? Like, what's going on? And. But like when she put her. When she like cut her. Her palm and like shoved it in the dirt, I was like, first of all, that's gonna get infected. And you guys don't have any penicillin there but what, like, what was that? That was so weird. You know what I did have a little flavor of was, like, Saltburn. [01:06:05] Speaker A: It did. [01:06:06] Speaker B: I hated it. [01:06:07] Speaker A: So we'll just put this back in the leave it section. [01:06:09] Speaker B: Let's put it back in the. [01:06:10] Speaker A: Leave it. [01:06:11] Speaker B: No, but you know what I was thinking of is, like. So she was wearing that long, black veil, and at a time in my life, I was. [01:06:19] Speaker A: You did not wear black veil. [01:06:21] Speaker B: No. God, no. Can you imagine me suffering your chemistry class? [01:06:27] Speaker A: I'd be like, what is going on? [01:06:30] Speaker B: I'm wicked. [01:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:32] Speaker B: Okay. I was a Dave Matthews Band fan. I'm so sorry. [01:06:37] Speaker A: You're just revealing this to me now? [01:06:38] Speaker B: I'm just telling you. We've been friends for three years. [01:06:42] Speaker A: All the shit talking I've done about Dave Matthews Band, and you've been in the shadows going kind of like this. [01:06:48] Speaker B: No, not anymore. Not anymore. But they did have this song called Long Black Veil. [01:06:55] Speaker A: Christian, do you know Long Black Veil? No, I'm sorry. I think I missed that one. Yeah. [01:06:59] Speaker B: Oh, my God. It was like an epic love story when. And he was like. I remember the whole song. Wait. She visits my grave when the night winds. Sorry, that was so loud. [01:07:16] Speaker A: It works. It gets the point across. [01:07:17] Speaker B: Anyway, he. It's, like, written by. It's like, written by him, and he visits. Wait, she visits his grave because he cheated on. No, she cheated on her husband with him, who was his best friend. Anyway, it was. It's. It was a very sad song. [01:07:34] Speaker A: Are people even friends anymore? [01:07:35] Speaker B: I don't know. I was like, 12 years old, and I was like, oh, my God. You're like. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Y' all don't know the pain this man is feeling, but I am tapped. I am tuned in. [01:07:45] Speaker B: I love that song. [01:07:46] Speaker A: I love that. That's great. [01:07:48] Speaker B: I love a ballad. [01:07:49] Speaker A: You do love a ballad. You love a ballad. Okay, well, that's great. I love that. We'll have to put that on the playlist. [01:07:56] Speaker B: I guess so. Yeah. [01:07:57] Speaker A: All right, well, I think that that does it for today's episode. [01:08:00] Speaker B: Does it? [01:08:00] Speaker A: I think so. I think we're there. [01:08:01] Speaker B: I think we hit. Hit everything. [01:08:03] Speaker A: Thank you so much for tuning in. We greatly appreciate it. And remember, if you are feeling the vibe, rate and subscribe as always. [01:08:11] Speaker B: Thank you to Christian McCann for keeping our sound in check. And to the illustrious Lincoln Lodge in Chicago, Illinois, for letting us do our thing. By the way, is this considered Logan Square? [01:08:22] Speaker A: Yes. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Okay. All right. I was right. [01:08:25] Speaker A: Barely over the border. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Okay, that. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Right, that intersection. Cuz where I'm at is Buck Yeah, you told me. [01:08:29] Speaker B: I was like, no, you're in log. Okay. [01:08:31] Speaker A: All right, so it, like, crosses right over that intersection. I think is, like, the. [01:08:35] Speaker B: Okay, so right now, in space and time, we are in. [01:08:38] Speaker A: We are, Logan. We are in just the greatest neighborhood. [01:08:42] Speaker B: The greatest neighborhood. Yes. Yes. If you come here, go to Lula Cafe. [01:08:48] Speaker A: Yeah. One of the best places. And Reno, as we heard tonight from Christian. Yeah, I love that spot. I love it. You might see Christian. Yeah, I'm there all the time. A celebrity. [01:08:58] Speaker B: Celebrity spotting in the wild. [01:09:02] Speaker A: Exactly. Wonderful. [01:09:05] Speaker B: All right, until next time. [01:09:06] Speaker A: Bye. [01:09:07] Speaker B: Bye.