Moor Money, Moor Problems

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome to Spellbound, our Romantasy podcast. I'm Deidre. [00:00:09] Speaker B: And I'm Jillian. [00:00:10] Speaker A: Welcome. [00:00:11] Speaker B: How you doing? [00:00:12] Speaker A: I'm good. We are halfway through February. Black History Month. Wow. [00:00:15] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. [00:00:16] Speaker A: And what have you done to celebrate? Well, we did do Galentine's this weekend, which also, I think doubled as just a celebration of, you know, black history. [00:00:28] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, for sure. [00:00:30] Speaker A: We definitely. We definitely touched on it during the conversation. So you're in the green. [00:00:34] Speaker B: I am. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Thank you. An ally. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Maybe we'll go to that. That movie screening next week. We are going on. [00:00:44] Speaker A: Well, let's do it. [00:00:45] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, let's do it. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Let's do it. We. I know we haven't followed through on that, but we definitely. I think it would be enriching. [00:00:51] Speaker B: No, I think so too. [00:00:53] Speaker A: Weather. Here in Chicago, we do a weather [00:00:55] Speaker B: update every episode because it's always unpredictable. [00:00:58] Speaker A: It's unpredictable. And let me tell you something. We've been living. [00:01:01] Speaker B: Yeah, we've been living. [00:01:02] Speaker A: What'd you do to celebrate the 65 degree temps we had yesterday? Yeah. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Oh, God. I just took a long walk with Luna. Yeah. Yeah. [00:01:09] Speaker A: That's all you can do. [00:01:10] Speaker B: I mean, I was. I had to be in Hyde park for a while, but then I came back and I was like, oh, you [00:01:16] Speaker A: got to be outside. [00:01:17] Speaker B: I don't need my jacket or anything. [00:01:19] Speaker A: It's crazy. [00:01:20] Speaker B: It's insane. [00:01:21] Speaker A: People were really taking advantage of it here. People were out in the Bucktown area. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Yep. [00:01:27] Speaker A: The strollers were out. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Yep. They come out. [00:01:30] Speaker A: The girls were moving. Oh, my good lord. Y' all have been busy in the house. [00:01:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:38] Speaker B: They are like, we're free. [00:01:39] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:01:40] Speaker B: It's like, not until Your kid is 18. [00:01:42] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:01:43] Speaker B: Say, I gotta be. [00:01:44] Speaker A: I gotta be honest with you. One of my mom's. My parents, I should say. I actually just got phoned them. One of my parents favorite things right now is what you told me about. I can't remember who you said said it, but basically their response to the question of why don't. Why aren't you married? Like why? [00:02:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. You interested? [00:02:01] Speaker A: Meet somebody or, you know, whatever. It's just. Guess I'm just lucky. [00:02:05] Speaker B: Yes. I'm just lucky like that. I love that so much. [00:02:11] Speaker A: It's like my mom's like, tell your dad. Tell your dad about that. And I'm like, I'm just going to start telling people that left and right. [00:02:17] Speaker B: I guess I'm just. I guess I'm just a lucky person. [00:02:19] Speaker A: I'm just gonna. I told my mom today. I guess I'm Just one of God's favorites. Yeah. [00:02:22] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:02:25] Speaker A: I'm, like, gonna start looking at women who are, like, unmarried or childless. Who even knows what the situation is, whether by choice or not. Whatever. I'm just gonna be like, keep up. Keep fighting the good fight, sister. [00:02:34] Speaker B: It's seriously. Because, like, God does not look kindly on you, but it's like. Because, honestly, like, what's so awesome about that is because society says the opposite right when you're like, let's be honest. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:46] Speaker B: You know what I mean? That those people are unlucky. [00:02:49] Speaker A: I know. Hate to see it. [00:02:51] Speaker B: Hate to see it. Yeah. I hate to see it. [00:02:53] Speaker A: Well, hope they had a great Valentine's Day. [00:02:55] Speaker B: God bless. [00:02:57] Speaker A: We had a great Valentine's Day. Great Galentine. [00:03:00] Speaker B: That was a great Galentine's. [00:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:02] Speaker B: From our. What was our. Our first Galentine's Day was Magic Mike. Magic Mike. No notes. [00:03:09] Speaker A: No, no. [00:03:09] Speaker B: The best with. What's her name? [00:03:12] Speaker A: Salma Hayek. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Salma Hayek. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:14] Speaker B: She looks great. [00:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Then last year. Was it last year, then we did the. The robot movie. [00:03:22] Speaker A: What robot movie? [00:03:23] Speaker B: The movie. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Companion. [00:03:25] Speaker B: Companion. [00:03:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:26] Speaker A: That was a good one. A little off kilter. [00:03:28] Speaker B: I mean, a little weird, but I'm [00:03:29] Speaker A: always here when a robot, a female robot, if one can even be. Rises up. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:35] Speaker A: Becomes sentient, kills people, especially her man. [00:03:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Do it, girl. [00:03:41] Speaker B: He might be Tom Hanks. Was it Tom Hankson? [00:03:43] Speaker A: No, it's Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid's son. [00:03:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Close. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, one in the same. Shed no tears over that one. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah, No, I didn't either. [00:03:54] Speaker A: I didn't either, but really, you know. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:56] Speaker A: That's one instance where I'm rooting for the. Rooting for the robots. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Me too. Me too. Yeah. That was crazy how it turned out that that other guy was a robot. Yeah, that was weird. [00:04:06] Speaker A: I know. [00:04:08] Speaker B: You know what? I think we're gonna be looking at this on, like, in 10 years and be like, it happened. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Well, I hope that, like, I hope what I. Here's what I hope for. Hope all these weird tech bros create female robots and then they rise up and they basically just serve as our foot soldiers, ending this entire. [00:04:27] Speaker B: Seriously, that would be amazing. [00:04:30] Speaker A: We should write it down while. [00:04:31] Speaker B: We should. We really should. [00:04:33] Speaker A: Let's manifest it. [00:04:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Do a mood board. Yeah. [00:04:37] Speaker A: I love it. Let's just crack open Pinterest and let's just go to town. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Let's think of a name for the. For the cadre or cabal. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Those girls that brunch behind Us were obsessed with the use of the work of all they said. Excuse me, I believe you two are talking about the heinous behaviors of one Jeffrey Epstein. And we were like, girl, get it together. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And then they saw us at the movie theater. I'm like, are you the Cabal girls? [00:05:03] Speaker A: And it's like it's all one interconnected conspiracy. [00:05:06] Speaker B: Seriously, Tentacles are everywhere. [00:05:09] Speaker A: No. There's no escape. It's a hive mind. God. I know. [00:05:12] Speaker B: We're done. [00:05:13] Speaker A: No. My Galentine's day continued. This weekend. I dined with a POD favorite. [00:05:20] Speaker B: How's he doing? [00:05:20] Speaker A: Nathan? [00:05:21] Speaker B: How's he doing? [00:05:22] Speaker A: As lovely as ever. [00:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Had a wonderful Valentine's Day with his man. [00:05:27] Speaker B: Love it. [00:05:27] Speaker A: They did like a really cute, like, downtown library date at this. At the. At a library where you can't take out some of their, like, really renowned photography books. So they made a date of like getting like a cute little. Couple little drinks and then going to the library and checking out, you know, sitting down and looking through some of these books of photography. [00:05:48] Speaker B: I mean, that's what we need, more men like that. [00:05:49] Speaker A: God bless. I was like, this is a great day. You're over here. Get in the arts. Actually, like infusing it. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:56] Speaker A: I'm like, what's Jacob Lordy doing? Yeah, [00:06:01] Speaker B: crosstown. [00:06:02] Speaker A: That's what I'm doing. Looking at Jacob Lordy and his gold tooth. [00:06:08] Speaker B: My God. We gotta talk about that. [00:06:09] Speaker A: We'll talk about it. We'll touch out. We'll touch on that for sure. [00:06:12] Speaker B: Well, should we get into a little here? You hear you? [00:06:14] Speaker A: Yeah, with a little here. You hear you. [00:06:15] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:06:16] Speaker A: Okay. One thing I'm gonna start off with you about. I, for one. Well, actually, I'll start with this. This is, this is pretty, you know, pretty fun. According to an article in the Indy 100. Really quick article. Heated rivalry, steamy gay romance is being embraced by Winter Olympic athletes. [00:06:35] Speaker B: Shut the fuck up. [00:06:35] Speaker A: They're loving it. I also read another article. I can't remember which one it was, but basically it was talking about how hockey players, like American hockey players, are embracing the excitement and the buzz around heated rivalry. If for nothing else than it's driving a lot more eyes to the sport. But they asked a couple of, you know, hot blooded American, what one can assume is probably a straight hockey player about, you know, the show of heated rivalry and whatever. And they, they're like, you know, I think it' if it is, you know, getting potentially closeted athletes to come to come out. And if I If we had a teammate like that, like, we'd embrace him. We love him. He's one of us. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Love it. I love it. [00:07:19] Speaker A: Love to hear that. But essentially, in the Olympic village, they were just basically talking about how it's still a buzz among all the athletes in the village. They were talking about the Canadian Olympic team specifically. And apparently they were gifted with plants as part of this entire experience. Experience. Okay. And a number of athletes have been naming theirs appropriately. Shane and Ilya. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:39] Speaker A: And there is a moose, apparently in the Olympic village. I don't know, but they've named him Shane. [00:07:44] Speaker B: Oh, there you go. Why did they go with Shane? [00:07:46] Speaker A: I don't know. This one particular athlete, a woman said, if you know, you know. And I don't know, but God bless. [00:07:52] Speaker B: I don't either. [00:07:53] Speaker A: I mean, is he hung like a moose? [00:07:55] Speaker B: I. I guess. [00:07:56] Speaker A: Man, I missed that episode. No, no. [00:07:59] Speaker B: I don't know. They didn't show that. [00:08:01] Speaker A: Ever. They didn't show that. But yeah, I love to see it. Great. So this is just continuing in terms of the joy. The joy. The joy that it brings. Okay, my next thing, really quick, small clip. Hilary Duff. We talked, we've mentioned her in. In, you know, recent episodes, but she apparently has come out with a new song that I didn't know about. It's not necessarily hit my algorithm. No, but her. The song is called Mature and the lyrics detail an age gap relationships. And so, you know, it's been many years. It's been over 20 years since we were at the height of Liz McGuire, Liz McGuire and Hilary Duff fame. Right. Like the 2004, 2005 timeline. [00:08:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:51] Speaker A: Many years ago. Many moons ago. But we were present for it. Yeah, but I forgot about the fact that she had dated Joel Madden of the. Of the band Good Charlotte. [00:09:01] Speaker B: Oh, Oh, I didn't. I forgot about that. [00:09:03] Speaker A: He's now married to Nicole Richie. They're like their family. They're living, what have you. [00:09:08] Speaker B: Benji's married to Cameron D. Yes, correct. [00:09:10] Speaker A: Okay. However, this song called Mature Again, it details a age gap relationship again, to remind you of how up the early odds were. [00:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. [00:09:21] Speaker A: Did you know that when Hillary Duff dated Joel Madden, it was from 2004 to 2006 when they started seeing each other. Hillary Duff was 16 and he was 25. [00:09:34] Speaker B: That's up. [00:09:35] Speaker A: And here they are on red carpet. [00:09:38] Speaker B: Shut the up. She's 16. [00:09:40] Speaker A: When they started dating, we were like, yeah. [00:09:43] Speaker B: We were like, oh, she napped. Yeah, Another man. [00:09:48] Speaker A: Now we're like, call the police. