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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Hello and welcome to Spellbound, a Romantasy podcast. I'm Deidre. [00:00:13] Speaker B: And I'm Jillian. [00:00:14] Speaker A: Thanks for joining us. [00:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah, welcome, welcome. [00:00:17] Speaker A: How are you? [00:00:18] Speaker B: I'm good. Yeah. I had kind of a crazy day today, but overall I'm pretty good. [00:00:24] Speaker A: You don't want to talk about it? [00:00:26] Speaker B: No. Okay. [00:00:28] Speaker A: It's your right. [00:00:29] Speaker B: I mean, I just. I had a lot of meetings and it was a pretty slow day news wise, though, so that was helpful. [00:00:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, before we went live, you sort of mentioned Cory Booker and. And your love of him, not your love of his suit. [00:00:44] Speaker B: His suit is too big. [00:00:46] Speaker A: It's all right. I'll take that right now. Anybody getting out there and fighting for democracy, even if in an ill fitting suit, I'll take it. [00:00:52] Speaker B: How does he do it? Is he allowed to eat? No, I. [00:00:56] Speaker A: If somebody just hurls a bag of Doritos at you, I don't think they can deny it. [00:01:01] Speaker B: I think he can, like, do, like, ask people questions and then they can kind of take it over and he can. Yeah, but he's been doing great up there. [00:01:12] Speaker A: I need a civics course refresher. The brief civics course that I had in 2002. [00:01:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:01:22] Speaker A: The fall of 2002. It's just, you know, history. It's not giving me North Carolina civics. That taught us both how the state. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:30] Speaker A: How state politics worked and, you know, countrywide politics worked. We all had to take that class in ninth grade. Was that not required for. [00:01:38] Speaker B: No. U.S. history was, but I don't think we learned any state. [00:01:42] Speaker A: Yeah, we had civics. We had, like a full civics course. [00:01:44] Speaker B: Mr. Rife, he was a short king. [00:01:47] Speaker A: Love that. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Loved him. [00:01:48] Speaker A: I love that. We had Ms. Bryant, Nakia Bryant. It was her first year teaching. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Nice. [00:01:53] Speaker A: She did a great job. [00:01:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:54] Speaker A: Loved her. Yeah. Today has been a little. I came into the studio tonight telling you that my beloved Birdie, she's just, you know, she's good, she's healthy. But we've got something that. Some blood work that. That came back that we're just gonna have to check up on. [00:02:08] Speaker B: But it's a little alarming. Yeah. [00:02:10] Speaker A: It's just always like, I take my dad. Today was like, you take such great care of her. [00:02:15] Speaker B: You really do. [00:02:16] Speaker A: My dad's like, there's nothing you could have done. [00:02:17] Speaker B: No, I don't think so either. I mean, I do not take that good of care of Luna. [00:02:24] Speaker A: I'm like, what is this? Is this, like your Ohio roots coming back to home? [00:02:28] Speaker B: Oh, my God. My girl's from Ohio, too. Oh, no. [00:02:32] Speaker A: I mean, I had to go off a dirt road to get Birdie. It is five years tomorrow when I went and saved her from Trump country, and she's been living the life ever since. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Mine, too, I think. Yeah. But we met in the middle, and it was. She got out of the car. She got Luna out of the car, and I could see seven children in the car. It was, like, in a Walmart parking lot. And I was like, here we go. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Not her. Not. Not Luna. Living with fundamentalists for the first year of her life. What's going on? [00:03:05] Speaker B: I know. It was so sad. [00:03:06] Speaker A: There were two monster trucks in the driveway where I picked up Bertie. No, but I will say that this woman was one of the first people I'd ever. I ever encountered in 2020 who had strict Covid guidelines. Like, I wasn't expecting that from her, but she was, like, dead serious about, like, I couldn't come in the house. Like, Birdie came out to me. Like, she gave her to me. I signed all my paperwork on the hood of my car, like, and we, like, you know, we were on our way. So it was. It was real, you know, touch and go, real Hills have Eyes vibes for. [00:03:37] Speaker B: A minute, but her carbon footprint is not great. Yeah. [00:03:41] Speaker A: You know, hey, what can you do? [00:03:43] Speaker B: I know, I know. [00:03:44] Speaker A: But we got a good. We got something good out of it, right? An angel. So. [00:03:47] Speaker B: An angel. [00:03:48] Speaker A: So, yeah, just, you know, be keeping her in mind as we do some blood, additional blood work and whatnot. But I. Everything that. That we're dealing with is curable. It's solvable. It's just going to be a little bit of a headache if, in fact, that's what we're dealing with, if it's not a false positive. Some of the results that we're getting in our test. Yeah. For me, things have been good this week. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Good. [00:04:10] Speaker A: I was just curious, and I just want to let you know that as of the recording of this podcast, we still have 1,389 days, 18 hours, 15 minutes, and 11 seconds until the end of Trump's presidency. So we're chipping away. We're chipping away at it. [00:04:29] Speaker B: That is a long time. [00:04:31] Speaker A: I think I've gone that long without having sex. So. I can do it. I can do it. [00:04:35] Speaker B: You could do it. You can do it. [00:04:37] Speaker A: I can make it. [00:04:37] Speaker B: And you know what? I mean, it's only. I mean, it's half that time to the midterms, so. [00:04:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's, like, a lot of local elections that are going on right now that are the Florida special elections. [00:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:50] Speaker A: Wisconsin. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Wisconsin. [00:04:52] Speaker A: Elon Musk is involved in that a little bit too heavily for my taste. [00:04:56] Speaker B: So I was really proud of myself because I, like, I told my niece this weekend, I was like, what do we think of Teslas? And she goes, I don't know. What do we think? And I was like, we hate them. [00:05:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:07] Speaker A: This is what I'm saying when I say we've gotta shape the future. The youth. We gotta shape the youth. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:13] Speaker A: You're doing God's work. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:15] Speaker A: She learned more in that conversation than she's ever gonna get in a K through 12 education. [00:05:18] Speaker B: No, never. She comes home and she's like, it's too easy. And I'm like, don't say that to people. [00:05:26] Speaker A: You're like, I'm just gonna give you just like a little piece of advice. Let's cut this off right now. [00:05:31] Speaker B: No. [00:05:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Oh, we love her. [00:05:34] Speaker B: We love her. [00:05:35] Speaker A: Any roses or thorns? Anything that sticks out in your mind? [00:05:39] Speaker B: So I was thinking about this. I mean, first of all, my thorn. I have, like too many thorns. Every rose does. Go ahead and they cut you. Yeah, yeah. But I was thinking, my thorn is that Luna is like very afraid of storms and rain and even like when the atmospheric pressure changes. And so I'm looking at a real sleepless month this month. [00:06:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:06] Speaker B: You know, it's gonna be rough. [00:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. We definitely have a lot of storms coming up, even in the next few days. [00:06:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:12] Speaker A: That are gonna be rough. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:14] Speaker A: Any roses? [00:06:15] Speaker B: Roses. Okay, so you had me watch the show. The resonance. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Such a rose. Such a rose. Uzo Aduba. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Oh, God, she's so great. [00:06:24] Speaker A: A bouquet of roses. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Smelling great. Yeah. [00:06:28] Speaker A: Speaking of, I mean, my thorn, I would say that is a rose that I share with you. Thorn. Thorn is obviously, you know, what I shared with you about what's going on with Birdie. I'll also say adolescence is a little bit of a thorn. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Did you see the rest of it? [00:06:43] Speaker A: I'm working my way through episode four right now. The whole thing is just like so low vibrational. But such essential watching for anyone. [00:06:52] Speaker B: 100%. Yeah. [00:06:54] Speaker A: Even if, like, you don't have a young teenage son. I think just all of us living in the world with young people, it's essential watching. [00:07:03] Speaker B: I think so too. I mean, I was on the edge of my seat, like, almost like rocking back and forth, like self stimming. [00:07:10] Speaker A: It's. It's terrifying. And they really, I think I told you in text, they really ratchet up the anxiety through the way that it's shot. It's like one continuous shot the entire show. So, like, you never catch a break. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I know, it's true. I. I thought of it like American Son. Did you ever see that movie? [00:07:28] Speaker A: I don't think I saw it. Who's in that? [00:07:29] Speaker B: It's with Kerry Washington and somebody else. It was a play. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:33] Speaker B: And so it's like. Like filmed as a play. And this is a movie that I like. Ball. Every time I see it, I mean, it's terrible. Yeah. So let's not get into that. [00:07:44] Speaker A: But so not watching that. [00:07:45] Speaker B: Not on the list. No, not on the list. No. You probably. [00:07:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:50] Speaker B: No, you wouldn't like it. [00:07:51] Speaker A: Yeah. I gotta get through adolescence. What else? I think I started something else. I need to work my way through. I've got, like, a list of other shows that I need to get and. And work my way through. Yeah. [00:08:03] Speaker B: I'm trying to think of what I have. Oh, I want to see the studio. [00:08:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:08:09] Speaker B: That's supposed to be good. [00:08:10] Speaker A: I mean, if you would have told me, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago that I would have a small crush on Seth Rogan. [00:08:17] Speaker B: Oh, man, the glow up. [00:08:18] Speaker A: I would have murdered you with my bare hands. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:08:22] Speaker A: There's so much to love about him. There is. [00:08:24] Speaker B: I know. [00:08:24] Speaker A: I find him so endearing. He stands up for what's right. He's like, I don't care if we've been friends for 20 years. You're not going to be out here, like, abusing. Like, I'm cutting you off. [00:08:33] Speaker B: Wait, who did he cut off? [00:08:35] Speaker A: James Rico. [00:08:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. [00:08:37] Speaker A: And then he and his wife are just, like, very honest and very chill about being childless. They're like, we. We don't. We're not doing that. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:46] Speaker A: Good vibes to whoever is. But that's not our ministry. [00:08:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:49] Speaker A: And I. I love that we don't. [00:08:51] Speaker B: Go to that church. [00:08:52] Speaker A: Yeah. There was a video I sent you one time where he was. Because, you know, he has that pottery story. [00:08:55] Speaker B: It was a. It was ghost. It was giving. Ghost. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Ah. [00:08:58] Speaker B: Patrick Swayze. [00:09:00] Speaker A: I. He was doing something. He was holding, like, a blunt between his lips, also working, like, the pottery wheel. And I was like, there is nothing. I don't know if it's being cooped up in Covid for so. For Covid for so long or what, but this right here is the most erotic thing that I've ever seen in my life and almost makes the 1600 days I've gone without Sex. [00:09:23] Speaker B: It was like, yeah, this is right here. Yeah. I mean, honestly, we talked about this recently. It was giving Charlie's Angels, Sam Rockwell dancing to Gotta Give it Up with a cigarette in his mouth. I mean, that was the epitome of sex. Sexy. Yeah. [00:09:45] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a defining moment in girlhood to see Sam Rockwell doing that dance movement, Charlie's Angels. We don't talk about that enough. We just kind of like, let that sort of just fly out of the window. But I'm glad we're bringing it back. We should. More think pieces on that. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Yeah. We don't talk about Sam Rockwell enough. [00:10:01] Speaker A: We don't. And he's a short king. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:03] Speaker A: But a king nonetheless. [00:10:04] Speaker B: Yes. [00:10:04] Speaker A: We love him. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. He's great in White Lotus. Oh, you have to watch White Lotus. [00:10:09] Speaker A: I do. But I think I'm gonna fast forward to season two. [00:10:11] Speaker B: Season two with Theo James. [00:10:12] Speaker A: I mean, what am I gonna do? What else am I gonna do? [00:10:17] Speaker B: Seriously? [00:10:18] Speaker A: I think I might run back. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Oh, that. The gentleman talk about there was. Was he smoking a cigarette or smoking a cigarette? [00:10:27] Speaker A: He was lighting a cigar, getting it going. I still have that footage on my phone. I think about that every now and then. [00:10:33] Speaker B: I know you do. [00:10:34] Speaker A: I know it holds me down here on day 747 of celibacy, so. Thank you. [00:10:42] Speaker B: It's like. It's something with the mouth. It's something with the jaw working. [00:10:47] Speaker A: The jaw working? [00:10:49] Speaker B: Yeah, the jaw working. It's even. Like. We've talked about this before, like, even eating. [00:10:54] Speaker A: You love it. [00:10:56] Speaker B: I love it. [00:10:57] Speaker A: You're going down that path and I'm just stretching out my arm to you going. Come back to me. [00:11:04] Speaker B: It's the jaw working, though. It's the job. [00:11:07] Speaker A: It does something. Yeah. I told. I tell you all the time that there's nothing. There's. There is something very sexy. I don't find smoking. [00:11:13] Speaker B: No, no. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Sexy. I don't like. I don't like the whole aftermath of that and the effects on the teeth and the breath and all that stuff. But a man lighting a cigarette is a very sexy ritual to watch. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:11:25] Speaker A: And I like to be there for that. So. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, any. Anything else before we. We move on? [00:11:33] Speaker B: I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. What do we think for Romancy? It's in the news. [00:11:40] Speaker A: It's been a news cycle. And to be honest, I have just. I've been paying most. Most of my news attention has been on the slow creeping in of dictatorship. [00:11:50] Speaker B: Fascism. [00:11:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And fascism. So I'm sorry if like, you know, I'm not flooding these airwaves with news of what's going on. It's true. [00:11:58] Speaker B: It's so true. [00:12:00] Speaker A: There's been a couple of really interesting articles that don't have necessarily anything to do with Romanasy, so to speak, but they do have to do with romantic relationships and dating, which I do think we should talk about in a future episode. Like the one on the Cut recently. [00:12:15] Speaker B: Yes. The one with Chapel Roan, or no. [00:12:17] Speaker A: No, the one about, like, are women okay? [00:12:19] Speaker B: Are women okay? [00:12:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we should talk about that on, like, a future episode. Like, maybe the next one. Because I think it'll still be topical, but I just want to do that justice. But I did find a really interesting article called Romance novels are huge, so are the leading men. Why we still swooning over the hulking hero. And this was in an article in an online publication called the Kit by Sarah Lang. Seems like an Australian publication. [00:12:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:46] Speaker A: But interesting, interesting. Very interesting article. Basically talking about how all of the men in our Roman or our romance novels. Big umbrella. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:56] Speaker A: From Zaden in the Fourth wing to my beloved Ali Hazelwood books, the men are unusually tall and massively muscled, I think. And I can agree with this. I do a little bit of editing in my own mind where I'm, like, taking them down and slimming them up a little bit. I still like a little height. I don't necessarily like big, bolting, huge muscles, like mountain of a man. So if that serves you. More power to you. That's. That's not really my fantasy, but one. This was an interesting line. There's one character they mentioned in Ali Hazel Wood's latest novel. I guess his name's Lucas Blomqvist. But in the most recent novel, Deep End, he says that he's, quote, changing lives one stroke at a time. He's a swim coach. And so anyway, I just wanna mention also that interesting data point in this is that in Canada, romance fiction sales grew 404% between 2020 and 2024. [00:13:57] Speaker B: Wow. [00:13:57] Speaker A: Library loans for that genre were up 640%. So reading is fundamental. And they're getting out there for this. You know what I mean? [00:14:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:07] Speaker A: But they're basically talking about how modern romance is very progressive, especially for female characters. There's a focus on her pleasure. You know, you're seeing bigger bodies, you're seeing some neurodivergence, you're seeing bodies of color, et cetera. But for men, it's kind of the same guy. Right. So there's a lot of interesting Notes and research there in the article about how romance novels have evolved a lot in the last 40 or so years. Male characters have been become less hulking and just like physical brooding creatures. And there's begun to be more of a focus on actually using their brains. Yeah, but we still have that hulking hero type, the touch you and die kind of type you and I had talked a little bit about, like some of those characters when they're like possessive, like, don't talk to my. You know, you don't really love that. But it resonates with some people because you have a strong female character or strong female characters who are attracting strong men who are letting them not always have to be the strong woman. Think about it that deeply. I don't love the possessiveness that I kind of see in those examples, but whatever. But the writer of this article said the men shoulder a fair share of a relationship's emotional and physical labor, saying, quote, they're not asking her what they should get their mother for Christmas. They're not asking you how to call the doctor. They're being a partner. That's the sexiest part for women. And the sexiest conversations that are happening in romance are about consistent and not just about sex. It's about women having their own in relationships. This article, I think, does a great job of calling out, you know, if we're talking about how bodies are presented, there still is very much this preferential treatment for petite women, smaller women, and, you know, they're just sort of treated as cuter and prettier. And it says that female readers of these books are statistically more likely to be a size 16 and 5 foot 5. That's interesting interest, but really, I'll wrap this up by saying that there, you know, this article talks about how there's this sort of double bind going on. Despite the culture's critique of toxic masculinity and new options for more inclusive masculinity, guys can still face expectations to be tough, strong and traditionally manly. This is similar to the way that we as women have to be pure and sexy at the same time, as men are expected to be sensitive and hulking at the same time. To which I say, I am pure and sexy at the same time. I can do it. Why can't you? [00:16:32] Speaker B: Seriously? Yeah. [00:16:33] Speaker A: What's the problem? Step it up. Seriously. Let's see here, let's see near the articles. And they asked, but what would happen if she did turn in? She did read a novel with a male lead who was 57 with thinning hair. And a soft jawline. Not a page turner for me. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Not a page turner. [00:16:52] Speaker A: I hate to say it. [00:16:53] Speaker B: I just talked to my brother about hair transplants, so. Because I've been thinking, like, there are so many actors out there that you'd be like, they're supposed to be balding right now, but they're not. And so he was telling me that apparently it's like really popular in Turkey. [00:17:12] Speaker A: Yeah, people are. I saw a guy who's like an influencer and he did like a whole video blog vlog of going to Turkey and like filming the whole experience of getting it done. People are going to Turkey a lot for a lot of like medical spa work. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Well, he told me that he saw this picture of like a plane. Like, you know, basically all the people in a plane that were coming back from Turkey and that like, there were like, it was full of men with like bandages. [00:17:42] Speaker A: And you're like, wonder where he's coming from. [00:17:46] Speaker B: But like, my sister in law was like, can you imagine like, like a guy walking in with a full head of hair after he was like, totally bald. [00:17:55] Speaker A: It's a little like just turning the other cheek, I guess. You're just like, Dave, I'm going to give you this one. Totally. Yeah. You know, I mean, why not? Why not? Why not? If I were in that position, I. [00:18:06] Speaker B: Would absolutely be a turkey 100%. I felt bad because, like, my brother is balding, but I was like, I would be in Turkey yesterday. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Yesterday I would tell people about it too. I'd be like, I'm taking two weeks off to go to Turkey. Wish me luck with my plugs. [00:18:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Because like, I also wouldn't want that weirdness. I'd come back and be like, I need hair. [00:18:27] Speaker A: Let's be honest. Honest. And you also. We are, we're holding all these women to these expectations to like, keep their looks up and you know when their lips are a little bit fuller than they were last Tuesday. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:36] Speaker A: So like, if you want to come over here and your hairline is just a few inches forward. Great. [00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. Oh my God. [00:18:43] Speaker A: What's the problem? [00:18:44] Speaker B: I mean, the other thing he said is like, Elon Musk definitely did it. And he was like, and he's got great hair. And I was like, no, he doesn't. [00:18:51] Speaker A: Don't give him any compliments. [00:18:53] Speaker B: I know, I don't like it. Christian, you got a great head of hair. [00:18:58] Speaker A: Thank you. Yeah, we, we love it, Christian. We love it. Yeah. I mean, if there's, if there's one compliment we can Give you. It's a great head of hair. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Great head of hair. [00:19:05] Speaker A: We love it. The people, people can't see it, but just trust. [00:19:07] Speaker B: Yeah, just trust us. Yeah. [00:19:10] Speaker A: So, yeah, that's what's going on. I, you know, I told you if. If I read a book and the male lead was 57 with thinning blonde hair and a soft jawline. [00:19:19] Speaker B: Blonde. [00:19:20] Speaker A: I'm not opening it up. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Weak chin. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Oh, a weak chin. It's giving Andrew Tate anyways. [00:19:27] Speaker B: It is giving Andrew tape. Yeah, yeah. [00:19:28] Speaker A: You know how I feel about it. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Oh, my God, he's the worst. [00:19:34] Speaker A: Well, that is the one article that I thought we could lean into today if you want to take a look at it. I think I might put it in the show notes this week. [00:19:42] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. And you gotta send it to me. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll send it to you for sure. [00:19:47] Speaker B: Isn't a kangaroo baby a kit? [00:19:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:19:51] Speaker B: Isn't it? [00:19:51] Speaker A: It is. [00:19:52] Speaker B: So that is Australian. [00:19:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I'd never seen this publication before. It's giving me like the cut energy. Love it. [00:19:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it's cute. [00:19:59] Speaker A: We'll check it out some more. I'll send it to you so you can read up on the latest and greatest. [00:20:03] Speaker B: I will. [00:20:04] Speaker A: Great. Well, let's see here. What is next for us? What are we reading this week? [00:20:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:09] Speaker A: I'm so excited to talk about this. [00:20:11] Speaker B: I'm so excited. [00:20:12] Speaker A: You and I did such a great job this week of not talking about this book. I mean, just high level. We were like, yeah, I'm liking it. I'm liking it. I'm loving it. [00:20:20] Speaker B: I. But you totally. You got ahead of me, which was like. Is very, you know, I'm. I'm usually ahead of you and I don't know why. I think this last book, I was like, meh, yeah, the last book we did. [00:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Yeah. So then I was sort of like, okay, all right, I guess I have to read. Then I got into it. Oh my God. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Loved it. [00:20:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:40] Speaker A: Such a fun story. So well written characters that you're actually rooting for. You're thankful that you're not sitting here and having to read page after page of characters slamming each other. [00:20:51] Speaker B: Slamming each other home. Yeah, I was gonna say slamming their. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Tongues down each other's throat, but you're way down the line for me. Thank you. And it was just a great read, a great story and definitely left us hanging. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:05] Speaker A: So let's talk about what this book was this week. So this week we are. Jillian and I are talking about Spark of the Ever Flame, the first book in author Pen Cole's Kindred Curse Saga, a four book epic fantasy romance released in 2023. Spark of the Everflame. First of all, can you believe book. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Since 2023 it's going ChatGPT maybe. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah, let's see. Let's see what the robots. [00:21:32] Speaker B: I love it. I mean, I'm so reading it. [00:21:36] Speaker A: I. I think the robots are turning out some really great work. Yeah, they're. They're picking it up and they're putting it out. Just kidding, pin. 2023 spark of the Ever Flame is described as a slow burn epic Romanasy series following one woman who must navigate the unwritten rules of love, power and politics in order to save her of mortal kind. A little bit on our girl, Pin Cole. First of all, she's a Texas girly born and raised. [00:22:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:03] Speaker A: What I am really jealous about, she currently lives in France with her husband, which, like, work. [00:22:10] Speaker B: That's amazing. [00:22:12] Speaker A: Like a dream. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:13] Speaker A: She's had a few professional lives, including a short foray as an attorney and then again as a small business owner before she became an author. So, you know, it's never too late to follow your dreams. No, seriously, that gives anybody hope. [00:22:27] Speaker B: I love it. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And when she's not writing, she loves reading fantasy rom coms and humorous nonfiction, I think all things found in this book. [00:22:36] Speaker B: So love that. [00:22:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And yeah, like you said, I love that. And yeah. So let's talk a little bit about what this book was about and the characters in it. Just looking at my notes here, you know, in this book we meet our main female character, Diem, who is a mortal living among regals, magical ascended beings. [00:23:00] Speaker B: Just. Yeah. Descended. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Are they, Are they descended? They are descended. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for keeping me honest. I'm so sorry, Jillian. Absolutely. You have to keep me honest about these things. You can't be out here in these streets looking crazy. Descended beings, you know, who was ascended. Was that quicksilver? [00:23:20] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. So that was what was confusing. Okay. Yeah. And I honestly don't understand the difference because like, it's, it's, it's going up or down with say tomato. [00:23:31] Speaker A: I say tomato. [00:23:32] Speaker B: I know, I know. So the descendant, I think was like. Because the mortals were married or like procreated with. [00:23:41] Speaker A: Oh, with the gods. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah, with the gods. And so they descended down. But the ascended must have gone up in some way. I don't know what goes up. [00:23:51] Speaker A: Must come down, I guess, and all that jazz. [00:23:53] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:23:54] Speaker A: As it were. But anyway, regal, magical descended beings who oppress Mortals. And when we start the book, I'd say it's fair to say we're on the start. We're on the brink of a civil war. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I think so. Yeah. In life and in the book. [00:24:07] Speaker A: In life and in the book, it's. It. Reality, it's blurred. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty rough to read. But it's so good, though. [00:24:16] Speaker A: So good. What did you think? What did you think about tm, our main female character? [00:24:21] Speaker B: I liked her. [00:24:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:23] Speaker B: First of all, she's taller. She was described as taller, which I loved. Yeah, I'm. I was a little bit put off by the white hair. And I gotta say it. I changed it in my head because I was like. I just don't. I don't. I don't get that. [00:24:38] Speaker A: I love the white hair. [00:24:39] Speaker B: You did? [00:24:39] Speaker A: I did. I was just picturing it. It's like. I was picturing it more like. Like a. Like a very, like, white silver. Like, just kind of like, you know, you. You've got, like, that kind of gray. Like, not great silver. Like I say gray, but like a silvery gray. This I just picture is, like, a very light, kind of very cool gray. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:00] Speaker A: Okay. And you know what's interesting? As we talk about this book, I should note to you that I did not have any fan castings in mind. [00:25:07] Speaker B: Me neither. [00:25:07] Speaker A: Like, nobody was coming to mind. But what I find interesting, and I'll pull it up here in a second, is that Pen Cole actually put out her own ideas for fan castings and compared it to what the readers were kind of, like, putting out there as, like, their predominant ideas of who to cast. What I thought was interesting. I think DM is intended to be a biracial queen because she casts her. In her mind is Zendaya. [00:25:33] Speaker B: Oh, my God, I love it. [00:25:34] Speaker A: Don't you love that? [00:25:35] Speaker B: Yes, I do. I love that a lot. [00:25:37] Speaker A: And I was like, I'm strapped in, sister. More of this. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Also, her name is a little close to yours. [00:25:43] Speaker A: I'm not saying I inspired this book, but you don't see DM and I in the same place, do you? [00:25:51] Speaker B: Well, yeah. Love it. [00:25:53] Speaker A: When you think about the story, it is, like, a little bit of, like, a biracial struggle. [00:25:57] Speaker B: Totally, totally. Yes. And I can see, like, her brother and her dad being, like, her dad that is gone. Being. Yeah. [00:26:08] Speaker A: So very interesting. I really like DM too. I think, as a main female character, you know, you and I are always, like, waiting with bated breath until they, like, absolutely get on our last nerve. And I'm not Gonna say that DM was perfect in this book. She absolutely had moments when I was like, sister, yeah. What are we doing? Like, I think she was like, she's. First of all, she is 20 years old in the book. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:31] Speaker A: And in moments she shows how much of a 20 year old she is. She, like, makes 20 year old decisions that I think she's trying to be, like, very idealistic. And the things that she's, like, trying to pursue, like, she's being like, very. I don't know, she's trying to. To work for the greater good, but she doesn't have all the facts and she doesn't see things clearly. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:51] Speaker A: You know. [00:26:52] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:26:52] Speaker A: Like she doesn't have a 360 clear view of everything that's going on. [00:26:55] Speaker B: Right. [00:26:56] Speaker A: So she's actually, I don't know, kind of making a mess of things. [00:26:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Because she doesn't know, which isn't her fault. [00:27:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:03] Speaker B: But, yeah, no, I. I agree. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. So I liked her throughout the book. I was really happy about that. I'm rooting for her. Rooting for her, you know, in the coming books. I was curious, you know, whenever you were sort of reading about her character's evolution in the book, what were your thoughts about her trying to get off of her meds? Did that initially trigger you to be like, something's going on, they're numbing her out? [00:27:30] Speaker B: I know. I mean, I think I knew from the beginning that that was what it was. But yeah, the, like, the sort of like, I'm having delusions, you know? And then she started having delusions as a kid. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, this is. This is giving. A little schizophrenia. [00:27:46] Speaker A: It's giving. Yeah, it was. It definitely was. Yeah. And I knew from the first moment, I was like, something's going on. Especially she, like, runs into a, like a cryptic old woman in the alley the day her mom goes missing. And that old woman is like, for the love of God, stop taking those medicines, you know? Cause like, she kind of knew what was going on. [00:28:02] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah. But I thought between the meds and also every time somebody like looked at her and her blue eyes, number one, and her, like, white hair, and we're like, what's going on? Are you one of them? And she'd do, it's a childhood sickness, sister. Give it up. [00:28:17] Speaker B: I know. And it's like she. Even at the end when they put a goddamn crown on her, she's like, I'm not a queen, I'm not descended. And it's like, wow, throughout the book like, you have obviously been doing magic. [00:28:31] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:28:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. [00:28:35] Speaker A: She's in denial. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Yeah. It's pathological for sure, I think. [00:28:38] Speaker A: I love that. I love that. Thank you for that diagnosis. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:41] Speaker A: I'm sure she's happy to finally have an answer. I am. Yeah. I just. I thought it was just very interesting. Throughout the book, she'd have these visions, and she would. Do. You know, she. She would heal things very quickly. I mean, she was a healer by trade. [00:28:59] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:28:59] Speaker A: But it was interesting that, like, when it came to healing, like, the actual. [00:29:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:04] Speaker A: Like, descended. Like the magical being who can heal themselves pretty much on their own whenever they had, like, very serious injuries. DM was like. She had superhuman strength, and she could heal them very. And it's like, put the dots together. [00:29:18] Speaker B: I know, I know. I mean, it was. It was tough to read that part. Yeah. Should we go to Luther? [00:29:27] Speaker A: I want to talk about something really quick. I want to talk about Luther, but I also want to talk before Luther. We also. We have to get through. I want to talk about her family, and I want to talk about her Henry boyfriend. [00:29:41] Speaker B: Henri, whatever. [00:29:42] Speaker A: And then I want to talk about Luther. Like, I want to, like, savor Luther. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. As a slow burn. [00:29:49] Speaker A: As a slow burn. It's only right. [00:29:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:51] Speaker A: So, okay, so DM lives with her parents and younger brother Teller, who I love. Right. [00:29:56] Speaker B: No, he's great. [00:29:57] Speaker A: I love him. They live on a quaint house on a marsh. Love that vision for them. DM's mother goes missing throughout the book. We don't know where she is, but DM really kind of takes on her responsibilities as a healer. As a healer. My question's coming out of this. Do we trust DM's mother? Especially given the. The. The epilogue. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I definitely don't. [00:30:19] Speaker A: From day one, I was like, it doesn't make sense that she's gone. [00:30:23] Speaker B: Well, okay, so I talk about this. [00:30:25] Speaker A: In a little Theories. Yeah. [00:30:27] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I had a couple thoughts because, like, when Henri. [00:30:32] Speaker A: Henri. [00:30:33] Speaker B: Henri said that. Said that there was a woman that was running the whole. [00:30:39] Speaker A: You saw it. You clocked it, just like I did. [00:30:41] Speaker B: I was, like, thinking, okay, is she running the rebels? But, I mean, it's quite obvious at the end that she knew what was going to happen to dm. Yeah. And she has been, like, lying to the girl for her entire life, which, I don't know. I don't like. [00:30:56] Speaker A: So do you still think that she's, like, running the Guardians, you know? [00:31:00] Speaker B: Well, okay, so there was part of me that like Luther. Cause, you know, they had that conversation and they were doing, you know, they were obviously working together and Luther is like very concerned with like the well being of the mortal city. And so my. I'm curious if that's. He's like undercover kind of. Yeah, like he's at the palace, but he's actually rooting like and working for the mortals. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah, it definitely seems to me in my mind's eye. And we'll get, we'll talk a little bit about who this Luther character is momentarily, but Luther, I definitely think that Luther and DM have the same value system and the same ideal for what they want, which is like peace and harmony amongst mortals and descendant. And they don't like how it's been, how things have been going about for years. So I think Luther's probably pretty happy that King Ulther. How creative is that name? Just switching the L and the U. I know. Has died. And yeah. You know, now a new. I'm curious to. Did he, you know, was he aware that DM was probably going to ascend to queen? I don't know. So curious. It's very curious to me. I want to know more. Let's see here. [00:32:13] Speaker B: So the family and then Henry. [00:32:16] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, let's talk about Henry. So, okay, so, so her mother goes, her mother disappears. So dm, our main character, continues to live at home with her brother Teller, who's like a senior in high school. Sweet angel. He's a good boy. In love with somebody he be in love with. We find a descendant, yes, a descended girl who is Luther's little sister. And then her dad is an old like military general who is lauded as really great by both mortals and ascended. He'll just kind of do whatever needs to be done. Yeah, so I think that's important. But what's the most important man in her life is a fuckboy named Henri. [00:32:52] Speaker B: Henri Henry. Okay, so here's. [00:32:55] Speaker A: I love that take on his name. [00:32:57] Speaker B: I know it's a Frank. I'm a Francophile, you know. [00:33:01] Speaker A: You do. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Okay, so I was thinking like right from the beginning I was like, it's giving Cher and Josh vibes, you know, giving clueless Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd because they're like, he grew up with her and like considered her mom and dad to be his mom and dad. And so yeah, it definitely was giving like brother sister vibes, like incest adjacent. [00:33:28] Speaker A: It was just giving think. Yeah, totally. I see where you're going with that. It was too, it was just too convenient. [00:33:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:33:35] Speaker A: And I just think they're young and they're not. Who. Right. They're meant to be. And I think they just don't have any breathing room to recognize and realize how different they are as people. [00:33:47] Speaker B: Totally. Yeah. And I mean, it seems like they definitely have different, like, moral systems because he wants, like, a wife that's at home and. Yeah. You got mad with that. [00:33:58] Speaker A: I. The. I got mad in, like, Paige, age 35, because when they. They snuck out, they went on like a weekend get together. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Oh, right. [00:34:06] Speaker A: Weekend trip with each other. And they started hooking up. And he balked at taking the contraception tunnel. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Oh, I forgot about that. [00:34:14] Speaker A: I. It is scorched in my brain. I was angry about it. I was like, dump him. Dump him. [00:34:22] Speaker B: I mean, and the girl did the right thing. She was like, okay, fine. [00:34:24] Speaker A: Didn't he say something about, like, would it be so bad or something if she got pregnant? [00:34:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, yeah. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, he absolutely wants to keep her barefoot and pregnant. [00:34:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And she pulled away and he was like, okay, fine. [00:34:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, he stomped his feet a little bit about it. [00:34:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:38] Speaker A: I'm. I think I'm personally triggered. [00:34:39] Speaker B: That's me. That's me. Yeah, I know that's my own thing. [00:34:43] Speaker A: In reading this, but I was like, he. He is a walking red flag. He does not empower her. He's using her to get, like, credit with this group. So Henri, we should know is. Is cosplaying as part of this, like, whack weirdo group of militia in the town. [00:35:00] Speaker B: I mean, it's really. It was giving cult. Like, they call each other brother, sister, father, and father, which was like, oh, no, I don't like that. [00:35:08] Speaker A: Exactly. And so Henri pulls. He recruits Demi to join this group because he knows that she also wants to protect mortals, but she also wants. What are you laughing so hard about that? We're talking about this. [00:35:22] Speaker B: No, you just said Demi. [00:35:24] Speaker A: Demi? Is that her name? [00:35:25] Speaker B: It's dm. [00:35:26] Speaker A: Dm. Sorry. [00:35:28] Speaker B: No, I know. I was just thinking it was funny because, like, I was like, Demi Moore. [00:35:32] Speaker A: Demi. It's part of mine. Sorry. No, no, no. [00:35:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:35:36] Speaker A: No, thank you so much for that because, you know, I'll call. Something wrong? I know dm. So DM is recruited because she is working in the palace. She's doing all these things, but she recognizes very early that this is like, not the vibe. She doesn't want to be here and it's unsafe. And. Yeah. Henri has gotten her wrapped up in a January take down of the Capitol. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Absolutely. Absolutely. It is giving. January 6th. I mean, I was A little upset with her because like, you know, so she went into that descended house and like she was supposed to find out information, like be a spy a little bit. And there was a little girl, a five year old girl that had like a rash who was going in to treat her. And it's sort of like, how did you not know? I mean, you talked to what's his face, Henri about it and he was like cagey. [00:36:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:28] Speaker B: So how did you not know that they poisoned this little girl? [00:36:31] Speaker A: I think it's just again, being 20 years old and just wanting to trust and love that this boy that you're quote unquote madly in love with is being honest and telling you the truth. [00:36:41] Speaker B: Yeah, but was she madly in love with him? [00:36:43] Speaker A: No, she wasn't. But she couldn't admit that to herself. And everybody else knew it too. [00:36:46] Speaker B: Everybody knew it. [00:36:47] Speaker A: And he kept trying to force marriage on her letter. Like, what in the. I know what in the trash is going on. [00:36:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. He kept like it, like she knew it was coming. And it's like 20 years old, not a child bride. [00:37:01] Speaker A: Lord, even her family knew. They were like, Teller was like, not this. I, I hate to see it for my sister. [00:37:08] Speaker B: Yeah, no, it was, it was not. And he was like a good friend. I think Henri was like a really good friend in the family. [00:37:13] Speaker A: He was. [00:37:14] Speaker B: But. [00:37:14] Speaker A: But I think people know that like something's off. Well, Teller at least knows that something's off. [00:37:19] Speaker B: And like so many people were lying to her. You know, he like, he, she saw the tattoo of the rebellion and he was like, oh no, it's just like honoring the old gods. [00:37:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:30] Speaker B: And then her dad's lying to her. I feel bad for her. [00:37:33] Speaker A: I feel bad for her a lot too. And that fight at the end of the book with her and her dad was so bad. It was so ugly. It's like, I don't know that we can come back from this. To be honest, there were some things that, that were said that you can't necessarily take back. No, no, it was, it was pretty ugly. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah. He kicked her out of the house. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Well, so, okay, so Henri and, and dm and then, and then, should we introduce Luther? [00:37:59] Speaker A: First of all, let me honest with you. I hate, I hate the name. [00:38:04] Speaker B: I hate the name. [00:38:05] Speaker A: You don't know anybody. Sexy name. Luther. The only time you've ever heard Luther is Luther Van Dropped, may he rest in peace. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Okay. [00:38:12] Speaker A: And Martin Luther King Jr. May he rest in peace. Yeah. Luther Vandross is no longer with us, unfortunately. [00:38:17] Speaker B: I mean, it also gives me, like, Lutheran and, you know, I don't. I don't like that. [00:38:23] Speaker A: Yes. And your distaste for religion. [00:38:24] Speaker B: I know you know that about me, and I love it. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I hate the name. Love the man. [00:38:34] Speaker B: Love the character. Love the man. From the. The beginning. [00:38:38] Speaker A: From the very beginning. Yeah. I mean, I think that he could have been very. You could have hated him from the very beginning, totally. But there were some choices made not to make him, like, very non verbal in the very beginning. [00:38:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:38:51] Speaker A: So thankfully, he didn't say any, like, anything that was, like, super regrettable to her. When we first met, he wasn't an. Essentially. Whereas a lot of the characters we've been reading recently, they're jerks throughout the length of the book. And it's like, we don't. We don't have to go through all that up to get here. This guy was, like, very brooding. He was, like, very. He was just very. He was mysterious. He gave, like, a lot of, like, lingering longing looks. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:39:19] Speaker A: I knew what time it was the next day when he came looking for her at her job. [00:39:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:39:24] Speaker A: In real world, if a man showed up at my job looking for me, I'm calling the police. [00:39:28] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Call the coven. What the hell? [00:39:31] Speaker A: No, you don't show up at my place at work. No, no. [00:39:33] Speaker B: How did you find out? [00:39:35] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:39:36] Speaker A: That was for some people, not me. [00:39:38] Speaker B: No, no. [00:39:39] Speaker A: Yeah. But of course, like, in this book, there's only a couple places she can work, and he knows she's on that rainbow row. [00:39:44] Speaker B: Right, Right. No. Was that what it's called? Rainbow. Yeah. Yeah. [00:39:47] Speaker A: Was it? [00:39:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:49] Speaker A: All the colorful ladies and gents down there. [00:39:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Yeah. Well, okay, so here's the thing. One of my favorite scenes with the two of them. [00:39:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:40:00] Speaker B: I have never seen a security search so erotic. I mean, this is not what I'm getting from TSA and O'Hare. [00:40:09] Speaker A: No, it is not what you're getting at O'Hare. You are absolutely getting throttled at O'Hare. Getting yelled at, getting berated. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then you have to go through that thing. But this search, you never cease to. [00:40:24] Speaker A: Have surprised me, Jillian. [00:40:26] Speaker B: You didn't like it. What did you think about it? [00:40:28] Speaker A: It was totally fine. But now I'm picturing you reading it going, oh, my God, I loved it. [00:40:34] Speaker B: I loved it. [00:40:35] Speaker A: It was erotic. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:40:38] Speaker A: It was very. It was very tense. It was tense in that way. [00:40:43] Speaker B: And then she was, like, making these jokes but then he. And he was, like, kind of giving it back to her. It was. It was good. [00:40:49] Speaker A: It was good. And then he found a knife that she definitely wasn't supposed to have, and he let her keep it. And that's when I knew that I was like, this is our man. [00:40:57] Speaker B: This is our man. Yeah. I mean, that's when I sort of got the feeling that he's, like, maybe against the palace in some way. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Yeah, he's definitely against the. [00:41:05] Speaker B: And that he just, like, wants her to be able to defend herself. [00:41:08] Speaker A: I think another sign of something where he's not entirely on the side of the descendant is the fact that he still has this very visible scar on his face, whereas every other descendant are perfect. Their skin is perfect, like, everything, and they heal themselves. Like, things like that can pretty much, like, heal. And I'm like, why is it that he has this very stark scar on his face? Like, what is the story there? Because you don't see any of that kind of stuff. Any blemish. Blemishes on any of the other ascended. [00:41:39] Speaker B: Right. Which I'm not a huge fan of. [00:41:42] Speaker A: No blemishes. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Yeah. No, not necessarily. I need some character. I need some character building the scar. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Though, I will say, like, I changed it in my mind a little bit. It was a little bit much for me. [00:41:55] Speaker A: Just. Just a straight crack down the. [00:41:57] Speaker B: Down the face. You were like, nothing. Like, two. Like, we don't know how far it goes. [00:42:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I've seen some fan art where it's just like. Like, it's, like, straight down the chest. [00:42:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. So I would be okay with, like, a scar. I mean, the scar on the face is, like, a little bit. So I. I honestly, I just have the eyebrow scar. [00:42:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:42:18] Speaker B: Which is actually very sexy. [00:42:19] Speaker A: It's a very sexy thing, you know? Okay. Speaking of, I mentioned Seth Rogen earlier. Another surprising crush that I have is Miles Teller. You don't like him. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Okay. I think he's. I. Yeah, he's a jerk. I think he's a dick. [00:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a jerk. But I am. [00:42:39] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:42:39] Speaker A: Very interested. I. Before learning that he was dick, I was like, I'm actually very attracted to this. This boy. Like, before I learned about being a dick, before I, like, saw his interactions with he and his wife. His wife doesn't seem very nice. Like, they don't seem very nice together. But, like, earlier in his career when he was, like, starting to kind of. I was like, I have a crush on. [00:43:02] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. [00:43:03] Speaker A: And what's interesting about him Is he has scars on his face. [00:43:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:06] Speaker A: From, like, a dog attack from years ago. [00:43:08] Speaker B: Was it a dog attack? [00:43:09] Speaker A: Yeah. That I think are, like, very. I like it because it gives character to a face. You know what I mean? I was kind of picturing that. So sad, though, to have, like, such a stark. [00:43:21] Speaker B: I know, I know. [00:43:23] Speaker A: Scar on the face. You know what I mean? [00:43:24] Speaker B: But they did. I mean, other than that. He was described as like. Like a beautiful man. [00:43:28] Speaker A: He was described as a very hot. Yeah, yeah. I need to look. There was pin. Cole cast him as some man that. I don't know. He was more so giving me, like, Cassian vibes from a court of thorns, which. That's not how I was seeing it. [00:43:46] Speaker B: I see him as we sand more. [00:43:47] Speaker A: Yes, very much. Like, a little bit more sleek. [00:43:50] Speaker B: And. [00:43:51] Speaker A: Yeah. The public was casting him as more like Henry Cavell. Yeah. [00:43:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Which. No, not for me. [00:44:00] Speaker B: No. [00:44:01] Speaker A: No. He's just a little bit too squeaky clean for me. So. Yeah. But love Luther. And what I really liked about Luther, too, was there were all of these moments where it was just like, he absolutely cares about dm. Like, whenever she gets. First of all, there's a vision where the two of them. Them. They have a shared vision and see each other in their vision. That was hot. Really love that. He trusts her to do the things that she wants to do and thinks she can do, which is wonderful. Like, he sends her into that burning building because he knows that she really wants to. He's not going to tell her no. [00:44:33] Speaker B: He's like, okay. [00:44:34] Speaker A: And then he saves her. And as she's coming out of it like these palace. His cousin who, like, you know, takes care of her is like, you know, I'll get her a dress. He's like, pants. She wears pants. [00:44:44] Speaker B: I think she wears. [00:44:45] Speaker A: I was like. Like, that touched me probably more than anything else because I'm like. He's actually paying attention and values the things that she likes. You know what I mean? [00:44:54] Speaker B: In that same scene. So do you think they're bonded? [00:44:56] Speaker A: I do. Because they have all of these moments where they, like, they touch and she feels him. And. [00:45:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, in that moment with the cousin, the cousin was like, why do you care about this girl? And he goes, I think she's my. And then it ends. [00:45:10] Speaker A: Yeah. It cuts out. [00:45:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:11] Speaker A: Yeah. He, like. Sighs. He's like, oh, God. And he knows that she's not all the way mortal, too, because she says something. He's like, do you really? Are you still doing this game? [00:45:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Well. [00:45:23] Speaker B: And, like, What I love about that is, like, sometimes with the bonding, like, when they find out they're bonded or. And I guess they haven't found out they're bonded yet, or she hasn't figured it out, but it's like, it's over. [00:45:34] Speaker A: Then it gives up. This is giving a little bit of a court of mist and fury because Rhysand knew they were bonded, but he didn't say anything. He didn't force it. [00:45:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:42] Speaker A: He let her kind of come to it for sure. [00:45:44] Speaker B: And, you know, I love a Will they, won't they? So I think that that's gonna. I think that's gonna happen for a while. Yeah. [00:45:50] Speaker A: And I loved about this book, too, that, like, there wasn't a lot of. I mean, aside from, you know, their moment in tsa, there wasn't a lot of, like, there wasn't a sex scene between them. They had a moment against, like, a wall out in the garden in by the kingdom. And you did not like it. [00:46:07] Speaker B: I did not like it. I knew you knew. And, I mean, the blood. [00:46:12] Speaker A: I don't even understand how that happened. [00:46:14] Speaker B: I don't understand. But then, like, I. I think it just, like, I, like, didn't, like, didn't pay attention to that because I was like, no. And then. And then it said that, like, she had, like, bloody handprints all over her. And I was like, I don't find blood erotic. [00:46:30] Speaker A: No, I don't either. And they just kept pushing through, and they're. Both of their mouths were bloody. And again, I was like, what's going on here, Christian? [00:46:38] Speaker B: Do you find blood erratic? No. [00:46:39] Speaker A: Not that I didn't take you as a blood man. So glad to know that's the case. [00:46:47] Speaker B: No, seriously, it gives, like, vampire and. Yeah. I mean, it seems like it was just like paint. It was all over. [00:46:54] Speaker A: It was weird. I was like, I don't know that we need this detail. It's not giving me anything. My loins were not. Not aroused. [00:47:02] Speaker B: Not. Not. [00:47:04] Speaker A: They weren't fired up at the thought. I was like, let's go on. Get through this. [00:47:07] Speaker B: I know. I mean, because otherwise it was hot. [00:47:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Women. Very hot. [00:47:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:12] Speaker A: Because it was like. It was almost as though they were trying to. Especially him. He was trying to, like, not. [00:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah. You know. Huh. [00:47:19] Speaker A: But couldn't just help himself, you know, who know is the keeper of the keys and knows everything that's going on, but can't speak the language. So it's just like they're doing whatever. Sarai. The. [00:47:29] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. For sure. The griver and she knows exactly what's going on. [00:47:35] Speaker A: As soon as DM showed up, Sarai was like, it's going down. This is my girl right here. [00:47:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:47:43] Speaker A: And nobody's, like, picking up the signs. Sa is usually over, eating snacks, minding her own business, and now she's, like, busy, like, circling the castle, acting out and people. Mora, the other healer, never does this. What's going on? [00:47:59] Speaker B: I think Luther probably knows. Like, he knows she knows, and he knows what's going on. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:04] Speaker B: You know? Yeah. [00:48:05] Speaker A: But I. More of Sarah. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Oh, totally. Yeah. I was, like, very confused, though, when I was trying to imagine with the. [00:48:13] Speaker A: It's the sea creature head that's throwing me off. [00:48:15] Speaker B: The sea creature, then the lion body, then the eagle claws. I mean, that was. [00:48:20] Speaker A: No, yeah, it's not. The sea creature head is. Is what's throwing me off. I can't. It's giving eel. And I just don't. I don't think a creature is regal as Sarai would have. [00:48:31] Speaker B: No, I mean. And the e. The eagle is throwing. I hate eagles, you know? [00:48:35] Speaker A: Wow. Your disdain for religion in America is strong. [00:48:41] Speaker B: It is very strong. I don't like elephants either. [00:48:45] Speaker A: Really? [00:48:45] Speaker B: I mean, I love them, but, like. No, I don't like elephants. Yeah, well, because of. It's like a. It's the Republican. [00:48:53] Speaker A: Okay. Well, no, I'm not thinking about that. I'm thinking about those sweet baby animals. Oh, they're so smart. And they. They paint. [00:49:00] Speaker B: They remember. They paint. Yeah. [00:49:02] Speaker A: They didn't ask to be an icon for hate. [00:49:05] Speaker B: I. I know, but we get the donkey. [00:49:08] Speaker A: I know. That's no better. [00:49:09] Speaker B: No, no. [00:49:10] Speaker A: Like, let's let go of all iconography for the parties and reclaim elephants for ourselves. [00:49:16] Speaker B: I love it. Yeah. Or just, like, make a different one. [00:49:19] Speaker A: I'm not going to stand for elephant slander in this. In this dancery tonight. [00:49:24] Speaker B: No, I'm sorry. I just. It's honestly like, more like when it's on a pattern of something. Like, I've never bought elephants as, like, you know, all those, like, little baby clothes have elephants. Nope. [00:49:37] Speaker A: Really? [00:49:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Nope. [00:49:38] Speaker A: That's so interesting. I know that you're like, absolutely not. Fuck not. [00:49:42] Speaker B: Get that out of here. That baby better not be, like, Seem like they're Republican. Yeah. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:49:49] Speaker B: Can you imagine? I know. It goes pretty deep. I know. I don't like eagles. I don't like elephants. What else do I not like? [00:49:57] Speaker A: Everything. [00:49:58] Speaker B: I mean, monster truck. Truck. [00:50:02] Speaker A: Yeah. You don't like trucks. [00:50:04] Speaker B: I hate trucks. [00:50:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:06] Speaker B: What else is, like, a symbol that I hate? [00:50:11] Speaker A: I'm surprised we're even friends. Me being from the South, I'm surprised you're even tolerating me. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Oh, no. Oh, no. You're completely different. Completely. [00:50:20] Speaker A: You're, like, not. Not that stereotype. [00:50:22] Speaker B: No. No. Oh, my God. Well, yeah. I've got some things to work through. [00:50:29] Speaker A: We can work through them slowly but surely. Yes. Yeah. I love. I'm excited about this relationship. [00:50:37] Speaker B: I am, too. [00:50:38] Speaker A: I'm excited to see it evolve in the next few books. Like I told you, the girls online are saying that it is a slow burn, for sure. [00:50:46] Speaker B: I love it. [00:50:47] Speaker A: Give me more of that. [00:50:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, the thing with that is, like, there's not a lot of. There's not a lot of smut with that. But I think that, like, if, you know, she's creative, she could be, like, the push and pull, you know? But we're. [00:51:03] Speaker A: I mean, we've talked about it. That's what we kind of live for is the will. They won't. They're the push the pool as soon as they get together. And I realize I am very much in the market for a new therapist, so bear with me to understand my issues. But my whole thing is, like, once people get together, I'm so bored. [00:51:20] Speaker B: It's done. [00:51:21] Speaker A: This is yesterday's news. And I also don't really love. And maybe it were eight. I know it works for other people when they're, like, slamming each other home to take a page from your book. Every other chapter or not every other chapter. Every other page. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Every other page. [00:51:36] Speaker A: It's like, come up for air, and. [00:51:38] Speaker B: They see each other all the time. Like, I really like the. So I was thinking about this as, like, Austinian in a little bit. In a little way. So Jane Austen. This book is, like, giving me a little bit of Pride and Prejudice and. Because there's, like, the little sister involved, and that's. That's involved in Pride and Prejudice. But I like the, like, long periods of, like, not even him or her not even seeing him, and then he just shows up, leans against the wall. I mean, it would be perfect if he was smoking a cigarette, but. Or eating. Eating a bagel. [00:52:14] Speaker A: And that is where the fantasy dies for me. You're like, I just want to see that jaw working. I want to see that. I want to see that Adam's apple just popping up and down. [00:52:26] Speaker B: I just want to see, like, a. Like a chomp into a bagel. [00:52:30] Speaker A: You love you. You live for Brad Pitt eating. What. What movie? [00:52:36] Speaker B: What was. What is it? 11th? No. Ocean's 11. [00:52:41] Speaker A: 11. [00:52:43] Speaker B: And then George. Oh, my God, that movie. Yeah, but he would just come out of the shadows like eating something. [00:52:49] Speaker A: And this is such an uber specific fantasy of yours. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:52:56] Speaker A: I want you, okay? I want to role play and I want you to just show up out of nowhere, across the room and just lean against the wall and just buy into a calzone. [00:53:07] Speaker B: Stop. No, not a calzone. But like, I'm telling you, even a hot dog. Honestly, Jillian, even a calzone is decidedly. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Hotter than a hot dog. What in God's name is going on? [00:53:23] Speaker B: Even a hot dog, Jillian. Not a burger, though I will say, not even a burger. I don't know why, but it's too American. [00:53:32] Speaker A: A hot dog. I think there's nothing more American than a hot dog. [00:53:37] Speaker B: No. Yeah. I don't know. It's something with a hot dog. [00:53:42] Speaker A: Are you picturing a Chicago style hot dog? [00:53:45] Speaker B: Yeah, probably. [00:53:46] Speaker A: God, no. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:53:48] Speaker A: You know, I can't take the chaos of a Chicago hot dog. [00:53:50] Speaker B: I know. Have you had one? [00:53:54] Speaker A: I'm not busting down doors to have one. You know what I mean? Like I've told you, we went somewhere and they gave me a hot dog. Hot dog on a poppy seed bun. And you about looked at me like I had eight heads because I grabbed ketchup packets. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Oh, God. We went to a cub skin. Wasn't that. [00:54:09] Speaker A: No, it was. We went to an outdoor movie and you. And I grabbed ketchup packets and you were like, deidre, you will. They will skin you here for this. And I was like, I wasn't raised like this. This is not how we eat hot dogs where I'm from. You got. You got pickles on here. You got tomatoes. What's going on? [00:54:27] Speaker B: I mean, it's unhinged. [00:54:29] Speaker A: It's unhinged. [00:54:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Who came up with that? [00:54:32] Speaker A: I don't know. Somebody unhinged. Along with Malort, which I still haven't done. I haven't done my Chicago rites of passage. [00:54:39] Speaker B: Don't do malort. I mean, honestly, don't do malort. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Christian, should I do Malort? I don't think so. Okay. It's really bad. It's really bad. [00:54:46] Speaker B: There was a time in my life where it was like, every time we went out, it was like, let's do a shot of Malorte. And I'm like, no, I'm not doing that. [00:54:54] Speaker A: Who were you before you met me? [00:54:55] Speaker B: I know. I had so many different laughs. Lives. [00:54:59] Speaker A: Yeah. You're just out here drinking the Lord doing God knows what. [00:55:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:55:04] Speaker A: Seriously. Okay. Well, this summer, I'm going to have to just do. I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and do a Chicago hot dog. I can't say that I will find a man equally as attractive eating a Chicago hot dog. That is. That is you and your journey and your fantasy. But I'm gonna try it. [00:55:20] Speaker B: I know that's very specific, but it is hot. [00:55:26] Speaker A: I'm gonna leave you with that. [00:55:28] Speaker B: I'm gonna do that. [00:55:29] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. And then without giving away. I mean, we kind of talked about it earlier, but DM realizes the path that she paid for herself. [00:55:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Or. Or the path that was paid for her, I should say, by others, isn't necessarily the one that she wants to take. And that carving out her own future is worth the risk. We love that. [00:55:46] Speaker B: We love that. Yeah. [00:55:48] Speaker A: Is there anything else? I mean, you know, we're trying to keep it high level. [00:55:51] Speaker B: High level? Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I mean, absolutely. At the end, when she's made into a queen, she's made into the queen that she was. [00:55:59] Speaker A: I loved it. [00:56:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:00] Speaker A: It seemed like a very cool scene. [00:56:02] Speaker B: Could you tell? Like, did you see that coming? [00:56:05] Speaker A: Yes. [00:56:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw it, too. [00:56:06] Speaker A: I saw it coming. There was just too much going on, first of all. And she's got this inner voice that seems like its own sentient being that keeps telling her to fight throughout the book. And I'm like, it's telling you to wake up to your power. [00:56:17] Speaker B: Your power. You know, that could be. Right. That could be part of her being a queen. But I honestly was like. Sometimes I was like, is that Luther either? [00:56:26] Speaker A: It could be. It could be. You're touching on something. You're touching on something good. I also thought that it was interesting that, like, whenever. Like, the. I think the woman in the. In the alley in the first of the book that, like, tells her to stop taking the medicine and then starts, like, kind of speaking to who she is a little bit. She starts speaking about, like, the forgotten. She, like, starts speaking in, like, these very, like, ancient, like, old ways about, like, the forgotten and whatever. [00:56:53] Speaker B: The daughter of the forgotten. [00:56:54] Speaker A: The daughter of the forgotten. And then in the. In the king's chamber, right as he's dying, and DM does that prayer over him, like the old God's prayer, like, the old. Like, she's not supposed to be saying that. Yeah. Because they don't believe in those gods. He, like, sits up and starts talking about, like, the forgotten and, like, something that's, like, very ancient almost. So I almost think that, like, she's something that, like, People haven't seen in a long time. Like, there's something going on with her that's, like, very different than, like, the rest of the descended that we see. There's something ancient there, and there's. [00:57:28] Speaker B: Like, in the book, there was something about the Umbros. [00:57:34] Speaker A: Which. [00:57:35] Speaker B: Was it Ambrose? Because I definitely wore those shorts. I can see the logo in 1994. [00:57:41] Speaker A: Yes. [00:57:42] Speaker B: Anyway, in Umbros, was it Umbros or Ambrose? [00:57:48] Speaker A: Let's see. So Amerian is the. Is the continent. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:57:52] Speaker A: And there's realms within. It's a Marian, and there's Lumnos. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Okay. [00:57:57] Speaker A: Is that what you're talking about? [00:57:59] Speaker B: No, I'm talking about the. The place where people would go to, basically. Like, criminals would go there. [00:58:06] Speaker A: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Let me just make sure, because I'm looking at. Does she put it here? She doesn't talk about. Oh, Umbros. Yeah. The realm of mind and secret. [00:58:16] Speaker B: Yeah, there's something. There was some mention of, like, there's a queen there, and then she had a descendant who, like, nobod knows what it is. Something about that. [00:58:25] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. So there's something. There's something going on with her that I think is very different than anything that anybody else has going on, which. [00:58:33] Speaker B: You know, all these books are like, it has to be different for you. She has to be different. [00:58:37] Speaker A: She has to be different. And I also thought that it was interesting that when it comes to royalty in this book, it doesn't go to, like, the first in line through blood. It goes to the strongest. [00:58:46] Speaker B: Love that. [00:58:47] Speaker A: Yeah, that was great. I'm like, well, that's fair. Yeah, let's do that. [00:58:50] Speaker B: No, totally. And because she even mentioned that maybe the king had, like, kids and grandkids, but he had, like, a really good relationship with Luther. [00:58:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:59] Speaker B: His nephew. Yeah. Okay, so here's one thing about Luther I don't like that the magic comes out of his hands. Like, he does, like, a. Like, palms up and the magic comes out of that. [00:59:11] Speaker A: You like a man who has his hands in his pockets and the shadows are just swirling. [00:59:14] Speaker B: Yes. Leaning against. Leaning against a doorway. Absolutely. And just watching his magic not win. [00:59:22] Speaker A: They can't win. They're like, they need to be standing there eating a hot dog with shadows swirling around them, acting very aloof. [00:59:30] Speaker B: It's so. Oh, my God. Let's talk about this. [00:59:35] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:59:36] Speaker B: Huh? [00:59:37] Speaker A: I think you need to write all of this down and take this into Margie. Yeah, take it into her. She'll know what to do. Yeah, she'll Know what to do with this? Yeah, she'll go. I. I have just the thing. [00:59:47] Speaker B: She's on vacation right now. I mean, God bless it. Yeah. She went to Mexico City. [00:59:51] Speaker A: Good for her. I'm sure she's having a good time down there. [00:59:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:59:55] Speaker A: That place is amazing. [00:59:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:57] Speaker A: God, yeah. Yeah. I'm seeing the vision. [01:00:02] Speaker B: You are seeing the vision. [01:00:03] Speaker A: I mean, I didn't even think about him, like, releasing magic from his hands. [01:00:08] Speaker B: There's something like X Men about it. [01:00:10] Speaker A: Giving you Spider Man. [01:00:11] Speaker B: Spider Man. [01:00:12] Speaker A: And you don't like Spider Man. [01:00:13] Speaker B: I love Daniel Garfield. [01:00:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Tom Holland. Were you Tom Holland? [01:00:18] Speaker B: God, yeah. [01:00:20] Speaker A: I was not a Tobey Maguire, Spider man girl. [01:00:22] Speaker B: No. I did love Krista Dunst in it, but Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield are. They were it. Yeah. [01:00:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I see it. [01:00:32] Speaker B: That's good. [01:00:33] Speaker A: I didn't think anything about his. His magic coming out of his hands, but. [01:00:37] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it just was like. It was totally giving Spider Man. You're right. Yeah. [01:00:42] Speaker A: It's all right. [01:00:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I don't like it. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Not for you. [01:00:47] Speaker B: Not for me. Yeah. [01:00:48] Speaker A: I respect it. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Huh. It needs to be, like, something that, like, is just coming from his mind. [01:00:54] Speaker A: I feel that it's, like, effortless. Like, nobody can see it coming when you're. It's for whatever reason it gives you the ick when it has to put too much, like, actual muscle behind exerting his magic. [01:01:04] Speaker B: I know. It's because I, like, would rather him use his mind. Yeah. [01:01:09] Speaker A: Yep. [01:01:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And be eating. Eating a bagel. [01:01:12] Speaker A: Eating a bagel. Acting like he's not paying attention to what's going on. And meanwhile, things are just happening, but. [01:01:16] Speaker B: Also just looking at her. You know what I mean? That. Like that fire before the fire, the. [01:01:21] Speaker A: Long list of needs for looking at her eating a hot dog, shadow swirling, people getting absolutely decimated all around him without him trying and him looking absolutely bored. You love it. [01:01:35] Speaker B: I love it. Yeah. And telling jokes. [01:01:38] Speaker A: All right. [01:01:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:42] Speaker A: All right. [01:01:43] Speaker B: Laughing at her. Laughing at her. Telling jokes. [01:01:45] Speaker A: Yeah. That's good. I. I appreciate that. Yeah. Okay, so ultimately, you love this book. Did you have a book hangover or was this. [01:01:54] Speaker B: No, I had a book hangover for sure. Yeah. [01:01:57] Speaker A: Book hangover, too. [01:01:58] Speaker B: I know. [01:01:58] Speaker A: I can't wait to get back. I need another hit. [01:02:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So I did start reading, like, a little bit. [01:02:03] Speaker A: Okay. [01:02:04] Speaker B: And I, like, also read the. The jacket for the. Well, you know, the jacket over the Internet. [01:02:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:12] Speaker B: And it basically was, like, talking about. I don't want to spoil it, but like, that. Oh, no. Lily did Talk about, like, how somebody can challenge it. [01:02:22] Speaker A: No, I don't. I don't remember that very specific detail. [01:02:26] Speaker B: But okay, so anyway, somebody can challenge it. [01:02:30] Speaker A: Okay. [01:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. [01:02:32] Speaker A: People are gonna be coming at our girl. I know they are. [01:02:34] Speaker B: I know. I know. [01:02:35] Speaker A: They're gonna be like, who the hell is this? [01:02:37] Speaker B: What I don't want is her to be staying in the palace. I don't know. There's something about that. [01:02:42] Speaker A: You want her on the marsh? [01:02:44] Speaker B: No, I want her in that cabin, and I want him just to show up. [01:02:50] Speaker A: Jillian. [01:02:53] Speaker B: We'Re learning a lot about me. [01:02:56] Speaker A: What cabin? [01:02:58] Speaker B: Oh, did not. Oh. I thought Lily said, like, oh, I'm gonna take you to my family's cabin. She's gonna go and paint all over the cabin, like Feyre. Yeah. Wait, was that not in that book? [01:03:11] Speaker A: I don't know. Maybe I just didn't pick up on the fact that it was the cabin. I thought that Luther took her to, like, some sort of different part of the castle. Because, like, she then left that room and then went to the king's. The king's boat. I thought the king's room. To help. [01:03:26] Speaker B: Because he said, no, no, no. So this is in the end, when she came. Gets the. When she has the crown over her head. And Lily, she was like, what am I going to do? And Lily was like, I'll take you to my family's cabinet. [01:03:37] Speaker A: That's in this new book. Then this has to be in the new book, because in the first book, it's just. It ends with the crown coming on her head. That's. And then it cuts to the epilogue. [01:03:47] Speaker B: Okay. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Okay. [01:03:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:03:49] Speaker A: So we don't see. We don't see Lily again at the. At the end of the first book. [01:03:53] Speaker B: You know what? I think Lily's gonna play a bigger role in this next book. [01:03:56] Speaker A: I hope so. [01:03:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I like hers. Sweet. Yeah. [01:03:59] Speaker A: You must have read a lot. [01:04:01] Speaker B: I know I did. I honestly, I think I read, like, the first chapter, but there was a lot there. [01:04:05] Speaker A: Okay. [01:04:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? Should we play mash? [01:04:11] Speaker A: Okay. Yes. So because this book did not have a lot of smut in it, we can't do what was quickly turning into a fun and favorite game of ours, which was Dirty Dozen. So I'm gonna spare Gillian the humiliation of having to read about and his cock sprang forth or something of similar this week. And we're gonna play a 90s classic game, something that I would spend many afternoons doing in 1997. 1998, until I absolutely got the future that I Wanted. [01:04:41] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [01:04:42] Speaker A: And that is just a simple game called mash. So all our millennial girlies will know this. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:04:49] Speaker A: So basically how this will work is MASH goes across the top of our playing card here that I keep control of. M stands for mansion. A stands for apartment. S it for in my neck of the woods stands for shack. My understanding is that for many of you, it means street. [01:05:06] Speaker B: Okay. [01:05:07] Speaker A: It means the streets. What does it mean for you, Shed? [01:05:10] Speaker B: I think it probably was shack. And I'm just like, this is. [01:05:13] Speaker A: It seems like a regional. It seems like a regional preference. [01:05:16] Speaker B: Oh, totally. [01:05:18] Speaker A: And then H stands for house. [01:05:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, so just one question. [01:05:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:23] Speaker B: Do you remember who you wanted the boy to be in when you were playing in 1997? [01:05:30] Speaker A: Some ugly boy that sat next to me in choir in second grade. [01:05:33] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:05:33] Speaker A: I think his name was Eric Parker. [01:05:35] Speaker B: Mine was. God, I can't remember his name, but he was from England in fifth grade and he had an accent. And all the girls. We're obsessed. [01:05:45] Speaker A: I love this. [01:05:46] Speaker B: So is him. [01:05:47] Speaker A: I love this. Barrington Lore. Thanks for going town. We have international students in Illinois. [01:05:54] Speaker B: Yep. [01:05:54] Speaker A: I love it. Okay, so I'm going to write out our game board here. I've got mash. And we're going to also have different categories where basically our categories are going to be different boys, jobs, powers. Keeping it in line with this genre. Books, pets. And then we'll have different numbers that will correspond to children. Yeah. [01:06:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:17] Speaker A: Okay. So under boys, Jillian, I am going to go ahead and pre populate Luther, but I need the names of three other boys. [01:06:27] Speaker B: Okay. [01:06:28] Speaker A: I'm regretting this already. Go ahead. [01:06:32] Speaker B: First one. And we talked about him recently. Martin Short. [01:06:37] Speaker A: Excuse me? We talked about Martin Short. [01:06:41] Speaker B: Yes, we did. [01:06:42] Speaker A: Okay. I'm sorry, I was thinking of. I was thinking of Martin Sheen, then Charlie Sheen. [01:06:48] Speaker B: No. God, no. Martin Short. Meryl Streep's love. [01:06:51] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. I love it. [01:06:52] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. I don't think it has to be explained. Right. [01:06:55] Speaker A: I think for some people, maybe in a little explanation would be helpful. I get it. He's a short, funny king. [01:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah, Right? [01:07:02] Speaker A: Love it. Right? [01:07:03] Speaker B: I mean, I just love him. Yeah. [01:07:05] Speaker A: Okay. [01:07:06] Speaker B: Meryl is like. She can't choose anything that is not, like, just the most amazing. Okay. So anyway. Okay. What else? [01:07:17] Speaker A: I need two more names for boys. [01:07:19] Speaker B: Lucien with his worrying eye. Okay. So Lucien is from Acotar. [01:07:27] Speaker A: Yes. [01:07:28] Speaker B: And he. But I mean, his eyes got to whir the whole time. [01:07:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's a kink of yours. You like? [01:07:34] Speaker B: No. [01:07:36] Speaker A: Yeah. I thought you said it's got a word the whole time. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Well, for sure, but this is just the character. Okay, but this is not a kink of mine. Yeah. [01:07:43] Speaker A: Okay. Glad that folks know that anything that's ocular degeneration or whatever else that's going on. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:51] Speaker A: Not, not, not your alley. [01:07:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:53] Speaker A: Okay. [01:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, next one. And this is pretty amazing. Okay, so it would be Jeff Goldblum or Jon Bailey, depending on your needs. So every day it could be different. [01:08:10] Speaker A: Okay. So he's kind of a magical creature. [01:08:13] Speaker B: A magical creature. So if you need some sage wisdom from an over 70 man, that's Jeff Goldblum. [01:08:19] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:20] Speaker B: But if you need Jonathan Bailey, that's Jonathan Bailey. [01:08:23] Speaker A: Okay, I love that. Okay, let me just make a note here of depending on your needs. I think that's an important distinction. [01:08:31] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:08:32] Speaker A: Okay, jobs. Okay. I'm gonna start you off here with healer, which is the job of DM in this book. So that's gonna go ahead and be pre populated. [01:08:42] Speaker B: Okay. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Okay. And so I need three more jobs. [01:08:44] Speaker B: Okay. So I thought gynecologist. [01:08:46] Speaker A: Great. [01:08:46] Speaker B: I think the girls need, need one. Especially if boys are out here not using contraceptives. [01:08:51] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. And DM and Moira, they are not well tasked with taking care of all that. [01:08:57] Speaker B: No. Now, okay, so this next one is a little silly. Do it. Okay, so one time I saw this advertise, I can't tell you where, but this person would get paid to go and make a couple pasta dinner and then hide in a closet and watch them have sex. [01:09:17] Speaker A: What? [01:09:19] Speaker B: I can't tell you where I saw it. I might have made it up, I don't know. But that would be a job. [01:09:25] Speaker A: Is this a dream? [01:09:26] Speaker B: No. I mean, mean, I don't know, they're like, they're supposed to sit in the cut. [01:09:31] Speaker A: Pasta sex voyer is. You want me to jot that down here as a, as a occupation. Pasta sex voyeurism. [01:09:38] Speaker B: So the other one I had is professional cuddler. Do you know that that's a thing. [01:09:43] Speaker A: Get Margie on the phone. [01:09:45] Speaker B: That's a, that's the thing. I swear to God, my brother, I think at one point in his life tried to possibly. [01:09:52] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no, kidding, kidding. [01:09:55] Speaker B: No, no, no. The professional cuddler. Yeah. No, he was like. That was an like aspiration of his. [01:10:01] Speaker A: Oh God. Okay, okay, so professional cuddler and pasta. [01:10:05] Speaker B: Sex voyeur and gynecologist. [01:10:09] Speaker A: Absolutely, we've got that. Okay. Powers. [01:10:14] Speaker B: Okay, you go ahead. [01:10:16] Speaker A: I'm just gonna say wielding shadows. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. No, I outdid Myself. Let's do it. I mean, it was a shower thought, and I was like, this is the best. [01:10:29] Speaker A: Okay. [01:10:29] Speaker B: Okay. So the ability at any moment to turn someone back into themselves as a baby. [01:10:39] Speaker A: Interesting. Okay. [01:10:41] Speaker B: Like, it could be, like, at any point, you'd be arguing with them, and then you're like, snap your fingers and they're like a newborn baby. [01:10:48] Speaker A: Okay. [01:10:51] Speaker B: Is that amazing or what? [01:10:53] Speaker A: It's not for me. It's not my preferred power, but I see the vision. [01:10:58] Speaker B: Love it, Love it. Next one. Really, really good at creating PowerPoint presentations. [01:11:05] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:07] Speaker B: Like, it makes people cry. [01:11:08] Speaker A: Okay, got it. [01:11:10] Speaker B: Next one. [01:11:11] Speaker A: Yep. [01:11:12] Speaker B: And this one's just pretty. You can read people's intentions. [01:11:15] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:16] Speaker B: Which is just like having high eq. [01:11:20] Speaker A: All right. [01:11:21] Speaker B: You know? [01:11:21] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. We need that in this world. Okay, pets, I'm starting you off with Sarai. [01:11:30] Speaker B: Okay. This one, I'm going to do a call back. [01:11:34] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:35] Speaker B: We're going to do Clifford the Big Red Dog. Okay. [01:11:38] Speaker A: Nothing wrong with that. [01:11:40] Speaker B: And then just Luna and Birdie. I know, I know. [01:11:45] Speaker A: My little girl making a cameo. [01:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:47] Speaker A: Okay, I need four numbers. [01:11:50] Speaker B: Okay. Zero, row. [01:11:51] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:52] Speaker B: Three, 10. [01:11:54] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:54] Speaker B: 67. [01:11:55] Speaker A: Okay. [01:11:56] Speaker B: That's a lot of kids. [01:11:57] Speaker A: Okay, so now we have filled out our board, and the way that I do it, I start with H and I go counterclockwise, basically. [01:12:06] Speaker B: Okay. [01:12:06] Speaker A: Okay. Just to lay that out for you. And so basically, what I'm gonna do now, I'm going to start creating a swirl, and you need to tell me when to stop. And when you tell me to stop, I will count the amount of rings that you have, and that will be the amount of times I go through the playing board, and when I land on that number, I cross out whatever. Whatever answer. [01:12:29] Speaker B: I don't remember doing this. I don't know how I did it, but this is not the way. [01:12:33] Speaker A: This is the American way. This is the American way. Or you could have done, like, dots. Some people did dots. But really, it's like, once, like, let's say you. I stop at 10, I would go, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And gynecologists would be knocked out. Oh. And then I start again at the next. [01:12:53] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:12:54] Speaker A: Until I. Until there's only one answer in each category left. [01:12:58] Speaker B: Okay. [01:12:59] Speaker A: And then that is your. That is your. That's me. Yeah. That is your future. [01:13:03] Speaker B: My fate. [01:13:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:04] Speaker B: Okay. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Also, let me just ask this. So we said mansion, apartment, shack and house. Keeping it with the theme of this book. Where can you tell me, where is the mansion? Like, what Realm. Is the mansion in. Is it in Limnos? Is it Lunos? [01:13:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it's in Lunos. Yeah. [01:13:18] Speaker A: What about the apartment? [01:13:19] Speaker B: That's an umbros. Umbros. [01:13:21] Speaker A: I'm. I'm so glad that you have thought about this. [01:13:23] Speaker B: That's in the. [01:13:24] Speaker A: A shady. A shady apartment to get away to. Where's the shack? [01:13:28] Speaker B: The shack's in the mortal city. [01:13:29] Speaker A: Okay. Love. That makes sense. [01:13:32] Speaker B: And then the house. Let's say fortos. [01:13:35] Speaker A: Okay. [01:13:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. [01:13:37] Speaker A: Okay, so I'm going to start my swirls. You tell me when to. When to stop. [01:13:40] Speaker B: Okay. Stop. [01:13:44] Speaker A: Okay, so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. So 7. Okay, so starting out. House, 1. Shack, apartment, mansion. 4, 5, 6, 7. Lucian is out. [01:14:01] Speaker B: Lucian is out. That marine eye. I mean, it's probably a good thing. [01:14:06] Speaker A: Power to turn somebody to a baby is gone. Can't say I'm sad to see that go. Let's go. One, two, Birdie. [01:14:14] Speaker B: That sucks. [01:14:14] Speaker A: One, two, three, four, five. [01:14:16] Speaker B: Bird's out. [01:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Mansion out. Pasta sex. Boyer, out. No, kids out. [01:14:27] Speaker B: Oh, no. Oh, my God. If I end up with 67 children. [01:14:31] Speaker A: Luther's out. [01:14:33] Speaker B: No. [01:14:35] Speaker A: PowerPoint extraordinaire. Out. [01:14:36] Speaker B: Oh, man. [01:14:40] Speaker A: Sarai out. Gynecologist, out. [01:14:45] Speaker B: Out. Oh, no. It. They really needed that. [01:14:49] Speaker A: Luna out. Clipper. The big red dog. It is, but I'm just gonna. I'm gonna hold on telling you anything else. Okay. [01:14:54] Speaker B: Okay. I love this, by the way. [01:14:58] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Oh, me too. This is. This is like my life. [01:15:05] Speaker B: By the way. You can't see it, but she has a gold pen with a. Like, a fluff at the end. [01:15:15] Speaker A: It is giving Cher Horowitz in the 1995 classic Clueless. [01:15:19] Speaker B: Oh, my God, was that her last name? I don't forgot about that. [01:15:28] Speaker A: This isn't shaping up to be too bad. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Really. [01:15:30] Speaker A: No. Hold on. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. No, not too bad. All right. Okay, Jillian, here we go. Here's your fave. [01:15:41] Speaker B: Okay. [01:15:41] Speaker A: You will have an apartment in Umbros. Be married to Martin Short. [01:15:46] Speaker B: Oh, God, yes. [01:15:47] Speaker A: Work as a healer. Your powers will be reading intentions. [01:15:52] Speaker B: Oh. [01:15:53] Speaker A: You'll have Clifford the Big Red dog as a pet. [01:15:56] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [01:15:56] Speaker A: And you'll have three children. [01:15:58] Speaker B: I would die. I would die. [01:16:01] Speaker A: That's a lovely face. [01:16:02] Speaker B: Yes. I mean, not the kids, but like, the Clifford the Red. Big red dog. I mean, I need something that's, like, bigger because Martin Short's pretty small. I don't know if that makes any sense. It probably doesn't. [01:16:15] Speaker A: We love it. We love it. A balance. A balance. But like small man, big dog. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. [01:16:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Wait, what's the other one? Okay, so I'm a healer. [01:16:27] Speaker A: Yeah, healer. [01:16:28] Speaker B: Love it. I am kind of a healer. [01:16:30] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. [01:16:31] Speaker B: Yeah, you are. [01:16:33] Speaker A: You're putting those things to use. You're just. Now you're just getting some tinctures. You're getting a little bit of willow bark going. It's great. [01:16:39] Speaker B: Honestly, this makes sense. I read intentions and I'm a healer. [01:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:44] Speaker B: Wow. [01:16:45] Speaker A: And I, like. I'm telling you, I can read fates over here. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Okay, so are we going to do it for you or no? [01:16:51] Speaker A: So we're not going to do it for me this time because I think in terms of time constraints, we'll. We won't do it for me this week, but I think we should definitely play it again next week. [01:16:59] Speaker B: Well, okay. So do me a favor and say what you would want it to be for me. Yeah. [01:17:05] Speaker A: Okay. Definitely. A mansion in Lumnos. Married to. With your options. With your options. [01:17:11] Speaker B: Yes. [01:17:12] Speaker A: Married to Lumnos. With. I'm gonna do. You know, I'm telling you right now, John Jonathan. [01:17:18] Speaker B: I knew you. [01:17:19] Speaker A: Or Jeff Goldblum and Jonathan Bailey. That kind of hybrid situation. I don't hate. Hate it. I'm gonna go with Luther. [01:17:25] Speaker B: Oh, God. Okay. [01:17:26] Speaker A: And I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be a healer, too. [01:17:29] Speaker B: Okay. [01:17:30] Speaker A: I would say wielding shadows. [01:17:32] Speaker B: Okay. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Zero kids. You ask me about that. [01:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:36] Speaker A: Birdie and Birdie. [01:17:39] Speaker B: Oh, man, that'd be my. [01:17:41] Speaker A: That'd be my life. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:42] Speaker A: Can you imagine Birdie just running around that little kingdom all the time? [01:17:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Like the fox in Quicksilver. [01:17:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker A: She would make a home out of it. That. But I think. I think your apartment in Umbros. In Shady Umbros. Spies and Assassins. [01:17:56] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. [01:17:57] Speaker A: With Martin Short, Clifford the Big Red Dog, your three kids, being a healer and reading intentions. [01:18:03] Speaker B: God, I love Martin Short. I'm telling you. [01:18:06] Speaker A: I think you would probably neglect your kids for the love of Martin Short. [01:18:10] Speaker B: I would. I would. Oh, man, he is a king. [01:18:14] Speaker A: He's such a. Such a king. Yeah. Well, perfect. I don't even think in terms of questions or theories this week. Are. Are we doing any of those? I think we can. I don't really have. I mean, there's still a lot of questions that remain because we're on book one of the four book series. [01:18:33] Speaker B: We kind of went through some of the questions just when we were doing the book report. I have a couple more. [01:18:38] Speaker A: Okay. So this is a little bit of conspiracy corner. [01:18:41] Speaker B: Yes. A little bit of theories. Or shorten questions. Yeah. So I. My question was, what is the deal with DM and that security guard outside the Rebellion Bar? [01:18:54] Speaker A: There's something weird. [01:18:55] Speaker B: There's something going on. I mean, I, for a second was like, maybe it's Luther and he's just like a changeling. [01:19:02] Speaker A: You're having really good theories. [01:19:04] Speaker B: I am. I know. [01:19:05] Speaker A: That's a really good question. Because it does linger a long time, doesn't it? And he knows about the. He knows about the guard. [01:19:14] Speaker B: They, like, joke with each other. And, I mean, it's giving Luther for sure. [01:19:20] Speaker A: Okay. Put a pin in that. Put a pin in that. Put a pin in our cork board where we keep all of our conspiracy theories and we, like, track them all and we connect them all with red string. [01:19:29] Speaker B: Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Just like that picture of Charlie Day. [01:19:33] Speaker A: That's what I'm envisioning. Yeah. [01:19:35] Speaker B: Okay. I mean, and then basically, like, who's the fight voice? [01:19:41] Speaker A: Like, you think it could be Luther, too? [01:19:42] Speaker B: I think it could be Luther. I think all of this just, like, comes back to Luther eating a bagel. [01:19:48] Speaker A: Okay. [01:19:49] Speaker B: What's going on with the battlefield memory? [01:19:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:54] Speaker B: They have to be bonded. Right. And did Luther know that she was going to be made queen? And where's her mother been? How does her. Why does her dad know? Because the dad, I think, knows where the mom has been. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. He got really upset about that. Yeah. Yes. And I am. I completely agree with all of those questions. I need to understand what is going to happen with the mother. Like, what's the deal? Like, what is truly the deal? I have to be honest with you. I'm very fearful for the fate of Teller. Something tells me something doesn't feel right. He's too pure for this world. You know what I mean? Yeah. [01:20:33] Speaker B: Honestly, though, I think that the dad would be killed before him. [01:20:36] Speaker A: Do you think so? [01:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I think. Think so. [01:20:39] Speaker A: I don't know. I can't. I can't trust anything. Anybody that's too good. They just get them out of here. And I don't want that to happen. Something either, I think, either with Teller himself or Lily. Yeah, something. [01:20:51] Speaker B: Something tragic. [01:20:52] Speaker A: I don't know. But hopefully not. I don't know. You can wish. [01:20:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:56] Speaker A: I need to understand. Okay. Something's going to come back around with that healer that knows that Demi or DM is in the group Guardians. [01:21:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. The intern or the trainee? [01:21:07] Speaker A: Yeah, the trainee. Something's going to come out of that. We also are going to see that other descendant again who threatened DM in the mortal City. Who killed the. The little boy and his mother. [01:21:18] Speaker B: I thought he. I thought she killed him. [01:21:20] Speaker A: When did she kill him? [01:21:20] Speaker B: I thought she killed him in that. [01:21:22] Speaker A: No, he said he's going to get her. He didn't. She didn't kill that man. Oh, no. [01:21:27] Speaker B: Oh, he's coming back. [01:21:28] Speaker A: He's coming back. [01:21:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Especially now that she's queen. He's definitely going to like Challenger. Yeah, he did. No, he walked away from that. Not unscathed, but he walked away from it. [01:21:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:39] Speaker A: Okay. I think that we'll see that brother and sister again. The. The little boy who was the big brother of the little girl. We're going to see them again. I think they'll remember how kind DM was to them. So that'll come back. I need to understand. What was his name? Vince. The head of the father of the Guardians. Something's weird about that because he was outside of Healing center for sure. [01:22:04] Speaker B: For sure. Like, maybe he knows. I don't know. I don't trust him. [01:22:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't trust him either. Something in the milk ain't clean. [01:22:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And they call him Father. It's weird. [01:22:13] Speaker A: It's weird. I don't know. Yeah. There's so many. So many good things I have to say that like, not. I didn't spoil anything for myself, but I did go look at fan art for Luther and all the girls were like doing these videos, you know, you guys are so creative on Tik Tok. I don't know how you do it. I have lost. I have lost. I'm not no longer of that age where I can quickly pick up things and know how to do things anymore on the Internet. I used to. You know, when you're young, you just used to know how to do all that. I was coding on MySpace like I was working for damn Microsoft, you know what I mean? Like, I could code and now I wouldn't even know the first thing about, like doing a split screen on Tik Tok. But anyway, I don't know what a carousel was. We won't talk about it on Instagram. But anyway, Top of Funnel. [01:23:00] Speaker B: Yeah. No, seriously. [01:23:02] Speaker A: But I saw a bunch of things that, like, alluded to things that Luther says in later books. And I was like, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be tucked in. [01:23:10] Speaker B: Oh, I love it. I love him. [01:23:13] Speaker A: So next time we'll do. We'll do. Well, depending on some of the smutty words that are said in that book, we'll do another game of mash. I'll be My turn. [01:23:20] Speaker B: Oh, for sure, for sure. Yeah, It'll be great. I mean, I'll have to learn how to do it and then I can. Yeah, yeah. [01:23:26] Speaker A: It's kind of like a carousel. [01:23:28] Speaker B: It kind of is. Really? What is. [01:23:30] Speaker A: No, it's not. [01:23:31] Speaker B: No, I'm just kidding. Okay. [01:23:35] Speaker A: This is it. I mean, this is. This feels good to me. [01:23:38] Speaker B: This. [01:23:38] Speaker A: Yeah, this is great. [01:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Okay. [01:23:40] Speaker B: Listening. [01:23:41] Speaker A: Yes. Thank you for joining. We will be back in a couple weeks with our next read and we can't wait to have you all join us again. If you're. And I want to know we've not been putting this all call out there. If you are feeling the vibe, rate and subscribe. [01:23:56] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. [01:23:57] Speaker A: You like how I came up with that? [01:23:58] Speaker B: I do love that. Yeah. It was very creative. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:24:04] Speaker B: One thing I did, one thing we haven't talked about is like, none of these opinions or statements are. Have any relation to our job. [01:24:15] Speaker A: No, no. They. 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[01:25:08] Speaker A: When Trump's out of office. [01:25:09] Speaker B: Oh, thousand days. [01:25:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it's something like that. I'm counting down to the seconds. [01:25:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I know it's rough. [01:25:18] Speaker A: Every day offers a fresh hell. Anyway, thank you so much for joining us. And like we said, if you're feeling the vibe, rate and subscribe. [01:25:26] Speaker B: And subscribe. Rate us a five. [01:25:27] Speaker A: Yeah, five reviews go a very long line. [01:25:30] Speaker B: Seriously. [01:25:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:32] Speaker A: All right, well, we love you all and thank you so much and we'll see you soon. [01:25:35] Speaker B: Thank you. Bye.