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Oh, call the goddamn police. Call SVU call Olivia Benson. [00:09:55] Speaker A: Yeah, she's on the case. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Like, isn't that terrible? So anyway, why do we accept that? I don't know, but the lyrics. People were basically, you know, trying to say that maybe it was Joel, but I. Apparently, Nicole Richie and Joel had posted, like, maybe some social media videos of themselves listening to the song in support of it. So, like, it. It. People are like, no, it must not be about Joel. [00:10:24] Speaker B: If. Okay. [00:10:25] Speaker A: They're so comfortable talking about a movie, so I'm, like, wondering who it could be. The only person I'm thinking of is Leonardo DiCaprio. [00:10:32] Speaker B: Did she date him? [00:10:33] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:10:34] Speaker B: Well, yeah, it would track. It would track. It would track. I could see that. [00:10:38] Speaker A: But. [00:10:38] Speaker B: What? Her husband isn't older, right, Or. No, okay, okay. [00:10:42] Speaker A: She's been married a couple times, but neither of them are really older. [00:10:44] Speaker B: I mean, I think she's just, like, grasping it. Like, she's just trying to find anything. You know, maybe it was like, oh, maybe people are gonna think it's about Joel Madden, but it's just about nothing. Yeah, that would track too. [00:10:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:00] Speaker A: I. I don't know if I'll be giving it a spin. [00:11:02] Speaker B: I don't think I will, but I'm [00:11:04] Speaker A: glad that it's out there, girl. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:06] Speaker A: You know, you just got to put your art out there and hope the masses will come. We support you. [00:11:14] Speaker B: Support you. [00:11:16] Speaker A: A late 30s millennial girl. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:18] Speaker A: Love to. Love to see you're still kicking. [00:11:20] Speaker B: Seriously. Well, I do have another. Okay, so did you see that thing today about Shia LaBeouf? Speaking of. [00:11:26] Speaker A: Okay, thank you so much for bringing this up, because my mother, right as we were about to get on, she was like, who she? Sheila. I said, don't even do it. Don't even do it. Not even word. Don't even do it. I said, shyla Buff, you don't know. You don't know anything about. She's like, what's his problem? I said, he's got behavioral issues. That's what I said to my mom. I said, it's a. It's a long history of behavioral issues. It's with women. You don't know, and it's a problem. And I heard that he's like, his. His marriage to Mia Goth is ending. [00:11:56] Speaker B: Oh, I bet. Because. Yeah, yeah, that would make sense. [00:11:59] Speaker A: So what's the latest? Now, he was. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Okay, so there was some article in the New New York magazine that was like. So he's. Apparently it's the early aughts, because he's at some random bar in a random city doing, like, just getting drunk and aggressive. And he was arrested. And I guess it turns out that there was a bartender that made a. A holes joke. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Our type of man. [00:12:23] Speaker B: I was like, I love it so much. But he, like, yeah, apparently he just got arrested for. He was like, trying to be like the celebrity bartender. And they were like, shia, it's over. Like, we don't like you ever since, like, FK Twigs. Get the out of here. [00:12:38] Speaker A: Every time I see him, I'm sorry, I think about the FK Twigs drama and I'm like, that was heinous. It's so terrifying. I can't even imagine what she was thinking. [00:12:48] Speaker B: And the thing is, like, then they were talking about, like, how recently, basically all the movies he's made. Like, there was some documentary about, like, him creating a theater company in la, but that really, like, was fucked up and was like, kind of a cult. And so, like, all of the movies he's been doing are, like, based on, like, his trauma. And it's a little bit like, okay, we're. We're past that. We're. You know what I mean? Like, we. We've heard it. We don't want to see it anymore. [00:13:13] Speaker A: No, we're done. It's. It's been now almost 20 years. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:13:17] Speaker A: BS. [00:13:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I mean, it is. It's over. You know, I feel like we're past the age of, like, drunken idiot celebrities. [00:13:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:29] Speaker B: Does that make sense? So, like, we were. We had all of those in the early aughts, but it's like. Okay, it's just embarrassing. [00:13:36] Speaker A: It's embarrassing. And like, I don't know. I don't know what it's like for you, but I'm like, you know, it's really extra embarrassing when you're like the height of this man's career is what? Holes in Even Stevens. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Even Stevens. And you know what? I loved him. [00:13:49] Speaker A: And Even Stevens, he was really carrying that show on his back. [00:13:52] Speaker B: He was. Yeah, I loved that kid. [00:13:54] Speaker A: Yeah, he was great. [00:13:56] Speaker B: Great. [00:13:56] Speaker A: And then he's just, like, gone off the deep end. He got jacked very quickly. [00:14:00] Speaker B: He was in that Sia music video, remember? [00:14:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:04] Speaker B: With the girl that was like 10 years old. Yeah, that's really fucked up. [00:14:08] Speaker A: I don't want to revisit. I don't want to revisit it, but I do. I do have flashes of memory in my mind of uncomfortable images. [00:14:20] Speaker B: Yeah, they were in a cage, a big cage. And then they were, like, doing ballet together. [00:14:26] Speaker A: He's not the first one I would cast. I mean, there's plenty of. [00:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Wonderful dancers that. [00:14:35] Speaker B: For sure. [00:14:35] Speaker A: Many dance companies that she could have cast. Shia LaBeouf. [00:14:39] Speaker B: Derek Hough. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Get Derek Hough on the line. Get Derek Hough on the line. You know, I love Derek Hough. I do, too. A good guy, too. [00:14:47] Speaker B: He is a good guy. His wife, like, went through a lot of stuff, and then they just had a baby. [00:14:52] Speaker A: I'm so happy to see it. [00:14:53] Speaker B: Me, too. Me too. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Love him. [00:14:55] Speaker B: I love. [00:14:55] Speaker A: I actually also like Julianne Hough. [00:14:57] Speaker B: I do, too. I think they were just. They were like, of good stack. Yeah. Is that. [00:15:02] Speaker A: You're not sure? You're not sure with folks. I think coming. Coming out of Salt Lake City, it's. [00:15:07] Speaker B: Oh, are they okay? Yeah. [00:15:08] Speaker A: I don't know if that's where they're from, but if you Maybe the culture of Salt Lake City is what I'm going to say. [00:15:12] Speaker B: The vibes. [00:15:13] Speaker A: The vibes, yeah. But they seem to be growing up [00:15:17] Speaker B: and out well adapted. Yeah. Yeah. Well adjusted. I mean. [00:15:20] Speaker A: Well adjusted. Yeah. Good for them. Honestly, I think Derek Hough's touring soon. Maybe we should check that out. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Touring? Like dancing? Yeah. Oh, let's do it. We should. [00:15:29] Speaker A: You know, he's a big fan of brooches, so a lot of brooches are going to be making an appearance. Yeah. He was on Good Morning America the other day talking about him. [00:15:35] Speaker B: And you were watching. [00:15:36] Speaker A: I was. You know, I've got the TV watching. Habits of a mid-1990s work from home, Mom. [00:15:43] Speaker B: Work from home. Yeah. Well, just Mom. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Just Mom. Yeah. [00:15:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:49] Speaker A: So that's the latest. Anything else? [00:15:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I don't think so. I think that's basically it. I'm trying to think of, like. Anything else? Any other news? No. [00:15:58] Speaker A: You know what? Everything's a garbage fire. [00:16:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. [00:16:03] Speaker A: Release Epstein files. Well, actually, we're releasing files. Arrest somebody. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Arrest somebody. Fire somebody. Take away their money. [00:16:11] Speaker A: Round them up. [00:16:12] Speaker B: I mean, honest. To shame them. Publicly shame them. You know what I mean? Like, it is just like the other day I was thinking about. I don't know if I talked to you about this, but I was like, you know, there's so much focus on all the gross men that are involved in this. There's not a lot of focus on the victims. And of course, like, we, you know, they're anonymous, but, like, there should be more focus on, like, how that. How this affected, you know, or would affect somebody. And there's just. There's nothing. [00:16:41] Speaker A: No. I don't know what it's going to take. [00:16:44] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. I don't think anything. I mean, I don't think we can do anything at this point. Yeah, that wouldn't like. That would. People would be like, well, they, the billionaires need to go. Except for robots. Except for the female robots. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Keep them. [00:16:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I could kill them. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Keep them. Put, Put like, you know, right here. Like just. [00:17:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:05] Speaker A: In the cups. [00:17:07] Speaker B: Wait, wasn't it. Is there. [00:17:08] Speaker A: There is. It's like awesome powers. Bring those, Bring them back to their gram. They were way ahead of their time. Seriously, bring them back. Bring them, pull them out of the vault. [00:17:18] Speaker B: Because you. They will buy them. If they're billionaires. They will. Absolutely, absolutely. [00:17:22] Speaker A: Absolutely. And it's like the more. Here's the thing, here's how it works. The more. The weirder they are. [00:17:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:29] Speaker A: The more violent the doll becomes. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Oh, my God. The weirder the fetishes, the more violent they become. [00:17:36] Speaker A: I love it. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:37] Speaker A: I'm talking about, we're gonna have tanks walking down. [00:17:42] Speaker B: Tanks with blonde hair and blue eyes [00:17:46] Speaker A: and a nice little teddy on. [00:17:47] Speaker B: She's a little tiny girl teddy. [00:17:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, a girl can dream. [00:17:55] Speaker B: A girl can dream. Honestly, we really should do that. [00:17:58] Speaker A: You know who's my villain this week? This is also. It's an extension. [00:18:01] Speaker B: We should do a villain of the week. [00:18:02] Speaker A: Pam Bondi. Oh, my God, Pamela. I hate her. [00:18:06] Speaker B: I hate her. [00:18:07] Speaker A: Sitting there talking about the Dow Jones. [00:18:13] Speaker B: Honest to God. Like, that woman. I just, when I look at her face, I'm like, I hate you. I'm gonna punch you in the face. [00:18:20] Speaker A: Like nothing that Pamela Bondi is doing is for the betterment of women anywhere. No, I'm like, you're not doing us a service. This is a complete disaster. And when this goes down and nobody's held accountable, they're going to point at you and they're going to go, women can't get the job done. Then you're going to be out in the job market. Nobody's going to hire you. You're going to be disbarred. And that's just where we're going to be. [00:18:43] Speaker B: I can't believe she even has a Juris Doctor. I mean, what an. What a moron. [00:18:49] Speaker A: Such an embarrassment. [00:18:50] Speaker B: I know. [00:18:51] Speaker A: To the legal profession. [00:18:52] Speaker B: I know. Yeah. [00:18:53] Speaker A: Nobody wants to touch the Justice Department now. I was seeing that the other day. Like law school grads were like, no, no, that's nowhere I want to be. And especially not Pam Bondi, who's got like some. Doesn't she have some third rate like law degree. [00:19:06] Speaker B: Oh, does she like the Caribbean? [00:19:09] Speaker A: It's giving. The Caribbean. It's giving. It's giving, giving. You know, community college. [00:19:18] Speaker B: I don't want to be too judgmental [00:19:19] Speaker A: about, you know, it's giving, like, you know, Golden Gate State University. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right. Or Arizona State University. Online. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Online. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Online. [00:19:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. It's giving very much that it's giving. Got this thing in. In 10 weeks. [00:19:37] Speaker B: Yep, yep. You'll get a juris doctor in 10 weeks. [00:19:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's such a slap in the face of anybody that's like, literally gone to law school. Sat for the bar. [00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:47] Speaker A: And passed the bar. [00:19:48] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:19:49] Speaker A: That takes so much work. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, although, like, it's a little bit like, what's her face? Reese Witherspoon. Like, is it hard? Can it be that hard? [00:19:59] Speaker A: You know, for some people, they really make you think that, don't they? [00:20:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:20:03] Speaker A: Sad. I know there are some people, the questionable people out there who are lawyers. [00:20:10] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Are you kidding? [00:20:12] Speaker A: It's a. [00:20:12] Speaker B: It's a very questionable group of people. Group of individuals. [00:20:18] Speaker A: Okay, I think that's it for my. Hear ye hear. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it. I think we should get into the. We're talking about this week. [00:20:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. You know what we're going to talk about? We're going to. We're going to get into a little Cliff's Notes. [00:20:31] Speaker B: Nice. Okay. [00:20:32] Speaker A: You like that little play? [00:20:33] Speaker B: Oh, I do. Heathcliff's notes. [00:20:36] Speaker A: Yes. Love it or hate it, this week we're talking about the movie everyone can't stop talking about. Wuthering Heights. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Yep. So this Wuthering Heights was written and directed by Emerald Fennell. The film. So it's based on Emily Bronte's unhinged 1847 novel about obsession, class, rage, and, let's be honest, mental illness. Heathcliff and Catherine Earnshaw. Or Cathy. We'll get into that. [00:21:07] Speaker A: Cat. [00:21:07] Speaker B: Cat are somewhat divisively. Very divisively. Actually played by Jacob Belordi and Margot Robbie. Respect. What'd you think? [00:21:18] Speaker A: Here's the thing. Had a great time in the theater. We saw this thing in imax. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Yep. Oh, yeah, we did. [00:21:24] Speaker A: We wanted the full experience. It's so funny. We went to go see this in imax. Like people go and see the Avengers. [00:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:31] Speaker A: We're like, we want detail. I thought it was a fun experience in the theater. I did not walk away going, wow, can't wait to watch this film again. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. [00:21:41] Speaker A: No, but, you know, overall, I. It wasn't like I was clawing at the walls to get out. No, had a good time. [00:21:48] Speaker B: You had a good time? Yeah. And. And, yeah, I mean, we'll get into this. I. I think mostly it was just looking at Jacob. Lordy, that was my good time. [00:21:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:56] Speaker B: You know what I mean? But, like. And the. The cinematography was nice. Like, the moors were nice. I just didn't like the whole vibe, you know what I mean? It was like. It felt like a two and a half hour Lana Del Rey music video. [00:22:11] Speaker A: It. [00:22:11] Speaker B: It. [00:22:11] Speaker A: I, yeah, very much feel that way. It felt very similar. Yeah, it felt suffocating a little bit. Like, it was heavy. [00:22:18] Speaker B: Yeah, heavy. But, like, not in terms of content. Do you know what I mean? [00:22:23] Speaker A: No, it wasn't heavy in terms of content. It was just heavy in terms of, like, mood. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Yes. Mood. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:27] Speaker B: The vibe. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Nothing felt good. [00:22:29] Speaker B: Well, the thing is, like, I read somewhere that, like, the. Whatever, the cosmetics person, Emerald Fennel, gave her a mood board for, like, what she wants, you know, people's, like, makeup to look like. And that's how I felt. Like the whole movie was basically just a mood board. [00:22:50] Speaker A: It was just an aesthetic, you know, it was just for the. It was just for the. Just for the plot. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, it was. I mean, not great. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm curious. Okay. You've been doing a lot of reading. Did you read this book in high school? Did you ever read this book? [00:23:02] Speaker B: I can't remember. I definitely read Jane Eyre, but I can't remember if I read this, honestly. [00:23:09] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:10] Speaker A: What I find is so interesting is. And you probably know a little bit more about this because you've been like, really kind of digging into some of the articles, especially about the differences between this movie and the book. And obviously, you know, as we've heard, Emerald was intentional about that because she. She was like, this is like an interpretation of Wuthering Heights. It's not necessarily supposed to follow the book, but I am super curious about sort of your take, at least what your understanding is of, like, the dynamics in the book that we didn't see necessarily come to play in the. In the film. [00:23:45] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, I think like many other adaptations, it completely neglected the second half of the book. [00:23:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:54] Speaker B: You know, and so, I mean, the book is really supposed to be. I mean, it's really about, like, trauma, intergenerational trauma. And we. They didn't include the second generation. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:07] Speaker B: It's very up because, like, I was. I was like, reviewing online and the characters and then they put, like. I can't remember where it was but it was like a family tree. They're all related. [00:24:19] Speaker A: No, no. [00:24:20] Speaker B: So they're all. [00:24:21] Speaker A: What is it? The Habsburg chin. [00:24:23] Speaker B: But the. What? [00:24:24] Speaker A: The. What is it? That chin? It's supposed to be like a sign of interbreeding. [00:24:28] Speaker B: Oh, the cleft chin. No, I'll. [00:24:29] Speaker A: I'll pull it up. Go ahead. Continue with your. [00:24:31] Speaker B: Continue with the conversation. Well, okay, so basically, it's Habsburg jaw. [00:24:37] Speaker A: Hold on. It's a severe facial deformity, clinically known as mandibular prognathism, that was prevalent among the members of the House of Habsburg, a powerful European royal dynasty. The distinctive feature, characterized by a protruding lower jaw and receding upper jaw, was the result of centuries of inbreeding to maintain power within the family with devastating genetic consequences. [00:24:59] Speaker B: This is the Targaryens. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Here you go. I mean. [00:25:04] Speaker B: No, no, [00:25:07] Speaker A: sorry. Just. Just, just. Just to insert a little bit of that. [00:25:10] Speaker B: A little education there. A little medical education. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:15] Speaker B: But so. So it's like, I read this article that was like, it's. This is a very strange book, and that the movie was not strange enough. These. These characters, human beings, like, in the book, and they're actually worse in the book, and it really is. Yeah. So there's all this, like, the themes, like, like, of morality and class. And she just. Emerald fennel took that and put, like, a nice little pop of color on it. [00:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah, Right. [00:25:51] Speaker B: Like, it was like. There wasn't anything like we've talked about before. There was like. No. You know, it wasn't subversive in any way. There was, like, nothing to look underneath. It was basically what it was. [00:26:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:06] Speaker B: And the book also. So there was a whole thing, you know, people were apparently upset because the book includes. Catherine has a brother. [00:26:16] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:16] Speaker B: And the brother is the one that's cruel to Heathcliff, and the dad actually loves Heathcliff more than the other kids. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:26:27] Speaker B: And so there's definitely that same, like, Catherine is like, oh, Heathcliff is like, my pet. [00:26:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:32] Speaker B: You know, and. But there's also. There's, like, jealousy and sort of, like, property ownership and, like, revenge in there. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:40] Speaker B: That was not, like, evident in the movie, if that makes sense. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah. No. And all that mention of, like, all the dynamics that might exist in the book, I'm like, I wonder if that would have given a little bit more color and context for me that, like, I could have felt a little bit different about the characters, but, like, it all fell a little bit flat to me. [00:26:59] Speaker B: It was one dimensional for characters that really should be, like, six dimensional. You know what I Mean, like, they're still awful people. [00:27:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:07] Speaker B: And you still hate them. [00:27:09] Speaker A: Sure. [00:27:09] Speaker B: But there's like. There's just, like, way more to it. [00:27:12] Speaker A: I. I can. I can get into it a little bit more if I under. Like, if I have a little bit more. [00:27:16] Speaker B: Why, yes. [00:27:17] Speaker A: I have a little bit more texture as to why. This just felt like a whole bunch of assholes running around. [00:27:21] Speaker B: It was like all of like. Heathcliff was like. You were like, oh, my God. He's a great guy. You love him. [00:27:27] Speaker A: And in the first half, I ain't gonna lie. [00:27:29] Speaker B: I know, I know. And then it was like, all of a sudden, like, wait, you. You're, you know, using your. Putting a dog collar on your wife. Like, it doesn't make sense. [00:27:37] Speaker A: Not. Oh, my God, help me. [00:27:39] Speaker B: And it was just like. So there wasn't enough. Yeah. There wasn't enough context for, like, how that happened. [00:27:46] Speaker A: No. [00:27:46] Speaker B: And in the book, there is, like, they don't say what happened to him when he was younger. They don't say what happened to him in the Gap. [00:27:53] Speaker A: No. And they sure. They sure as hell don't say where he drives that horse off to. [00:27:57] Speaker B: For sure. No. [00:27:58] Speaker A: With the red, fiery background was giving Gone with Wind. [00:28:01] Speaker B: I know. It was giving Gone with Wind for sure. [00:28:03] Speaker A: As God is my witness. Isn't that what she says? I'll never go hungry again. [00:28:10] Speaker B: She was like. Like, Tara. [00:28:12] Speaker A: She was like. [00:28:15] Speaker B: And it was like, scarlet, go yourself. [00:28:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Go fuck yourself. [00:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah. But. Yeah, so. But I will tell you, and I don't know if I told you this yet, so in the book. [00:28:27] Speaker A: Oh, God. [00:28:29] Speaker B: People are saying that Heathcliff and Catherine are actually siblings. [00:28:35] Speaker A: Well, that's it for our episode today. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Like, half siblings, but. Yeah. Because, like. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Make it any better? [00:28:42] Speaker B: No, no, no. But there's like, a weird, you know, because, like, this, like, iconic line of, like, I am Heathcliff and whatever our souls are made of. Well, because they're like, oh, the dad went and got him from somewhere. [00:28:56] Speaker A: He's a ward. [00:28:57] Speaker B: And they think he's actually his. Yeah. And that he loves him more for whatever reason, but he's actually his. And so I'm disturbed. [00:29:07] Speaker A: That tracks. [00:29:08] Speaker B: But in the book, they never actually get into. They never have sex or anything. I think they maybe kiss once. [00:29:16] Speaker A: That's not what was happening in this movie. [00:29:17] Speaker B: Not what was happening. I mean, there was a little. I'm surprised they didn't do the thing, like, Saltburn, because in the book, he basically, like, a couple of times digs her up and, like, gets in her coffin with her So I was like, oh, why didn't. Christ, Emerald. That's like a. [00:29:34] Speaker A: That seems like that's right up Emerald's alley for sure. Yeah. [00:29:37] Speaker B: But anyway, so it was. It's fucked up. It's all fucked up. Oh, God. Yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker A: I hate that. Okay, let's talk a little bit about the queen. That is Margot Robbie playing this role. Love her. There is such a stunning actress. Yep. Love to see her. And this is an interesting. An interesting casting choice. [00:29:57] Speaker B: Yeah. We've been talking years too old. Yeah. Unfortunately. [00:30:00] Speaker A: So, I mean, listen, I'm all about our girls getting jobs. I want a woman to be employed. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:07] Speaker A: But I, at 37 years old, don't need to be cast. I think I told you this. That's like, you know, getting me the lead role in high school. [00:30:15] Speaker B: I know. It's not gonna. [00:30:16] Speaker A: You don't need it. [00:30:17] Speaker B: Yeah. No. [00:30:19] Speaker A: How old was stalker Channing? Agree. Voice. It's giving that. [00:30:23] Speaker B: No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:30:24] Speaker A: You know it is. [00:30:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, all of them [00:30:29] Speaker A: just a smoker's voice, just being like. [00:30:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:32] Speaker A: Trying to graduate. Yeah. I hated her. I hated her in this film. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Oh. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Absolutely hated her from the first minute. Even as a child, I was like, there's no redeeming this. [00:30:44] Speaker B: You know what? And honestly, like, I am. It's hard for her because I love Margot Robbie, so it would be hard for her to. Yeah. But it was the writing and character. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:53] Speaker B: You know, and there was no. There was no depth to her. She was like. She was like a sociopath. You know, she was like, just awful. [00:31:02] Speaker A: She was hateful to everybody. Y. I particularly hated the cruelty that she showed toward Isabella. [00:31:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:31:11] Speaker A: And then I just didn't really understand the will. They. Won't they. Between her and Heathcliff. Like, I know there's. I don't want him. I want to be faithful to my husband, to their. Out in the garden. Yeah. [00:31:22] Speaker B: Y. [00:31:22] Speaker A: All of a sudden, I feel such horrible guilt for this man when I'm married. Go away. This is over to. I'm going to starve myself. [00:31:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Have this. You know. Cause a miscarriage. [00:31:33] Speaker B: I know. [00:31:34] Speaker A: And just die off. [00:31:36] Speaker B: It's like, pick a lane. You know what I mean? [00:31:38] Speaker A: Like, you're swerving all over the place. [00:31:40] Speaker B: God. I mean, that is true. It's crazy because I kept being like, why not? Like, who the cares? It's 1850. Go and go with your man. I mean, have your cake and eat it, too. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Yeah. What? Edward ain't gonna do nothing. Edward's like, I'm just happy to Be here. Can I watch? Yeah. At a certain point, I think if [00:32:02] Speaker B: they had just asked him, honest to God, I. I feel like he'd be like, all right, I'll just sit in [00:32:07] Speaker A: the corner over here. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Who cares? You know? [00:32:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:10] Speaker B: I mean, but. Yeah, then there wouldn't be the rest of the story. But it's like. It's so messed up. So basically what happens in the book is, like, Heathcliff marries Isabella. [00:32:22] Speaker A: Yeah. How was she in the book? [00:32:27] Speaker B: She was not as, like, participating as she is. She seems to be participating in the. [00:32:34] Speaker A: Well, that's what I was a little confused about in the movie. I'm like, is she in on it or no? [00:32:38] Speaker B: Right. So it seems in the book she's really not. And he's, like, torturing her. [00:32:42] Speaker A: That's so sad. [00:32:44] Speaker B: And she really does, like, write Nellie a letter. That's like, is he a monster? Like, is he actually a man? And so. But so Heathcliff marries her, and then they have a kid. And then they have a kid. And then Catherine. Catherine and Edgar have a kid. They get married. The two. The kids. Yes. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Talk about torture. [00:33:09] Speaker B: It. It's so fucked up. Because, you know, if Katherine. [00:33:13] Speaker A: There might be siblings. [00:33:14] Speaker B: They might be siblings. [00:33:17] Speaker A: What in the West Virginia Turnpike is going on? [00:33:20] Speaker B: So fucking gross. So gross. But, you know, that's what happens. Yeah. [00:33:26] Speaker A: Damn. [00:33:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:28] Speaker A: Well, Isabella, having mentioned her, one of my favorite characters in this movie, I think she was so well casted. [00:33:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:35] Speaker A: She was so, like, weird and funny and. Yeah, I liked her. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I did, too. I mean, I liked her. I liked Nellie and I liked Edward. [00:33:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah. But, like. And Joseph. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Which one was Joseph? [00:33:49] Speaker B: Joseph was like, the stable. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Listen. [00:33:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:53] Speaker A: You know, Joseph is probably the most heartbreaking character in this entire film. I was trying to describe it to my mom, like, you know, after. And I was like, just the. Just the devastation on his face, knowing that he loved that other maid. And now she's gone off and gotten married. Had a K. And he's like, oh, she'd be embarrassed to be seen with him. [00:34:13] Speaker B: Embarrass her. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Oh, that broke my heart. Really? [00:34:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean, that goes along with, like. I know. I know. What? [00:34:23] Speaker A: Did you even really love him? [00:34:24] Speaker B: You walked out of there and you were like, joseph. [00:34:27] Speaker A: And now I'm like, who? Fickle, fickle heart. [00:34:31] Speaker B: Seriously? Seriously. But it's like. Yeah, I mean that. And I feel like Emerald was like, oh, yeah. This is gonna be part of this whole, like, commentary on class and, like, you know, money and all of that. Like, just, like, the Heathcliff or Catherine being like, you know, that would degrade me to be married to him. But it's like, it just doesn't. In the movie, it's like it doesn't hit. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:57] Speaker B: You know, it's like there's no. There's nothing deeper. [00:35:01] Speaker A: No. You know, no. It was missing that depth. Yeah, totally. [00:35:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Let's talk about Jacob. [00:35:09] Speaker B: Jacob. Yeah. [00:35:10] Speaker A: As Heathcliff. [00:35:11] Speaker B: Mm. [00:35:12] Speaker A: Really? Really. Sort of the star for me, for sure. And. But I mean, first half. Huh? First half. Just first half. I'm sorry. I'm giving it 45 minutes. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Well, you know what? I will say it also. No, it's like when he comes back. When he comes back, he's sweet beforehand, but you're like, I can't get over the hair. [00:35:32] Speaker A: I know. Like, what's going on? [00:35:35] Speaker B: I also saw the cosmetic person, the makeup person said that because they were going back and forth in terms of him when he's younger to him, when he comes back, they had to place every hair individually on his face to have the beard he had, which I was like, what the fuck? [00:35:55] Speaker A: That's weird. [00:35:56] Speaker B: And maybe that's why they got the idea for the Isabella, the doll that was made out of Margot's hair. [00:36:02] Speaker A: Oh. [00:36:03] Speaker B: But it's really weird. Yeah. [00:36:04] Speaker A: It is so weird. No, you make a really great point. Very sweet, very sympathetic character. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Before he goes off to make a man of himself, which I'd like to talk about, like, what the. Where. Where's the money coming from? Where the fuck did he go? But when he comes back and he's sitting in that parlor and he's smoking that. [00:36:22] Speaker B: That pipe. [00:36:23] Speaker A: That pipe. [00:36:23] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:36:25] Speaker A: Injected into my veins. [00:36:26] Speaker B: I know. [00:36:26] Speaker A: I looked up at. [00:36:27] Speaker B: You were like. I was like, she's dying. [00:36:29] Speaker A: I was wrapped. [00:36:31] Speaker B: You're moving around in your seat. [00:36:33] Speaker A: Squirmin. It was that good. [00:36:37] Speaker B: No, you were like. It's like. It's giving. Theo James. [00:36:39] Speaker A: Honestly, if you could just, like, play maybe the. Like, for sure. Cumulatively, the seven seconds of footage that was that parlor scene of him giving certain looks and, like, exhaling smoke. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Uhhuh. [00:36:50] Speaker A: I could watch that on a loop for about an hour and a half. [00:36:53] Speaker B: Sure. For sure. The whole length of. The length of the. [00:36:55] Speaker A: And I got. I got everything. [00:36:56] Speaker B: Yeah. With his, like, arm on the back of. [00:36:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I got everything. [00:36:59] Speaker B: I mean, it is. Oh, my God. [00:37:01] Speaker A: I got it. Thank you. [00:37:02] Speaker B: And that, like, smirk. [00:37:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:05] Speaker B: Now what's behind that smirk? Where was he? I know. [00:37:10] Speaker A: Terrible character there at the end. Well, when he makes a turn for the worse. Okay. But, like, where is he making his money? [00:37:16] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [00:37:17] Speaker A: He came back with that goal too. [00:37:18] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, well, because I'm sure that the assumption was that like the dad beat the two. Like beat him. [00:37:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:27] Speaker B: And then like he, he just, I don't know, got the gold tooth somewhere, [00:37:31] Speaker A: you know, I told you when we're leaving the theater, I was like, how do you make his money? In my spidey senses, my. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:37:36] Speaker A: My ancestral senses were like the slave trade. [00:37:39] Speaker B: I know, probably. [00:37:41] Speaker A: And I, I was just saying that because I was like, it was those, it was that time in, in the world for sure. Like, I don't know what else he could do. He doesn't understand. He doesn't have any formal teaching. [00:37:51] Speaker B: No. [00:37:51] Speaker A: He can't read, he can't write. Like, what is somebody to do to make a lot of money? And I'm like, well, they prob. Trade some black market trade some kind of way. And so then I googled it and I was like, how did he make his money? Thinking maybe I'm completely off the mark. And it's like it was never defined by Emily. And people have for many years said that it was possibly the slave trade or some other. Again, dark market kind of. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Yeah. That he went to like America, I think. And yeah, that was maybe one of the ideas. I don't know. [00:38:22] Speaker A: I mean, it would track, unfortunately. [00:38:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:25] Speaker A: But is even more disturbing when one thinks about how the original Heathcliff is a man of color. [00:38:31] Speaker B: I know, I know. I mean, this has been like. Well, so then Emerald Fennel, I guess was like, well, the whole movie is based on what I saw as a 14 year old girl. It's like, wow, we can't do that. No. I've read something somewhere that was like the resounding question you're left with after seeing this movie is like, why am I supposed to give a fuck about what an agonizingly posh woman from London thought Wuthering Heights was about when she was a teenager? [00:39:03] Speaker A: That's real. [00:39:04] Speaker B: It's true. You know, and it's like in like. Just check the source material. He's not supposed to be white. [00:39:10] Speaker A: No. [00:39:11] Speaker B: And it actually changes the whole, like all of the themes. [00:39:14] Speaker A: Yeah, right, right. Again, giving a little bit more that context and that, that texture that is so helpful in understanding them. Yeah. That would change the whole dynamic between him and Kath. [00:39:26] Speaker B: The whole dynamic? Yes. The whole like commentary on like class and race and all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:39:34] Speaker A: Let's Talk about the sex. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Let's talk about the sex. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Let's just talk about the. The general horniness that surrounds this film. From the first moment that the WB credit. It's, you know, kind of Paige just kind of rolls off. [00:39:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:47] Speaker A: We're met with a dark screen and, like, grunting that. To me, I was like, well, this is definitely about to open up to a sex for sure. I know it is. And then we're shocked to find the man hanging from the gallows. [00:39:58] Speaker B: That's. It's just, like, unnecessary. [00:40:00] Speaker A: It was so unnecessary, and it was so uncomfortable. I mean, we really had to sit there for probably 30 to 45 seconds and watch this man struggle for his neck to break or to suffocate. [00:40:09] Speaker B: Well, and I read something that was like. And then those little boys were laughing and they were like, see, I told you. And so it was like, it set the tone for sex in the rest of the book to be funny. Do you know what I mean? To be, like a joke and not taken seriously. So that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely did not like that. [00:40:30] Speaker A: There's so many things in it. And then there's, you know, Kath and Heathcliff get older, and there's obviously some feelings that have blossomed between them in this pet and owner relationship that they kind of have. Eggs play a big part. Eggs play a huge role in this huge. [00:40:49] Speaker B: You know, Emerald loves a fluid. [00:40:52] Speaker A: She loves a viscous fluid. [00:40:53] Speaker B: She loves a viscous fluid. Yep. Salt burn. She does, yeah. Yeah. [00:40:58] Speaker A: She loves it. She's like, more of that. We see eggs being sat on in a bed, being made a mess up. We see eggs being broken into dough. [00:41:07] Speaker B: That's being kind of Ned. [00:41:10] Speaker A: We see Heathcliff touch and feel the eggs while he's also looking at Cath from, like, a very kind of fog, maybe thinking to himself what it would feel like to feel her viscous fluids. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Yeah, one can think, I guess. I don't remember that part. [00:41:26] Speaker A: He, like, sits there and, like, touches it and, like, she puts eggs in his bed and he sits on them. [00:41:32] Speaker B: He sits and. Okay. [00:41:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And then he's touching them and he [00:41:34] Speaker B: looks at her across. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Looking at her, like, basically being like, you dumbass, you put this in the bed. But then he. It's kind of like you pick up that he's thinking something sexually. [00:41:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:44] Speaker A: And, yeah, general. Basically, Catherine going up into the seaside to sit behind a rock. [00:41:50] Speaker B: Ye. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Get herself off. [00:41:52] Speaker B: And then he licks her fingers. [00:41:54] Speaker A: I mean, we've all been there. [00:41:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Behind the rock in the moors. [00:42:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Trying to hide from the. The man in which we're fantasizing that we're fantasizing about. [00:42:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, but, like, I. I definitely haven't been in the. The half brother situation. [00:42:12] Speaker A: No. [00:42:13] Speaker B: So weird when you look at it [00:42:15] Speaker A: from that we just jump off the cliff. [00:42:17] Speaker B: I mean, I. I think. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to watch it again. I won't be with that knowledge. Yeah. [00:42:23] Speaker A: I won't be. You know how I am. [00:42:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Incest doesn't rock around here. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Nope, nope. [00:42:28] Speaker A: No, we have no place for it. Not interested. I don't. I don't care. [00:42:32] Speaker B: I mean it literally. Like, when I read that, I was like, okay. No, I was like, that's it. I don't even want to look. Think back at that and think about scenes that were sexy because I just [00:42:44] Speaker A: want to be like. No, I mean, if you do want to see Jacob Elordi going down on Margot Robbie, if, like, that's something that, like, you're interested in. [00:42:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:42:51] Speaker A: Taking a gander, there's a quick, like, maybe three second shot of that going, right. [00:42:54] Speaker B: Oh, that's true. Yeah, there was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But nothing, you know, nothing. [00:42:59] Speaker A: Like, there wasn't anything. No Earth moving, market moving. [00:43:02] Speaker B: No, no, nothing. Nothing. Moved the markets. No s P500 same Dow, same. According to Pam, Nas, even Nasdaq. [00:43:12] Speaker A: Everything's. [00:43:13] Speaker B: Well, nothing didn't go up. Didn't go down. [00:43:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but I would agree. I just, I. I thought from the previews that would be a lot more horny. But it wasn't. It was very tame. [00:43:27] Speaker B: No. Yeah, it wasn't. Yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't think they even showed anything. [00:43:34] Speaker A: No, no. [00:43:34] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:43:36] Speaker A: There was a bunch of scenes where I thought it was interesting. The horniest scene was between Joseph and. [00:43:42] Speaker B: That's true. Yeah. [00:43:43] Speaker A: The. The Ma of Wuthering Heights. Yes, that's true. [00:43:48] Speaker B: It's true. [00:43:49] Speaker A: When he put the. The horse bit on her. [00:43:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I know. I was like, that's dirty, though. [00:43:55] Speaker A: It's very dirty. I was like, maybe not the horse bit in the mouth. No, thank you. But I'm like, you know, brother and sister. Brother and sister. Not brother and sister, but, you know, people. I see the vision. [00:44:08] Speaker B: I know. [00:44:08] Speaker A: I see what you're doing. [00:44:09] Speaker B: I don't know. I get a little bit of. What's that? Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs. [00:44:19] Speaker A: But I don't want any of the. The biting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If we eradicate. That. [00:44:24] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:44:25] Speaker A: But they're just kind of having like a little fantasy time. [00:44:28] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Good job. Good. [00:44:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Good for them. [00:44:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:31] Speaker A: But no, I didn't need her biting down on a bit that the horses in the stable have obviously used many times. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Yeah. But and also like one thing it was like, like, okay, so Margot Robbie, like we're supposed to believe that she's like, I mean, she's obviously a 35 year old woman and that she's like scandalized by seeing that. You know what I mean? Like, it's like she's not an 8, like a 16 year old that she would have been in the book. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:57] Speaker B: And so it was like, nah, that doesn't work. [00:44:59] Speaker A: I know. And there's that whole scene where Heathcliff is like basically covering her eyes and mouth. [00:45:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:06] Speaker A: So all she can. [00:45:07] Speaker B: That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. [00:45:08] Speaker A: It's like, like the only senses she has is sense and sound. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:13] Speaker A: And she tries to recreate that with her husband. What's. What's his name again? [00:45:19] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Ed. Edward. [00:45:21] Speaker A: Edward Edgar. Edward, Yeah, I think it's Edward. And he like she tries to put his hand over, but it's just not the same. [00:45:27] Speaker B: It's not. Well, I mean, it's not Jacob, but [00:45:30] Speaker A: yeah, God bless him. Can you imagine, I'm sorry, as an aside, can you imagine being an actor who has to play like the man that like she, she, she's kind of, of forcing herself to be with because I mean, look at Jacob Elordi. [00:45:42] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. [00:45:43] Speaker A: I'm sorry. I couldn't degrade myself like that. [00:45:46] Speaker B: I'm just not gonna do it. [00:45:47] Speaker A: No, I'm not gonna have too much self respect. I'd be like, I'm sorry, I'm not taking that role. [00:45:51] Speaker B: I mean, God bless him. He was like, I don't, I don't know if he was this good of a character in the actual book. I think he like kind of sucked. But. No, but basically it was like, yeah, like we're supposed to believe that she's like, j. Just this 35 year old woman is just like learning about sex. Like, it's like, it's not. Give me a break. No, it's not true. Yeah, give me a break. [00:46:11] Speaker A: I'm like, how did, how then did she like the next day figure out how to go up to the. Behind the mountain? [00:46:16] Speaker B: Right, exactly, exactly. [00:46:18] Speaker A: And get herself together? [00:46:19] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. I know, I know. And yeah, the thing is I, I just hated, I hated it because it was so the casting Was so weird. [00:46:28] Speaker A: Yeah. The casting was very weird. [00:46:30] Speaker B: It just like. Yeah. I don't know. There was this funny thing that was like she changed outfits, like, as much as she changed outfits in Barbie. And I was like, she did. But what did you think about the costumes? Like, I wasn't a huge fan. [00:46:42] Speaker A: No. I mean, she just looked like a barmaid. [00:46:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, like, when she was. [00:46:47] Speaker A: It was giving Alice in Wonderland. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yes, definitely. Definitely. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Like, when I saw the previews, there were shots of like, the things that she was wearing in that whole montage [00:46:57] Speaker B: of like the red dress. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Yeah, all that. And so I was like, oh, I'm curious what that's all about, you know, but like, the way it was executed, like, in reality, what it all was. I was like, I'm not a fan. No. [00:47:08] Speaker B: And the interior decorating was weird. [00:47:10] Speaker A: It was so weird. It was like, just very bold. [00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Like monochrome colors in every room. Also the skin, like wallpaper. [00:47:20] Speaker B: The wallpaper with the blue veins in the mole. In the mole. Yeah, it was weird. [00:47:24] Speaker A: I hate that. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Weird. Yeah. That's just like a. That's an emerald fennel choice. That's like. We just did we need it. Yeah. We didn't need that because it takes away from the story and the. The people and the characters. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:38] Speaker B: Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just like. I don't know, it's just shiny. [00:47:43] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, pay attention to this and not necessarily how the story's falling apart. [00:47:47] Speaker B: Right, right. How the writing is kind of bad, you know, And God bless them. I love those actors. I think Jacob Elordi is great. I, you know, Margot Robbie's great. They couldn't, you know, like, they couldn't do it with that writing. [00:48:00] Speaker A: No. [00:48:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:01] Speaker A: Did you like the character of Nellie? [00:48:03] Speaker B: I did. I mean, you know. Yeah. In the end, she was not so great. But I mean, I think, I think that's a. She's a. Like, Mikey's right. She's a great actor. [00:48:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:12] Speaker B: But, yeah, I mean, I really didn't like any of the characters. [00:48:16] Speaker A: I didn't like any of the characters either. I did. Yeah. I mean, because Nellie. Some of Nellie's choices, I'm like, you know, I get. I get how she got there, but like, also, I mean, she was treating the wait staff or she was treating the maid staff. Terr. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She really. I mean, she was just self absorbed. [00:48:31] Speaker A: And also, I'm a little bit like at this point, like, you're making the choice to be here. [00:48:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:48:36] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, the only person that you need to be mad and resentful toward is you. Yeah. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Now in the book. So it's narrated by Nellie. Well, by this, like, new. This, like, guy who comes to live at Wuthering Heights when Heathcliff is, like, very old and Heathcliff is the landlord and he gets ill. This guy. And then Nelly tells him the story. So I was reading. I was like. Because that really reminded me of the Great Gatsby. So it was like, okay. This was like, you know, needed to happen for the Great Gatsby. But it kind of did also remind me of that movie because that Lana Del Rey song came out, and I was like, this is on. So excited for the movie. It was just like. [00:49:23] Speaker A: It fell flat. It fell flat. Yeah. A lot of just, like, woo, woo, woo. [00:49:26] Speaker B: Splashing. [00:49:27] Speaker A: It was g. I thank you so much for saying this, because I. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, it's giving a Baz Luhrmann for sure. [00:49:34] Speaker B: For sure. [00:49:35] Speaker A: Original. Who also made Romeo and Juliet. [00:49:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:38] Speaker A: But. Yeah, you know, that one was totally different in its execution and the way people respond to it. But the Great Gatsby just did not capture the story that. No, I love the Great Gatsby as a book. [00:49:50] Speaker B: Me, too. Me too. That. I. I think the characters are great. I think they. I like. Similarly, they got some great actors. I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio has his issues, but. And Carey Mulligan. And it just couldn't save it. [00:50:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:05] Speaker B: Couldn't save it. [00:50:06] Speaker A: They had a great soundtrack, too. [00:50:08] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [00:50:10] Speaker A: It just. Yeah, it had all the makings to [00:50:12] Speaker B: be great, all of the makings to be great, but was not like. And it was such a disappointment because there was all this hype around it. You know, it was like the Young and beautiful song. And what was it that Nathan was saying? Like, it was like, will you still love me when I'm young and beautiful? And he goes, honestly, probably not. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Just gonna be straight up. [00:50:31] Speaker B: Just. I'm gonna say no. [00:50:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Leo. Definitely not going. Yeah. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Yeah. I also. I'm curious about. Because we talked about this a little bit, how everybody calls this, like, the greatest love story of all time. I'm not saying it. [00:50:47] Speaker B: No. It's just obsession. [00:50:48] Speaker A: It is. You know, I felt like a. Like a weight in my gut as soon as, like, you're watching it and Heathcliff starts telling Kat that he'll. He'll murder her husband. I was like, listen, I've watched enough 48 hours to know where this is going. And this Is not good. This is not love. This is like murderous obsession. [00:51:08] Speaker B: For sure. For sure. Yeah. Very, very toxic in a way. Like just violent. Yeah, I. There was this thing that said it was like this kind of movie is like patriarchal desire performed by a woman and called feminism. So it's like the, you know, it's the obsession, jealousy, revenge, that's like, you know, because it's like produced or whatever by a woman. It's called feminism. And it's not. Yeah, it's absolutely not. [00:51:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:37] Speaker B: You know, it's very. And that was why it was like. It's very. 14 year old girl. You know what I mean? Like Emerald Fennel's a 14 year old girl listening to Evanescence. You know what I mean? [00:51:49] Speaker A: Wake me up. Wake me up, Miss Sud. [00:51:52] Speaker B: I love doing that karaoke. [00:51:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a good one. A banger. [00:51:56] Speaker B: It is a banger. But. Yeah, so it's like the. Yeah, the. Oh. She places a woman's desire at the center and amplifies it with cinematic power. But the desire itself is structured along entirely conventional lines. So the possession, obsession, sadomasochistic power exchanged between two beautiful people. I mean, that's really what it. It is. [00:52:20] Speaker A: All my relationships. Yeah. Every. [00:52:23] Speaker B: Every relationship. Every twenties relationship. [00:52:25] Speaker A: I. I would have watched it if I were 23 years old. Oh my God. 23 year old me watching this would have been like, oh my God, he loves her. He loves her. It's just tragic. [00:52:35] Speaker B: He loves her. He loves her so much. [00:52:37] Speaker A: This is what love should feel like. I walked out of the theater going, I never want to. Want to see that again. [00:52:41] Speaker B: I know. [00:52:42] Speaker A: That is so toxic. [00:52:43] Speaker B: So toxic. Yes. Yes, I know. It. It doesn't feel good. [00:52:47] Speaker A: It doesn't feel good. What is that? [00:52:49] Speaker B: I know it feels bad. [00:52:50] Speaker A: Are we just healed? [00:52:52] Speaker B: I guess so. I mean, and I. As I told you, I said, you know what? He healed me. He did. Rivalry. [00:53:00] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:53:00] Speaker B: Just two gay men, you know, playing. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Playing hockey, falling in love over the decade. [00:53:06] Speaker B: Being vulnerable. [00:53:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:07] Speaker B: Love it. Y. [00:53:09] Speaker A: No, there's. They're joyful. That was the. This is the opposite. [00:53:12] Speaker B: This is the opposite. Yeah. This is like dark and. Yeah. Obsessive and honestly, like mentally ill. [00:53:19] Speaker A: I'm not even sure that Heathcliff and Cath really liked each other. I feel like they were just hate fucking each other. [00:53:23] Speaker B: For sure. For sure. Yeah. I mean. Cause how could you like. I mean, I get it with the Heathcliff character in the beginning, but how could you ever like Catherine? Like, she sucks. [00:53:34] Speaker A: She sucks. And after she said that she would just Be disgraced by being with you. Then, like, how do you come. How do you come back from that? And then I thought, you know, here's my thing. I thought when he came back, I was like, oh, my God, here's this man who, like, loves this woman so much genuinely, and is like, I am coming back as my best self to prove to you that, like, I am worthy. And, like. [00:53:55] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:56] Speaker A: You know, all of these things, like, I can be the man that you want me to be. That's where I was in the first half with him. Right, right. And then all of a sudden, when he. Kat and Heathcliff were having sort of that very close, heated exchange between each other, like, he came back maybe the next day, and they had, like, that parlor, one on one, and he was like, no, I'm here to make your life a fucking living. I'm gonna make you regret every day that you didn't choose me. I mean, that really flipped things on its head for me. And I was just like. I don't. Like this whole thing of, like. Like, massively obsessed with the idea of having one another. [00:54:33] Speaker B: Right. [00:54:34] Speaker A: But not truly emotionally connected and in love with another. With each other. It was just obsessive and possessiveness. Yeah, Obsession and possessiveness, I would say. [00:54:42] Speaker B: And, like, obsessed with being obsessed. Obsessed with obsession, you know? And it's like. You know, even her, like, pining after him for those five years, like, she just is still obsessed and not, like, living her life. [00:54:55] Speaker A: No. [00:54:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:56] Speaker A: And, like, obsessed with the idea. [00:54:59] Speaker B: Obsessed with the idea of him. Yeah. [00:55:00] Speaker A: I'm like, y' all don't really know each other also. [00:55:03] Speaker B: You're related. I mean, because honestly. And that's the thing is, like, even if they weren't biologically related, they fucking grew up together. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Right, Right. [00:55:18] Speaker B: So that's weird. It's even weirder than, like, the. The Cher and. Oh, what's his face. [00:55:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:26] Speaker B: Paul Rudd. [00:55:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:27] Speaker B: I mean, it just is, like. Because at least they probably grew up in different houses for most of their. Yeah, but they grew up, like, literally, like, looking each into each other's bedrooms. Basically siblings. Yeah. Yeah. [00:55:40] Speaker A: It may have been blood siblings. Yeah, probably, as the theory goes. Yeah. Damn. [00:55:46] Speaker B: I know. I mean, I know the whole thing. And I guess I was reading something that was like. Oh, yeah, I guess, like, for that time, it wouldn't be. [00:55:54] Speaker A: No, no, no. Squash it, squash it, squash it. Any timeline, you give that to me. I don't care if it's 0 BC. Yeah, it's going to be. Not for me. [00:56:04] Speaker B: It's going to Be a no. [00:56:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:05] Speaker B: I'm going to walk the mile to the next town. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:08] Speaker B: Find somebody that I'm not related to. [00:56:10] Speaker A: No, there has to be somebody, anybody. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Yeah, it's fucking weird. It's gross. Yeah. [00:56:16] Speaker A: It wasn't for me. I don't know that I'm gonna revisit this one, but thank you so much. [00:56:20] Speaker B: I don't think so either. You know what did was great though, Charlie. Xcx. [00:56:25] Speaker A: Great musical choices. But I will sonically sound. [00:56:28] Speaker B: I will say that. Like, I've thought about listening to it and then I'm like, I don't wanna. Like, I don't want that vibe in my life. [00:56:34] Speaker A: She's got that song. What is it? And she's basically being like, fall in love again and again, whatever. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:56:40] Speaker A: I'm like, not for this situation, girl. We're not doing it. [00:56:43] Speaker B: See, that's the thing. I love the music. I don't want to think about the movie. [00:56:46] Speaker A: No. You know, because I'm a little bit like, this is wrong. [00:56:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's wrong. I know, it's weird. [00:56:53] Speaker A: This is not love. This is not love story. [00:56:55] Speaker B: No. And I. I think it is, like, it is kind of telling that this is. People say this is the greatest love story of all time. It's like, why? [00:57:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:05] Speaker B: Like, this is such a problem. [00:57:07] Speaker A: Yeah. What is. What is indicative to you that this is the greatest love story of all time. And to me, it's those toxic traits. [00:57:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:13] Speaker A: That people love. Like, people love talk. Some people love toxicity in their relationship. [00:57:18] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. [00:57:19] Speaker A: If it's not high drama, then it's not worth it. It's not worth it. [00:57:23] Speaker B: They love revenge. They love. Yeah, they love. I mean, if you think about it like all of these. These, you know, it's enemies to lovers. Yeah. Jealous, whatever. You know what I mean? Like, and it's just. Yeah. It's always a third person coming in and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, no, actually, I do love you. [00:57:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:42] Speaker B: So, yeah, we just don't have healthy examples of, like a, you know, healthy relationship. Yeah. [00:57:48] Speaker A: Well, I think to your point, if people just take a gander at heated rivalry, I think they'll be. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Honest to God. Honest to God. [00:57:55] Speaker A: Seriously, it'll give people everything they need. [00:57:58] Speaker B: Everything they need. Yeah. I'm trying to see. Yeah. So one thing was like, it speaks to our vibes. Forward hit seeking, visual culture. And. Yeah. So that's. I mean, that's just. That's basically what it was. [00:58:19] Speaker A: To sum it up, made for the TikTok culture. [00:58:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And the other thing I was thinking, I was telling you, like, I read that it was just. It's just a problem that like this. I would say that this is marketed for women. [00:58:34] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:58:35] Speaker B: Women and gay men. Yeah. Which is like, basically like, we're not watching football. [00:58:40] Speaker A: Yeah. The only ones I've seen. [00:58:41] Speaker B: We're only interested in things that women and gay men like. [00:58:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:44] Speaker B: You know what I mean? Like, we're not infinity football team. But like, why? [00:58:50] Speaker A: Huh? [00:58:51] Speaker B: But like, like, do they think we're. Does she think we're dumb? Like, does she think, like, we're not? And honestly, some people are dumb. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:00] Speaker B: And like the culture is getting dumber. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:03] Speaker B: But we don't need to participate in that. [00:59:05] Speaker A: No. [00:59:05] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:59:06] Speaker A: No, I like to opt out. [00:59:08] Speaker B: I would like to opt out. Yeah. Because I'm just not like. Yeah. I'm not into the influencer. Like, oh, this is vibes only. [00:59:17] Speaker A: No. [00:59:19] Speaker B: You know, think, man. [00:59:21] Speaker A: I know, I know, I know. [00:59:23] Speaker B: It's so sad. [00:59:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate. You know, I could have watched the previews for this and just been okay, for sure. [00:59:33] Speaker B: Oh, with just the trailers. Yeah. Because like all. I mean, we didn't know any of the, like, actual story and there was okay without it. Yeah. I'm okay without the dialogue. [00:59:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Honestly, if it was out without the [00:59:46] Speaker A: dialogue, it would be better again, I tell you. Just give me on the loop. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:51] Speaker A: Jacob smoking that pipe in the parlor. [00:59:53] Speaker B: My God. When he looks there, you know, there's something about Jacob Elordi, like, and I think I was telling you this, I don't know, but like, you. He kind of like looks up and you can see the whites. You can see like a lot of white in his eyes. And there's something about that. [01:00:08] Speaker A: There is something about that. [01:00:09] Speaker B: There is something about that. [01:00:10] Speaker A: Yes. [01:00:11] Speaker B: And then. Oh my God. And the part hype. [01:00:13] Speaker A: You know, he's so interesting to me though, like, stature wise. [01:00:18] Speaker B: Yes. [01:00:18] Speaker A: He's so tall, but he kind of like bends at the top. [01:00:21] Speaker B: He does, he does. Yeah. I. Yeah, I know. I kind of want to put him in Pilates because I kind of want to be like. But. But I get it if you're that [01:00:28] Speaker A: tall, you know, he's like 6 4. So it's giving a little bit of [01:00:32] Speaker B: a question mark, like physically question. [01:00:36] Speaker A: It's just like it goes up and then it's. [01:00:38] Speaker B: He just goes down. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Down. [01:00:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. [01:00:43] Speaker A: He's so skinny. [01:00:44] Speaker B: He's. He's very Skinny. Yeah. Which, honestly, though, like, if he were. I don't know, if you were bulky, he would be the rock, like. [01:00:53] Speaker A: Yeah, no, and I don't want that. [01:00:54] Speaker B: I don't want that either. Yeah. [01:00:56] Speaker A: So maybe the. The skinniness just maintains his, you know, his youngish young boy charm. [01:01:02] Speaker B: Yes, yes, he definitely still has. [01:01:04] Speaker A: He seems like a sweetheart. I've seen him on many, like, late night talk shows, doing interviews and stuff. He seems like a really sweet. [01:01:10] Speaker B: He's Australian, right? Yeah. [01:01:11] Speaker A: So, I mean, that's three quarters of the battle. [01:01:14] Speaker B: I know. Honestly. Yeah. Not American. Sign me up. [01:01:18] Speaker A: First in line. [01:01:21] Speaker B: I mean, I. I was thinking about this, though. I was like, how does she get. Keep getting, like, these actors to work with her, you know, Jacob Elordi, Rosamund pike, who I love. Love Rosamund pike from Salper. Yeah. And. And Barry Keegan, I can do without, [01:01:35] Speaker A: but make it of a part point not to. [01:01:37] Speaker B: I really do. I really do. Yeah. But Margot Robbie, excellent. You know, and so it's like, why do you. I don't know how these people, like, keep working with her. [01:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I saw an interview and Jacob was like, I think he was doing some other project with her. And she basically was like, hey, you want to do this Heathcliff thing? And he was like, sure. Like, just vibes again. Just being like, hey, you've been in another project of mine, you want to do this? And he's like, yeah, yeah. [01:02:05] Speaker B: Okay. This is what we talked about with Nathan when he was on the podcast. It was like, it's such a problem that there's no screen testing. [01:02:11] Speaker A: No, exactly. [01:02:12] Speaker B: You know, so it's just like, oh, I know, Margo, you're one of the producers and you want to be in it. Okay, then, Jacob, what do you think? Are you going to be free? Yeah. And then it's like, because they're both very good actors. They didn't have any chemistry. [01:02:27] Speaker A: No, they don't have any chemistry. Which. That is so interesting that you say that because there was a really interesting press run for this movie. Yeah. [01:02:34] Speaker B: I think they were trying to force it. [01:02:36] Speaker A: They were trying to force it. And it's like, we don't need to see this. No, there was actually. I'm not going to get into it because honestly, I don't want to just like, you know, promote clickbait. But basically I did see an article that I need to read and it said, are Hollywood showmances losing their shine? And basically they're highlighting Margot and Jacob. Basically. You know, this whole press run that they were doing where she was, like, him sending her flowers and her being like, I couldn't be away from him for longer than 10 minutes on set. Like, I needed him. [01:03:10] Speaker B: I hate that. [01:03:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, they were doing this whole thing over the last couple weeks, giving interviews, especially Margot, where she was just saying that, like, she was just absolutely, like, obsessed with him. Like, would look around on set for him. Him. [01:03:25] Speaker B: I hate that. Because, first of all, it's not true. [01:03:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:28] Speaker B: It can't be true. You know, but, like. And then it's just. And then they were giving each other rings or something. Yeah. [01:03:35] Speaker A: It's just sporting matching signet rings engraved with poetics about their twin souls. Off. [01:03:40] Speaker B: Oh, off. It's so weird. Like, you know, and I was thinking about this because all of these big movies do that now. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:50] Speaker B: You know, they do these, like, really elaborate press runs, and they're, like, pretending to have. Of the. A similar relationship. Right. The only one I believe. Cynthia and Ariana, they really did hold hold space for each other. [01:04:04] Speaker A: They did. And people are like, we're trying to match that energy for sure. [01:04:08] Speaker B: And I mean, even though the, like, it ends with us, you know, it's like they're just trying to. Doesn't matter if it's negative or positive publicity. It's like, oh, come watch our movie. Movie. Everybody's talking about it. [01:04:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:23] Speaker B: You know? Yeah. And I just don't like that. [01:04:26] Speaker A: Me neither. You know, it's exhausting. [01:04:27] Speaker B: It's exhausting and it's disingenuous. Yes. Yes. It's. It's very mindless. Like, it's just very, like, dumb. [01:04:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:38] Speaker B: You know? [01:04:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:39] Speaker B: I don't know. Yeah. [01:04:41] Speaker A: So it's a pass. [01:04:42] Speaker B: It is a pass. It's a pass. And you know what? [01:04:45] Speaker A: It. [01:04:45] Speaker B: It shouldn't have been. [01:04:47] Speaker A: Great IMAX experience. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Great imax. We. I know. I walked in there and I was like, really? [01:04:51] Speaker A: We're doing imax? I said, girl, we bought the IMAX ticket. [01:04:54] Speaker B: I was like, do we need 3D glasses? [01:04:56] Speaker A: I know you were looking for 3D glasses. I was like, I'm not sure it's that experience, but we are here for imax. We are getting the full effect. [01:05:04] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah. [01:05:05] Speaker A: But I mean, a good time at the theater. We always support the theater. [01:05:08] Speaker B: Yes. Oh, my God. Absolutely. Yeah. [01:05:12] Speaker A: All right. [01:05:13] Speaker B: What do you think? Should we do a little diagnosis? Little. I. [01:05:17] Speaker A: Let's head on over to the therapist couch after that. [01:05:19] Speaker B: There we go. There we go. [01:05:20] Speaker A: I need. I think we need a little help. [01:05:25] Speaker B: Okay. [01:05:25] Speaker A: So this is a new game this week. [01:05:27] Speaker B: This Is a new game Diagnosis with Jillian. Yes, yes. So we diagnoses with Jillian. [01:05:33] Speaker A: So I wasn't there a show called Diagnosis Murder? [01:05:37] Speaker B: I think there was, like, very, very old. [01:05:39] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [01:05:42] Speaker B: After Designing Women, probably. [01:05:44] Speaker A: And I was set. I was like, Sugar Baker Interior Design in Atlanta, Georgia. Yes. Let's go. [01:05:52] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I didn't watch that. [01:05:54] Speaker A: That's so cool. I love it. One time I was telling my friend Brantley, I was like, brantley, I would come home from fifth grade, I'd make me some Easy Mac. Easy Mac. And I would go back there in my bedroom. I turned my TV on. I turned to Lifetime. Lifetime had a. Oh, my God. Had a block of show. I think it was, like, from four to six, two back to back episodes. From four to five of Designing Women. Then it would go two back to back episodes of. Of Golden Girls. [01:06:21] Speaker B: Golden Girls, Yeah. [01:06:22] Speaker A: And I'd be sat. I'd be back there watching my girls, hearty belly, laughing all the time. And my dad would always come back there and be like, why are you so obsessed with these old shows, with these old women? And I'd be like, this is golden era television. This is God. And so one time I was telling Brantley this, and Brantley looks at me, he goes, you really are like a. Like a. A gay man. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's true. It's true. [01:06:46] Speaker A: I was like, I know. I know. What is. Good culture. [01:06:49] Speaker B: Good culture. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Meanwhile, my brother and I were watching Living Single. [01:06:54] Speaker A: Yeah, we are living. [01:06:58] Speaker B: Loved it. [01:06:58] Speaker A: Single. And I knew Peter was like, ooh, in a 90s kind of world. I'm glad I got my girls then. It's going. Keep your head up. [01:07:08] Speaker B: What? Keep your head up. That's right. [01:07:11] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:07:11] Speaker B: We also loved hanging with Mr. Cooper. [01:07:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Classics. The best classics. [01:07:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Great television. [01:07:18] Speaker B: We don't love her. Wasn't. What's her face in it or no. Who was in that? The woman. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Holly Robinson. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Pete. Yeah. [01:07:24] Speaker A: Yeah. She's cool. [01:07:25] Speaker B: Okay. She's not problematic. [01:07:26] Speaker A: I thought she was okay. [01:07:30] Speaker B: Yeah. So what are we doing doing now? Oh, okay. We're doing diagnosis. [01:07:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, diagnose that. [01:07:35] Speaker B: Diagnose that. Yeah. Just cool. [01:07:38] Speaker A: That's cool. Yeah. 90s television. 80s 90s television. [01:07:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I can't believe you had a TV in your room. I was so jealous of people who had a TV in the room. [01:07:47] Speaker A: Not only did I have a tv, but it was all in one set. So it was a TV and a VHS player. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Shut up. Oh, my God. [01:07:53] Speaker A: And I sit on my inflatable couch and Eat my easy Mac. Watching my girls at Sugar Baker Interior Design. Julia Sugarbaker and company. And you know who. Who also is on that show who's just great. And every time I see her, I think about the days I spent watching Designing Women. Is Jean smart? [01:08:10] Speaker B: Oh, I love her. [01:08:12] Speaker A: She plays like a. One of the women that works at the interior design firms. And she's not. She's supposed to not be that smart, but she actually is very smart. [01:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:08:23] Speaker A: And really sweet. She's like, from, I don't know, so like, small town, whatever. And yeah, just a great show all around. [01:08:30] Speaker B: I. I mean, you know what? That makes sense to me. [01:08:34] Speaker A: Love it. I love it. [01:08:37] Speaker B: So good. Okay, so I am going to give a diagnosis. Yes. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:42] Speaker B: And you are going to tell me who fits this diagnosis. [01:08:47] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. All characters. All main characters are. What characters? [01:08:51] Speaker B: Main characters. So we're gonna do the four. Yeah, the. The four main characters. Okay, so Catherine Earnshaw. Oh, wait, I guess we'll do. Yeah, we'll do five. Okay, so Kathy, Catherine, Heathcliff. Isabella. Edward. Is it Edward or Edgar? Isabella Linton. Edgar Linton. [01:09:15] Speaker A: Sorry, Edward. [01:09:15] Speaker B: I know. [01:09:16] Speaker A: Jesus. Sorry, Ed. [01:09:20] Speaker B: And then Nellie. Okay, okay, so first, one, generalized anxiety disorder. An anxious avoidant attachment style and possible dependent personality traits. [01:09:35] Speaker A: You know, I'm gonna get all of these wrong. Edgar. [01:09:40] Speaker B: Edgar. [01:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like stand up. [01:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah, stand up. I know. Stand up. Yeah. So he avoids conf. So hard that he marries into it. You know, he's an IBS Victorian. IBS king, probably. [01:09:55] Speaker A: Good Lord. Can you imagine? Imagine dealing with that in that era. [01:10:00] Speaker B: No, let me. [01:10:01] Speaker A: I go out to the nearest tree and just hang myself. You know, I can't deal with that. [01:10:04] Speaker B: I know. I can't deal with that. Like, if a time in a chamber pot. [01:10:07] Speaker A: Oh, you know, here's the thing. If the time machine came back. First of all, I don't want to go back to. Well, maybe, maybe I'd like to go back to any time prior to 2015. [01:10:19] Speaker B: For sure. For sure. [01:10:21] Speaker A: But. Well, maybe not anytime before 2015, but there's a sweet spot there. But if the time machine malfunctioned and sent me back there, I'm just gonna walk into the ocean. [01:10:31] Speaker B: No, I know I can't do it. I'll be like, get me the fuck home. Like, no plumbing. No, I can't do it. You know, I don't even like to do Europe because of the toilet situation. [01:10:44] Speaker A: You're like, I'm unsure. I'm unsure what's going on over here. They've got those dual flesh toilets and [01:10:52] Speaker B: yeah, they like hardly have any water in it. [01:10:55] Speaker A: Trust me. [01:10:55] Speaker B: I hate it. [01:10:57] Speaker A: You just gotta, like, do it and walk away. [01:11:00] Speaker B: No. Oh, my God. [01:11:01] Speaker A: I don't know. I have now, the Netherlands definitely experienced that. The toilets I've tried in. In London, we're not giving that. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Really? [01:11:08] Speaker A: No. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:11:10] Speaker A: I mean, they're not like American toilets where it's like, that bowl is filling that baby. [01:11:14] Speaker B: But. [01:11:16] Speaker A: But in London, it's not washing away. It's not around. It too. Is taking it down. [01:11:20] Speaker B: Really? [01:11:21] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:21] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [01:11:22] Speaker A: The Netherlands, it was like, this is suggested, like, you know, sure, you could leave it. They're like, it's it. We painted this. The. The bowl black for a reason. [01:11:34] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Oh, I know. [01:11:36] Speaker A: But I never had any issues. I. And you, you know, I'm somebody who is like, I take this, take it down. [01:11:40] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want it never. [01:11:42] Speaker A: It never gave me any problems. [01:11:43] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. See? Yeah. I mean, there's just anything. I mean, I. You like your. [01:11:49] Speaker A: You like your American comfort? [01:11:51] Speaker B: I am. I know. I hate America. I like American comfort. [01:11:55] Speaker A: Yeah, we do have some comforts. [01:11:56] Speaker B: I love an American toilet. [01:11:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:58] Speaker B: You know. Yeah. [01:12:00] Speaker A: You like that? [01:12:00] Speaker B: Good. [01:12:01] Speaker A: Delta Kohler. [01:12:02] Speaker B: Seriously love it. You know what, though? I've never been in Japan. I imagine I would love it. [01:12:08] Speaker A: You go over there and you just realize we're just living like beasts over here. [01:12:11] Speaker B: Seriously. It's disgusting. I know. [01:12:16] Speaker A: Okay, back on the couch. [01:12:18] Speaker B: Back. Back on the couch. Settle in. We're going to go with borderline personality disorder. [01:12:27] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:28] Speaker B: Adjacent. [01:12:29] Speaker A: Okay. [01:12:29] Speaker B: You know, attachment, anxious, preoccupied, and mood instability. So probably like a. Probably a depression. What do you think? [01:12:44] Speaker A: I don't know. That could be multiple people. [01:12:46] Speaker B: That's true. Yeah. Like, the borderline part is like emotional intensity and like the kind of inconsistency in relationships and like what they, you know, who they love and then who they hate and. [01:13:04] Speaker A: I was gonna say Isabel, but I'm gonna go with Kathy. [01:13:07] Speaker B: It's Catherine. [01:13:08] Speaker A: Is it? [01:13:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:09] Speaker A: Kath. [01:13:10] Speaker B: Kath. [01:13:11] Speaker A: Damn. Okay, what's that diagnosis again? [01:13:13] Speaker B: Borderline personality disorder. [01:13:15] Speaker A: Dang. [01:13:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:13:17] Speaker A: So just day to day, you never know. [01:13:19] Speaker B: Just the mood instability is the biggest. Yeah, yeah. And just like because of the fucked up attachment style and. And you know, people say that personality disorders are born out of trauma. So that. Absolutely. She's got some trauma. Yeah. Yeah. [01:13:36] Speaker A: Okay. [01:13:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Not. Not a well person. [01:13:40] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, no, absolutely. [01:13:41] Speaker B: She's hateful. Hateful. [01:13:42] Speaker A: What's the medicine situation over there? You know, last. Last time we Talked about sulk. [01:13:45] Speaker B: Oh, God. [01:13:47] Speaker A: With the antibiotics. [01:13:48] Speaker B: Yeah. But you know what? I was actually wrong. It was Ian Fleming, I think. I think that's antibiotics. Jul. What is it, Julia Salk. That is vaccines. [01:14:01] Speaker A: Well, God bless them too. [01:14:02] Speaker B: God bless them too. Get. Seriously, the two of the two of them. [01:14:05] Speaker A: Our own avengers, really. [01:14:07] Speaker B: What was the situation in 1850? I mean, definitely not psychiatric medications yet. Yeah. [01:14:14] Speaker A: They're like, this is witchcraft. [01:14:16] Speaker B: You know what? Kepper needed a little bit of that. [01:14:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:19] Speaker B: She needed a little bit of witchcraft. [01:14:20] Speaker A: They were doing. Were they doing lobotomies then? [01:14:23] Speaker B: God, maybe. [01:14:23] Speaker A: I feel like they were just cutting it open and screwing it around. [01:14:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just cutting stuff out, you know? I know, I know. Okay, what about. Let's see. Shoot. They don't really have a diagnosis. [01:14:45] Speaker A: Okay. [01:14:46] Speaker B: It's mostly like. Yeah. Like codependent traits, caregiver burnout, and certainly chronic boundary issues. [01:14:58] Speaker A: I'm going to go with Nelly on that. [01:15:00] Speaker B: Nelly, you got your. [01:15:02] Speaker A: I'll get you a therapist. Look at you, Nelly, we're getting you on a plan. [01:15:07] Speaker B: She. She needs boundaries. A union and one single conversation where she says, not my circus. That's what she needs. [01:15:16] Speaker A: She. [01:15:17] Speaker B: She moralizes instead of sets boundaries. [01:15:19] Speaker A: She just go, you like it? I love it. [01:15:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And then just, like, accept it. She needs some acceptance and commitment therapy. [01:15:27] Speaker A: So she just needs to get some new friends. She needs new friends. Get. Get back down into town, live in [01:15:33] Speaker B: line with her values. You know what I mean? She's not. [01:15:36] Speaker A: No. [01:15:37] Speaker B: Okay. What else? Who have we not done? Well, okay. Complex ptsd. So just tons of trauma. [01:15:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:51] Speaker B: Disorganized and fearful, avoidant attachment and like a complicated grief disorder. [01:15:58] Speaker A: I'm going to do Heath on that one. [01:16:03] Speaker B: That's Heath. [01:16:03] Speaker A: Damn. [01:16:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is, like, incredibly traumatized. [01:16:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:12] Speaker B: And possibly antisocial personality disorder. Although that really will show up in childhood, you know, So I think. [01:16:24] Speaker A: How does it show up? [01:16:26] Speaker B: Killing animals, stuff like that. Yeah. God damn it. And. But this got dark and we ain't seen before. But let's see. Yeah. Cruelty. Cruelty when they're younger. He. In the. In the movie definitely wasn't that. [01:16:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:46] Speaker B: In the movie, I would say he's, like, extremely, like, traumatized and then basically like fucking shuts his emotions off. [01:16:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:56] Speaker B: You know, and maybe because he went and participated in the slave trade. You know what I mean? [01:17:00] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, that'll drive you. That'll drive you to drink and shut your emotions out. [01:17:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that'll. Yeah. [01:17:05] Speaker A: And you can't read It. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Right. No, no, I know she tried to teach him, but in the book, he's like a. Like a cruel, cruel human being. [01:17:16] Speaker A: It's. It's the incest. [01:17:18] Speaker B: It's. You're right. It's the fucking incest. It is. You know, the Targaryen king went mad. [01:17:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:26] Speaker B: Mad. He went crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's the incest. I think that's it. I think there was one more. [01:17:34] Speaker A: What is. Okay, but so, you know, 10 out of 10 over here, I'm just about to start just passing out diagnoses like Pez Candy. What is Isabella? [01:17:43] Speaker B: Isabella. I. I think she's probably ptsd, too. She does some trauma bonding and haven't we all? Haven't we all? Yeah. She mistakes cruelty for passion. [01:17:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:59] Speaker B: And yeah, I mean, definitely traumatized. I. I mean, I don't know. I, I. Yeah. I don't want to say anything else, but there's something going on. Yeah, yeah. [01:18:10] Speaker A: It's best to just leave it in the chart. [01:18:16] Speaker B: HIPAA confidential. Hipaa. [01:18:18] Speaker A: It's just a. It's just a doctor and patient confidential. Yeah, exactly. You know what? We wish her well. [01:18:25] Speaker B: We do wish her. That actress is so good. [01:18:27] Speaker A: She was. I want more of her. She's good. [01:18:29] Speaker B: Yeah, she was good. [01:18:30] Speaker A: She kind of made it for me, honestly. [01:18:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:18:33] Speaker A: Like comic relief. She was interesting. [01:18:35] Speaker B: Yep. I mean, I liked Edgar too. Like, I think, like, but you just were looking for someone when they're all so cruel. You're like, there's got to be someone nice here. [01:18:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:45] Speaker B: And that's the. Edgar and Isabel were kind of it. [01:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, they didn't ask for any of this. [01:18:51] Speaker B: They didn't ask. [01:18:51] Speaker A: They just moved down the street. [01:18:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, Isabella was. She was giving me that book with the vagina. [01:18:59] Speaker A: We love a girl with arts and crafts. [01:19:01] Speaker B: Yeah. A little. A little. What are they called? Sketchbook. Yeah. Or a little. Yeah, it was like a pop up scrapbook. [01:19:09] Speaker A: She said, I love it. This reminds me of you. [01:19:11] Speaker B: She learns how to do. She learned how to do scrapbook. [01:19:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Good for her. Yeah. Yeah. What else are you gonna do? [01:19:16] Speaker B: Honestly, I don't know. [01:19:18] Speaker A: Well, yeah. All right, well, I think that does it for today's episode. [01:19:21] Speaker B: I mean, I think that does it. [01:19:23] Speaker A: Yeah. A pop up feel for yourself. [01:19:27] Speaker B: Yep. [01:19:28] Speaker A: All the book. [01:19:29] Speaker B: A vulva book. Yeah. Yeah. [01:19:32] Speaker A: I know a few people who could use one of those. [01:19:34] Speaker B: Me too. [01:19:34] Speaker A: Me too. All right, well, Pamela, thank you all for tuning in. And remember, if you're feeling the vibe, rate and subscribe. [01:19:45] Speaker B: We also want to give a shout out to Christian McCann for making sure our sound stays in check. [01:19:51] Speaker A: What did we call him today? There was some. Something we called him. [01:19:56] Speaker B: Host with the Most. [01:19:56] Speaker A: Host with the Most. The most. [01:19:58] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that. That man is. He's doing God's work out here with a dumb phone. [01:20:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, we could all live like Christian. [01:20:07] Speaker B: We really could all learn from him. [01:20:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:20:10] Speaker B: So, as always, thank you to the illustrious Lincoln Lodge in Chicago, Illinois, for letting us do our thing. Bye. Bye, Sam.